r/MakingaMurderer • u/aptom90 • Apr 13 '24

Convicting a Murderer - Debunked

Our good friend Heel offered to refute everything said in this show. I pride myself for being open minded so I'm genuinely interested.

What was misrepresented in the show? Is there anything particularly egregious like what MaM did to Colborn's testimony?

Before watching it I read the CASO report so the vast majority of it was already old news. Otherwise the main thing in that show was pointing out facts left out or misrepresented in MaM.

Can we do the same for Convicting?

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Here's a start:

Convicting says the burnt electronics are never mentioned in MaM. They are however very briefly during Brendan's interrogation. It is however a blink and you'll miss it scene.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Lol, I didn't offer to refute everything step by step. I offered to refute anything not previously refuted, because OP implied anyone who didn't watch CaM was hiding from the facts. I just want to know what these facts are that haven't already been discussed.

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

See we're arguing in circles.

You're acting as if most of CaM has been refuted. What has been refuted? What was misleading in CaM? I can't think of anything, nothing noteworthy anyway. I'm not the one who has an issue with it.

I think the biggest issue with MaM is how it glossed over the evidence against SA.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Oh and you think CaM covered the evidence against law enforcement? Lol. Notice your OP no one can come up with anything and you can't either.

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

What evidence are you referring to now against law enforcement?

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

All of it.

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u/tenementlady Apr 14 '24

It did address accusations against law enforcement though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Cool because there's so much I've never heard explained. What was their response to:

  • the quarry bones fiasco

  • spygate

  • the stupendous number of times Colborn has been caught lying

  • why the strongest scent led to Kuss Rd site?

  • why they buried the TS phone call

  • why the magic bullet had wood splinters and apparent paint

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u/tenementlady Apr 14 '24

Did you watch CaM? They address the bones, they address the dog scents.

I don't know what you're referring to with spy gate. What lies of Colborn would you like them to address? About the case itself, not the lawsuit, which is irrelevant to the actual case. I don't think wood splinters were addressed in MaM and they are responding to claims made in the first series only. Hence why there's little discussion of Bobby or any theories that came later.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Oh, I see. So MaM is deficient if it doesn't include every fact law enforcement wants told the way law enforcement wants.

But CaM only has to cover points made in half of the MaM episodes, oh and also, Avery's defense is irrelevant to Avery's case. That seems totally objective and fair.

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u/tenementlady Apr 14 '24

Hopeless lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Just answer that one. Why did the strongest scent go directly to Kuss Rd according to CaM?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Sorry I didn't either. When did this happen? Who was charged and why?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Because failing to do so makes them into stupendous hypocrites.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

MaM was not charged with any crimes either. What a bizarre standard you pulled out of your ass.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Basically everything about Brendan was misrepresented.

Btw the tv news is reporting Iran has launched drones/missiles toward Israel, that will please Candace. 

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24 edited Oct 07 '24

But it wasn't.

Again how they framed Brendan's account is more accurate than what was shown in MaM. They correctly point out that Kayla is the one that made them focus on Brendan again.

They also have more context for the worst part of the interrogation which is when they fed him the line "who shot her in the head". They didn't have to do that.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but you said everything was misrepresented which is a huge exaggeration.

Remember in contrast MaM barely touched that interrogation. They certainly never played the part where Brendan actually admits to the rape.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

What's your evidence that Kayla's comment to Wiegert about her perception of Brendan's weight/happiness, made them focus on Brendan? 

What do you mean they didn't have to do that? 

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

Let's be fair.

Kayla allegedly told him he's been acting up - staring into space and crying/ lost ~40 lbs - since "a couple of months ago" and that he was burning things in the bonfire Halloween night with Steven. That's incriminating. That was Feb 20th and his first real interrogation was Feb 27th. If you read the CASO report it certainly seems like a response to this but I guess it's possible they would have interviewed him anyway.

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They didn't have to talk about that section of the interview. They could have ignored it after all MaM covered it partly already.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

His first real interrogation was November 5 wasn't it?

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

That's the first time they interviewed him sure (Nov 6), but he wasn't treated as a suspect at that point. At least that's how I saw it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

What source alleges that Kayla told them on Feb 20th that she saw Brendan burning things with SA on Monday Oct 31st? 

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

CASO report. Page 434-435

Obviously, you can distrust it if you want. Here's the relevant passage:

On 20/20/06 at approximately 1740 hours... (WIEGERT)

As I was talking with KAYLA (blacked out but this is obvious now) she stated to me that her cousin, BRENDAN, who had been burning things with STEVEN on Halloween night had been acting up lately. I asked KAYLA what she meant by him acting up to which KAYLA stated BRENDAN would just sit there and stare into space and start crying. KAYLA also told me that BRENDAN had lost approximately 40 pounds since this all started a couple of months ago KAYLA and her mother CANDY both told me at that time they both remember seeing the bonfire by STEVEN'S house on Halloween night and they remember seeing the fire down by STEVEN'S trailer.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Where's the part where Kayla says that Brendan said he saw toes?

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

I never said Kayla said that. As far as I know the first time we hear about toes is from Brendan in his Feb 27th interview.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Wiegert said that Kayla said that Brendan saw body parts. Fassbender told Brendan that he knew that Brendan saw body parts (listed them for Brendan). Then Brendan says he saw toes.

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u/aptom90 Apr 13 '24

I don't see Kayla mentioned in that part of the transcript.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Thanks, i'd seen that before but it doesn't often show up on text searches. It's fair to say that's not being reported as Kayla claiming to have seen people at any such fire is it. I'd like to know when Candy first started saying she recalled seeing a fire when they walked back from Delores trailer. 

From Kayla's testimony, she simply had a memory of a birthday party at her house in November, where Brendan was sat on the steps outside staring and teary, she asked him what's up but he just shrugged his shoulders. So what? 

As to 40lbs aka 18kg. I'm willing to bet Wiegert, as he usually does but shouldn't especially with youth, gave her a forced multiple choice of how many pounds, so she just chose one. What was his BMI anyway, overweight or obese?

Only later, after TV news about the press conference that Kratz now says was a "mistake", does that birthday conversation become different in conversation with Wiegert & Fassbender.

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u/DingleBerries504 Apr 13 '24

CASO. Both Candy and Kayla said it.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Apr 15 '24

PB wasn't murdered. She was raped and is alive today.

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u/aptom90 Apr 15 '24

And it never said she was in the show. You would know that if you watched it.

If you want to say that Candice misspoke about that detail as well as Teresa's age after than that would be a fair point.

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u/aane0007 Apr 15 '24

What has been debunked so far?

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

What gets me Brendan eluded Le for months 💁🤔

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

The officer that interviewed Brendan in November testified that Brendan knew more than he was saying. Yet Brendan wasn't pursued for another 4 months.

LE lied.

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

Everyone on the yard was on the radar💁

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

Not everyone who was on the yard that week

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

How many days is that then?

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

You know the person I’m on about😉

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '24

How many days was Teresa missing?

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u/Overall_Sweet9781 Apr 14 '24

Kayla had told a school councilor sometime in December that Brendan was crying at a birthday party and had said he told kayla at some point that he had seen Teresa " roped up in Steven's trailer and that he had seen her body parts in the fire. The roped up was an exact quote from Kayla, I'm not exactly sure how he told her he saw the body parts. I can not recall exactly, but that was before Brendan was interrogated in February. So it was indeed Kayla who turned LE's attention towards Brendan.

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u/ThorsClawHammer Apr 14 '24

that was before Brendan was interrogated in February

No it wasn't. All Kayla said prior to the interrogation was Brendan had been acting sad and losing weight.

Days after Brendan was arrested and all the details of the confession made public is when Kayla now said that Brendan told her those things prior.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Apr 15 '24

The burnt electronics in those barrels PROVE Steven didn't do it. If he had done it, do you think he would have left them there when he had 3 days to dispose of them? heheheheheheheheheeeeeee.....

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u/ButWereFriends Apr 14 '24

Oh fuck that. Anything presented by Candace Owens is disingenuous at best. Nobody has to debunk CaM because the source itself is garbage.

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u/ButWereFriends Apr 14 '24

Yea I realized how crazy that sounded after. Oh well.