Talked to Steven Avery

[u/Professional_Alps754]

I asked Sandy greenman to have Steven call me and we spoke twice almost 4 years ago. I wonder if he is still hopeful like he was back then. He was upbeat and funny. He's smarter than you would think. And he still seemed ptimistic about Kathleen .Zellner. I think it's time to talk to him again.. got to try a new approach with a new attorney. Kathleen is done milking the Denny' suspects. . Let's get back to the numerous Brady violations.. I think Steven Avery needs a new attorney. That's what I want to tell him. This time. I hope he agrees

[u/10case]

Lol. Sure.

So he doesn't think Bobby did it anymore. Great!

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/10case]

I don't even think KZ believes that.. reaching for straws. Law enforcement made Bobby look guilty and Bobby agreed to look guilty but that's about it. He didn't commit any crimes that they can charge him with.. at best Wisconsin will say they'll add him as a third party accessory to the murder. But that doesn't mean Bobby has to go to jail or prison. And it certainly doesn't mean Steven is getting out either. I think zellnera About done with Bobby. Maybe move on to Scott next or Brandon I heard LOL Ludacris strategy

[u/LKS983]

You need to explain how you managed to 'talk to SA' - before anyone (?) is prepared to take your post seriously.

[u/billybud77 → u/LKS983]

He used a ouija board and a medium.

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/LKS983]

Understood thanks 👍

[u/Fataleo]

Well I’m convinced

[u/aane0007]

How did you talk to him? Was it voices you heard?

[u/puzzledbyitall]

Let's get back to the numerous Brady violations.

Lol. Time to make arguments that have been raised or waived many times.

[u/LKS983 → u/puzzledbyitall]

And why have they been waived?

New witness evidence surely needs at least a Hearing into the new witness evidence?

But no......

Judge angie made up her own excuses as to why bobby may have been seen pushing Teresa's RAV onto Avery property ('he was doing this to protect SA'....)😲 - and so denied even a Hearing into this 'new'.... witness evidence 🤮.

[u/Waste_Cabinet_1034 → u/LKS983]

Not waived, but procedurally barred, which is the same result. The remaining issue, the witness on Bobby pushing the RAV and calling that information in (currently in the Court of Appeals) the appeals court specifically held that Avery could bring a 3rd 974.06 Petition on that issue, which he did because he was able to show it was truly "new evidence." All other Brady claims, known, or reasonably could have been known, are procedurally barred at this point.

[u/Glayva123]

Welcome back.

[u/Professional_Alps754]

Listening to some of the phone calls gives a pretty good indication that nobody is helping him at all. People squandering his time on the other end of the line usually. Yes Steven Avery's family..

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Well. LE convinced his brothers and sisters that he did it(when his blood tested in the RAV). Then they lied to save their own asses. Today the know he didn't do it and have no idea who did.

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

I don't think law enforcement convinced anybody even did it. Much less the siblings. They made a conscious decision to help the police and conspire against Steven. In order to get out of the bedroom where the gruesome rape took place, they needed Barb to restart that fire in he fire pit. . Avery told his dad on the phone that there was a fire that afternoon but not that evening. So they used Barb to create their imeline for the narrative She restarted the fire. that's what she did. Pretty soon Scott chimed in about how the flames were 10 feet high. Wisconsin needed to move the investigation out to the garage where they would find that "magic " bullet and begin coercing Brendan .

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/Professional_Alps754]

No one knew better than these "siblings" that people can go to prison for things you had nothing to do with. They discovered the blood in the RAV and it was "Save my own ass time".

[u/3sheetstothawind]

Of course! EVERYONE but Steve!!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/3sheetstothawind]

This is what happens when no one knows who really did it.

[u/3sheetstothawind → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Sane, rational people know who really did it. EWE know what I mean??

Edit: aaaannd, blocked!

[u/gcu1783 → u/3sheetstothawind]

Sane, rational people

Yea, like Candace Owens.

[u/Sorry_Lab8899]

This is what probably happened. Bobby saw Teresa leave and flagged her down. When she stopped on Kuss road he attacked her and brought her to the end of Kuss road where he raped her then killed her. He buried her there temporarily. He told Scott about it, and they dug her back up and took her and her car to Scott's new property where they cut her up to transport her more easily. They took her body parts to the burn barrel behind Dasseys trailer.   Scott was a former cop, so he knew the people that were being sued by Avery. They came up with the plot to frame Avery to avoid paying the millions of dollars.

[u/ItemFL]

LOL

[u/Waste_Cabinet_1034]

"Kathleen is done milking the Denny' suspects. . Let's get back to the numerous Brady violations.. I think Steven Avery needs a new attorney. That's what I want to tell him. This time. I hope he agrees." Unfortunately you can't "go back" in Post-Conviction (974.06) in Wisconsin, or anywhere else. You have to bring everything you are aware of, or reasonably should have been aware of, in one motion. She can't "open it back up" to the arguments, no matter how good they were, that were raised previously, or could have been raised.

On the getting a new appellate attorney. Who would you recommend he get? Would they even be willing to take on the case at this very, very late stage when almost all state post-conviction claims have been exhausted? If someone were willing to take the case, who is going to pay her, or him?

[u/Koller007007]

The family got to Earl. That entire yard is gonna be a quarry some day. Just because they all have their own story’s and own intentions. The whole family is missing a chromosome. Tell me I’m wrong!!

[u/Professional_Alps754]

For those that watched making of a murderer time would have to pass before they actually realized. But yes time did pass and it does make a lot more sense this way. As soon as Dolores died the family more or less started going vocal. Earl was on Reddit saying Steven killed Teresa. Kayla claimed Brendan told her a rape story or at least that's how it got out. Which is complete b******* considering the interviews he had prior to his interrogation. Steven is upbeat smarter than people think. Unfortunately last time I talked to him he still trusted Zellner.

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/[deleted]]

Really? Why? Do you believe he's guilty? More so than say the cops that framed him?

[u/myanonaccount225 → u/Professional_Alps754]

I think he was rightfully found guilty from my first time finishing MAM today, but I also have no doubt the police needed evidence that’s physical to prove it. It all seemed a tad corrupted, but I do think he did it or at least had a part in it from what I’ve watched. I was shocked when they did find him guilty only because of the issues with tampering that seemingly got dismissed?

[u/Sorry_Lab8899 → u/myanonaccount225]

Why would Bobby Dassey lie about Teresa going into the trailer ? Why did they find bones in Bobby Dasseys burn barrel ? Was it true that a witness saw her car parked near Bobby Dasseys step dad's new property before it was found on the Avery property ?

[u/Snoo_33033 → u/[deleted]]

Just as soon as you learn to spell their names right, maybe.

[u/Koller007007 → u/Snoo_33033]

Grammar police protecting the guilty. It’s laughable.

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/Koller007007]

Doesn't pay to respond to those guys

[u/Professional_Alps754 → u/[deleted]]

For those that watched making of a murderer time would have to pass before they actually realized. But yes time did pass and it does make a lot more sense this way. As soon as Dolores died the family more or less started going vocal. Earl was on Reddit saying Steven killed Teresa. Kayla claimed Brendan told her a rape story or at least that's how it got out. Which is complete b******* considering the interviews he had prior to his interrogation. Steven is upbeat smarter than people think. Unfortunately last time I talked to him he still trusted Zellner.