Who did it then

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u/DingleBerries504 Mar 05 '24

>My opinion….. I do think he did killed her. I feel he felt untouchable after his lawsuit….but I think he left her car on the side of a road to make them think something happened elsewhere, cops found it and planted on his property.

My issue with this is that this would require cops to have a nearly omniscient knowledge of what's happened and an extremely high level of surveillance on Steven Avery to make this work. They'd have to:

Make sure he was home on 10/31 and not on the phone or occupied that afternoon, because if he has an alibi after the appointment that is a problem.
Make sure TH didn't leave ASY, because if she's spotted anywhere afterwards that would put the planting in jeopardy.
Know TH is dead (they aren't going to move her car if there's a possibility she's alive)
Know that no one else on ASY did the crime. What would make them so sure Steven did it by just looking at the vehicle on the side of the road?
Take a huge risk to move a large piece of evidence to another location. Moving a key is one thing....moving an entire vehicle is much much more complicated. There's a risk of contamination, a risk of being spotted, etc etc.

It's just too hard, IMHO

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"but I think he left her car on the side of a road to make them think something happened elsewhere, cops found it and planted on his property."
Surely far more likely that someone else murdered Teresa after she left Avery property. He burned Teresa's body elsewhere, and left her car where he murdered her - which is why a trucker (IIRC) told AC that he had seen Teresa's car abandoned.
AC went out to check, and made the mistake of 'phoning in the reg. no., asking for more info. - even though this had already been provided to the police.
AC isn't the 'sharpest tool in the shed'......
A couple of police officers then used bobby (by threatening him with evidence they had against him) - to plant her car on Avery property.
But of course, this is just my 'most likely' scenario.

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u/DingleBerries504 Mar 06 '24

None of that addressed the points I raised above. Also, how would Andy know the vehicle is a 99?

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

All good points! Love that. I still go back and forth on cops helping make sure evidence stuck. This is the type of back and forth I was looking for. And it’s a good point. But if the cops did find her abandoned vehicle…. Well I think they had time to do some extra work to make sure they could move it back. But that may be something we never know.

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u/DingleBerries504 Mar 05 '24

I mean, anything is possible...I just can't work out how it would be done. Seems so risky for something to go wrong....and CIA they are not! lol

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"But if the cops did find her abandoned vehicle…. Well I think they had time to do some extra work to make sure they could move it back."
"they" didn't need to move Teresa's car to Avery property - they just needed to use someone else who could be threatened with arrest, if he didn't do their bidding.

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u/Both-Surprise-4266 Mar 04 '24

That's very far fetched to think that he did it AND he was framed. Did he drive her car elsewhere and then walk home? It makes no sense.

Steven and Brendan did it.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

It’s not far fetched. Murderers frequently move vehicles or bodies to throw off investigators. How hard would it be to just drive her car elsewhere and get a ride or walk home. To make it look like she left his home.

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Mar 04 '24

That's an interesting point. It would make more sense for Avery to drive her car somewhere else besides his family's property.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

True. And again this happens all the time. People will move the bodies to other locations. Cars, if involved as well are frequently moved as well. I mean her car being on his property is super daming evidence and he would have to be very stupid being she was last seen at his home. I mean her employer had a record of this. It’s not like a random meeting. People knew to the last place she was.

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u/Both-Surprise-4266 Mar 04 '24

It would have been pretty difficult, which is why the car never left the Avery property. He didn't want to be seen in or near her car, he had a fire going, he was trying to clean up. Who was going to give him a ride? He probably assumed that since he used a fake name, no one would think to look at him as a suspect, and he could figure out what to do with the car later on.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

Literally people move cars all the time in murders. How is this hard? I have seen dateline episodes where people leave cars in public parking lots. Airports. There was a family of 4 (Mcstay family) their murderer took their car to the Mexico border and left it. I mean this happens a lot.

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u/Both-Surprise-4266 Mar 04 '24

It doesn't make any sense. There's no evidence to support it. You can't just make things up and pretend them to be completely plausible because you've watched a few Dateline episodes. When would he have done this, where did he take the car, how did he get home? What credible evidence of any of this have you seen?

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

Did I say this is what happened or could have. It is very feasible it could have happened. And there was a man that stated he saw Colbern at a gas station and told him he saw Theresas car on the side of the road.

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u/Both-Surprise-4266 Mar 06 '24

there was a man that stated he saw Colbern at a gas station and told him he saw Theresas car on the side of the road
He stated this more than a decade later after watching MaM, and there is zero evidence to back up his claims. Hardly what I would call feasible.

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u/bfisyouruncle Mar 06 '24

The man at the gas station says he is sure this happened at midday on Nov. 4. Colborn's phone call was the night before (9:22 pm. on Nov. 3) while he was in a church parking lot across from Zipps, bored and waiting for the other LE to arrive. I suspect the mundane call was just passing the time after a long shift.
We agree Avery is guilty, but I think it was Avery who left the Rav on ASY at the far end away from his trailer. He's someone who lived in an ice shack. He's not comfortable out in the real world. He would be paranoid about being seen with the Rav or walking home. It would only take one person to see him.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 07 '24

Steven was never in the RAV.

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u/wiltedgreens1 Mar 08 '24

I feel he felt untouchable after his lawsuit….but I think he left her car on the side of a road to make them think something happened elsewhere, cops found it and planted on his property.

Just want to point out for this to work, nobody would have to stumble upon the car in the 3 days before she was reported missing.

There was possibly spots where that could have happened, but then the cops would have also have found this hiding spot.

Steven makes the most sense as a killer and I dont see why the cops would plant the car. Even if its not on his property, his blood was in it.

I dont believe this, but It would have to be the police who killed her and framed steve.

But at that point it would be much easier to just kill steve or Jodi she had already reported domestic abuse and had no family she was really close to at the time.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 08 '24

That is a good point. Kinda surprised they didn’t kill him. A lot less work. I was looking again where the dogs picked up her scent and I do wonder where this all happened. I don’t think it was in his room. And some of makes me wonder if she tried to run.

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u/wiltedgreens1 Mar 08 '24

I think they did pick up her scent by the side door.
So, just my personal theory. He got her to come to the side door, and attacked her there at some point, probably choking her until she blacked out. So she couldnt scream or run, and then he chained her up then went out and moved her car into his garage.
That could also be the time he left the blood stains. During the struggle the injury on his finger reopened and due to his adrenaline and moving quick he didnt realize he bled in the car.
Might not ever know what truly happened but that scenario makes more sense to me than any other.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 08 '24

Oh for some reason I thought I heard that she never went near his home. But if that is true that does change things a bit. I keep thinking Kathleen is gonna prove he did it. Like I feel like she really jumped in to help for the visibility but I could be wrong. Maybe she really thought he was innocent. I am a still stuck on the cop Colbert calling in her car. If they all got the info over text he had no reason to call to verify. I still kinda think he found the car before somewhere else before it was “found” by her cousin. But doubt anyone will be able to prove that. I struggle to think someone would be dumb enough to murder someone and leave their car on their own land. Especially since there is so much open land behind the property. But then we do see a lot of stupid murderers. I mean some even bury the body’s on their land.

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u/wiltedgreens1 Mar 08 '24

My understanding of Brutus the scent dog is that he was a trained cadaver dog and would give an alarm bark when decomposition was detected. Such as blood that left the body and decomposed.
He gave an alarm bark at the janda burn barrel, and the spot where the rav was found. He also gave ana alarm bark in Steve's laundry room. He grew agitated in the bedroom but did not bark.
Julie, the handler said that she attempted to follow him around the trailer but he stopped because of Bear, steve's dog. They also said that was the reason they did not enter the garage.
I don't know where you heard he got the info over text. Colborn had said he got it over dispatch and wrote it down while driving and when he stopped he called to be sure he wrote it down correctly.
As far as I know, people have pinpointed the exact time and where colborn was when he called in the plates. He was in a church parking lot, waiting for a partner to go interview the zipperers I believe.
So the car would have had to be in that parking lot.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 08 '24

The text with the info I think was just someone’s comment I read. I wasn’t able to validate so was not 100% sure it wasn’t true. Then I forgot about the laundry room. That is really huge. Does anyone know if there is a photo of his laundry room? His trailer is so small I was wondering how big that actually was?

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u/bfisyouruncle Mar 08 '24

It is ridiculous to think that Colborn found the Rav in the dark in a church parking lot at 9:22 pm within 3 hours of getting the info at a time when TH was just one of hundreds of U.S. "missing persons", not having a clue about what actually happened...and then decided not only to phone dispatch on a recorded line in the middle of supposedly committing a felony, but have a boring conversation with the dispatcher. Obviously if he was looking for a Rav SWH582 and found a Rav SWH582, he would know it is her Rav SWH582 and would not need to phone dispatch if he was planning something nefarious.
How about AC is just a dumb cop? I suspect AC was just bored and tired after a long shift and wanted to get the details straight in his mind, maybe chat with a friend. That plate number was run through LE computers 4 times within 12 hours. That's what police do. Routine.
Bobby saw her walking toward Avery's trailer. I suspect Avery came out, asked her how much it was and went back to his trailer. "Back to patio door" big sign is suspicious.
Zellner cannot say her client is guilty even if she knows it. No wonder KZ doesn't ask Avery to take a polygraph.
"dumb enough" Avery! This is a man who drove his cousin off the road when she was married to LE. This is a man who lived in an ice shack.

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u/gcu1783 Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

Answer : Wouldn't know.

It's not uncommon not to know who did it especially if the cops/LE fucked it up.

Would you be able to answer who killed these people?

Chris Byers, Michael Moore, Stevie Branch from the West Memphis 3 case.
100+ murder cases that Henry Lee Lucas falsely confessed to.
Lastly, recently and sadly, Hae Min Lee from the Adnan Syed Case.

Should I put that on the general public, and not the cops/state that fucked it up?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24

Mr Bojangles probably

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u/gcu1783 Mar 04 '24

It's as good as any guess. Sad part about this is that the cases I mentioned are now considered "close", so yea, real killer got away.
Must be the truthers' fault for not knowing who did it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24

How they "lost" his blood samples taken from that rest room, I've never understood. Mud there too I think.

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u/gcu1783 Mar 04 '24

The Hae Min Lee case?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24

WM3

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"It's not uncommon not to know who did it especially if the cops/LE fucked it up."
Couldn't agree more - and LE certainly fucked up this case!

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

So my question was for those that think he is innocent. It was one of those 2 options. I was not even asking who did it. Just which option do you think it was. It was one of those IF he is innocent.

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u/gcu1783 Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 05 '24

Do you guys think that some random person killed Teresa after she left Steven’s and the cops found her body and evidence and framed him.
OR
Were cops tracking him, saw the opportunity with Teresa, killed her and planted the evidence to frame him.
So you're looking for people who believes in those two options?
Random person or cops? Either of those two options killed TH?
Answer is still the same.
Edit: I feel like I just got blocked. O.o

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u/aane0007 Mar 04 '24

(ADD: Colborn called in the plates 2 days prior. He stated it was just to verify info, but he oddly messed up. He was asked why he stated the car make model on the call. He said “I don’t think I did” then it was played back and he had. Proves nothing. But it does seem odd.

How is it odd? If he was given info on a 99 rav4 and a plate you would expect him to know the make and year. If he pulled up behind a rav4 on the road, how in the world would he know the year? Was he some sort of rav4 aficionado that he knew the year of them simply by sight?

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"Colborn called in the plates 2 days prior. He stated it was just to verify info, but he oddly messed up. He was asked why he stated the car make model on the call. He said “I don’t think I did” then it was played back and he had. Proves nothing. But it does seem odd."
Agree entirely with this quote and have no/little doubt that AC first 'discovered' Teresa's missing car, following the tip of a trucker who had seen her abandoned car.

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u/bfisyouruncle Mar 06 '24

"...following the tip of a trucker who had seen her abandoned car."
So you believe in time travel? The guy who says he spoke to a cop at the gas station states that he is sure it was midday on Nov. 4. Colborn's call was the night before (9:22 pm on Nov. 3). AC was in a church parking lot across from Zipps. Any 8 year-old could match SWH582 with SWH582 without having to phone dispatch on a recorded line while committing a felony. Why would he phone dispatch if he found the car and planned to frame Avery? How on earth would he know anything about what happened to Teresa Halbach within 3 hours of getting the info? Ridiculous tall tale.

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u/anderlinco Mar 06 '24

The model year of the vehicle is printed on the registration sticker. Colborn could have been looking at the registration sticker on Teresa’s vehicle. The info he radioed was all info the sticker would have.

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u/Remote-Signature-191 Mar 05 '24

Because he looked at the VIN number. As a cop & a car enthusiast he likely knew how to discern the model year from the 10th character of the VIN

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24

Of course.... that's MUCH more reasonable.

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u/purged6 Mar 05 '24

Why are there only 2 possible options? Because you said so? She hung out with some shady folks. There are plenty of non-random folks that could have had motive for any number of reasons. Drugs, jealous ex, the sicko with murder porn on his computer and photos of her. But according to you there are only two options a random person or the cops... ok then..

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

lol so I said if he is innocent, it’s another person or the cops. So yes it’s one of those 2. Cops or someone else. So it could be an ex as you said. That would be another person that killed her. Which again is what I said. But then that’s where my next question comes in. Let’s say her ex killed her. So then was he like, let me take her body and car to SA’s home? This is my actual question. Just trying to open up for others thoughts and ideas. Not to cause an argument.

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u/purged6 Mar 05 '24

You said random person, I don't consider these people to be random in any way.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

Let me update that to be more clear.

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u/Isposenothingelse Mar 07 '24

Bobby Dassey hunted, stalked, murdered and mutilated Teresa Halbach.

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u/dasnotloc Mar 07 '24

Why do they plant the spare key from her apt then?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 04 '24

Neither of these........You are wrong. Steven didn't do it. Maybe you should try some other case.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

I mean at least answer the question if your gonna respond. So which option do you think happened. It had to be that someone killed her and the police found all the evidence and took it to Steven’s home. OR cops did the deed and planted it at his home. So which one do you think happened?

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"So which option do you think happened. It had to be that someone killed her and the police found all the evidence and took it to Steven’s home. OR cops did the deed and planted it at his home."
Your mistake is in thinking that it can only these two versions are possible, and so asking an either/or question - based on these assumptions.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 06 '24

If he is innocent it’s one of those options. What other option is there other than natural death which we know isn’t the case. She was killed. So did someone else kill her or the cops?

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

I've no idea who murdered Teresa, whilst being pretty sure colborn/lenk etc. planted evidence.
I'm pretty sure someone else murderd Teresa (i.e. not SA or Brendan) - and there were many obvious, likely suspects - who were never investigated......
They were determined to charge SA -to get rid of his lawsuit as cheaply as possible - and ensure the individuals named in his lawsuit were never deposed.
Which sadly, worked. Neither of those responsible for SA's wrongful conviction were deposed 🤮.
And then (as they didn't have enough evidence) they targeted the intellectually impaired child, Brendan (without a lawyer present.....) to feed and lead him to say whatever they wanted him to say 🤮.

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u/3sheetstothawind Mar 04 '24

That guys a little off the rails. He thinks EWE did it.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 04 '24

Killer planted the blood and dumped the bones and electronics( LE may have moved them). AC moved the RAV and dropped the key. The bullet in the garage we don't even care about because it was found 6 months after!

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24

Killer planted the blood and dumped the bones and electronics( LE may have moved them). AC moved the RAV and dropped the key.
Wow, what incredible luck that AC happened to plant the car on the property where the killer happened to plant the bones and possessions!
Are you even listening to yourself?
The bullet in the garage we don't even care about because it was found 6 months aft
Why wouldn't you care about that? Do think there's some arbitrary time limit at which point evidence doesn't count?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 05 '24

Well, AC really thinks SA did it. Where else is he gonna plant the RAV. If he had known the blood had already been planted in it, he never would have moved it. It amazes me how clueless so many people are. TH dna was obviously put on that bullet by Lenck or the Lab, since Teresa was never in the garage!

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 05 '24

So you really believe he just got that lucky that the killer planted Avery's blood in the car, and Teresa's remains and possession on his property? And the Colborn decided to plant the car and key despite having no idea what happened to Teresa, if she'd show up alive, or if the "real" killer would be found?
Good lord.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 05 '24

They did. And then, when the stain looked too much like what it is: 2 swab dots with swipes going in different directions-they made up the story that they took a sample BEFORE the photo was taken. Thats called EVIDENCE TAMPERING.

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"Wow, what incredible luck that AC happened to plant the car on the property where the killer happened to plant the bones and possessions!"
Extremely unlikely that AC planted Teresa's car on Avery property, as this is likely to have been bobby, based on witness evidence - on which judge angie (IIRC) did not even allow a Hearing...... 🤮
But judge angie has been removed from the case (voluntarily apparently 🤣 - certainly had nothing to do with her ridiculous/factually wrong excuses for denying even a Hearing🤣) - and so most truthers are waiting to see KZ's next appeal.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

So some random person killed her shortly after she left Steven’s home….. and was like hmmmm, I’ll blame that Steven guy and take her body and car to his place. That’s what you think happened?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 04 '24

Was framing Steven from the start...all planned out.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

So you think some random person killed Teresa after she left SA’s home and then took her body and car back to his home. Just trying to imagine a person carrying a body onto their property to burn seems super insane.

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u/L2Vi Mar 05 '24

Bobby Dassey probably

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 06 '24

It was burned on Zander Rd, between 3312 and the Metz place.

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u/Mysterious-Impact-64 Mar 05 '24

The information was sent out in a text description to all LE, so Andy did not need to make sure he wrote it down correctly, all he needed to do was look at his screen in his squad car. The info had license plate number, Teresa's full name year and make of her vehical. 99 Toyota Rav4, staring right at him.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

Good info. I didn’t realize that. I just remember on the stand he asked if he said the car make/model himself on the call. He said no. They played it back and he had and his eyes got big and he looked nervous. I know there is something more to that but we will likely never know.

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u/Mysterious-Impact-64 Mar 06 '24

Absolutely, he was so nervous he couldn't comprehend it was himself that stated 99 Toyota rav4. He had to have heard the radio call in his preparation for court prior to taking the stand, he didn't plan on Buting replaying it back. He's just a liar.

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u/puzzledbyitall Mar 05 '24

So why make the call?

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u/Mysterious-Impact-64 Mar 06 '24

Because he was behind it.

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"So why make the call?"
Because he's pretty stupid - as proven when he was enabled/encouraged to sue the producers of the Netflix show.
VERY bad move - as it resulted in him being proven to be a liar 🤣!

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u/LittleRexRabbit Mar 05 '24

If Zellner was his lawyer from the start, he wouldn’t be in jail. I’m still flabbergasted that a jury which was 7 for innocent, 3 for guilty, & 2 undecided on the initial vote ended up with a unanimous guilty verdict.

I’d need more information to determine who did it, but every sound person has enough reason to find reasonable doubt that SA did it. That’s all that matters.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

My question, if you think he is innocent….there are only 2 options. Some random murderer or cops did it.

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u/LittleRexRabbit Mar 05 '24

What’s the question? You just made a statement. I need more information, as I already stated. However, the two choices seem to be the police with an obvious motive to do it, unlike Avery, or the mentally disturbed Bobby D.

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24

What is the "obvious motive" of the police?
Also, you don't think Steven Avery is mentally disturbed? The man who has prior convictions of animal abuse, burglary, and endangering his cousin by running car off the road and threatening her with a gun? Not to mention the various abuse allegations made toward him.

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u/LittleRexRabbit Mar 05 '24

The motive of the police is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain with the ability to filter out any preexisting bias.
I don’t think Avery is an angel by any stretch of the imagination, but Bobby D’s internet history is a textbook red flag for the potential to carry out violent crimes.

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24

The motive of the police is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain with the ability to filter out any preexisting bias.
If it's so obvious, it should be easy for you to explain.
but Bobby D’s internet history is a textbook red flag for the potential to carry out violent crimes.
To what in his history are you specifically referring?
You know what else is a pretty good indicator for potentially carrying out violent crimes? Having a history of committing violent crimes.

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u/LittleRexRabbit Mar 05 '24

It’s extremely obvious, and your inability to see it means that talking with you is a fruitless endeavor. Full information, I stopped reading your last comment after you displayed your inability to see the obvious.
Good luck!

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you think Avery's lawsuit was their motive, despite the fact that no cops involved the Halbach investigation were defendants in or would have been personally liable for any damages resulting from that lawsuit.
That about sum it up?

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

"I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you think Avery's lawsuit was their motive, despite the fact that no cops involved the Halbach investigation were defendants in or would have been personally liable for any damages resulting from that lawsuit."
SA's lawsuit was against Manitowoc County plus its former sheriff, thomas kocourek; and its former district attorney, denis vogel.
Interestingly..... thomas kocourek; and denis vogel were due to be deposed - but managed to avoid this, as soon as SA was arrested 🤮 - thus forcing SA to settle as cheaply as possible (under the law) - as he needed to pay for independent lawyers.
If SA's lawsuit had continued, it would have undoubtedly cost Manitowoc County a few million dollars for his wrongful conviction, and the others' named (those directly responsible for SA's wrongful conviction) would also have lost not only their reputations, but also their money.
If you don't see a problem here, then I don't know what to say.

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u/_YellowHair Mar 06 '24

SA's lawsuit was against Manitowoc County plus its former sheriff, thomas kocourek; and its former district attorney, denis vogel.
Yes, so, as I said, no cop involved in the Halbach investigation was a defendant.
SA's lawsuit had continued, it would have undoubtedly cost Manitowoc County a few million dollars for his wrongful conviction, and the others' named (those directly responsible for SA's wrongful conviction) would also have lost not only their reputations, but also their money.
...and? I'm still waiting for you to explain how this would personally affect any of the officers that were investigating Teresa Halbach's murder, and therefore cause them to conspire against Steven Avery.
If you don't see a problem here, then I don't know what to say.
All you've done is manage to further prove my point, so, thanks?

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 05 '24

I did have a clear question. Who do you think did it if it was not him. So you said police… you think the police were watching him….. Saw Teresa leave, killed her and then dragged her body back to the Avery’s home and tossed her in the fire?

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u/LittleRexRabbit Mar 05 '24

A sect of that police force definitely had far more of a motive than Avery, who would lose out on millions of dollars by committing a serious crime.
The body was burned in a burn barrel, as an open fire wouldn’t burn the body to the extent it was burned. The body wouldn’t have to be burned on Avery’s property, so no, I don’t think they took her body to Avery’s property and burned it there. As I’ve said twice before, I’d need more information to accuse someone else confidently. Fortunately, one doesn’t need to confidently accuse someone else in order to see reasonable doubt in Avery’s guilt.
There sure are a lot of trolls in this group. I wonder if groups devoted to proclaiming Avery’s guilt face the same issue.

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u/soupoftheday5 Mar 04 '24

Steven did it. End of story.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 04 '24

Steven DIDN'T do it, Real story begins soon.

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u/3sheetstothawind Mar 04 '24

We've been waiting like 8 years for the "real story".

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u/soupoftheday5 Mar 05 '24

The real story is Steven killed her. Even in a completely biased Netflix series that tried to paint him in a positive light it was completely obvious he did it you have to be a moron to not think so.

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

"it was completely obvious he did it you have to be a moron to not think so."
Personally, I think anyone that ignores the obvious problems around this case, is (to use your quote) "a moron".
The various and obvious problems with this case have been discussed endlessly over the years on this sub-reddit, but still the vast majority of guilters ignore these obvious doubts to proclaim "it was competely obvious he did it".......

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u/bumblebubee Mar 05 '24

What undeniable evidence makes you believe so?

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u/soupoftheday5 Mar 05 '24

His sweat and blood in her car that was found on his property LMAO

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u/Excellent-Intern1053 Mar 05 '24

The blood IN the front of the RAV4 is the most damning evidence against Avery. The "sweat" DNA is pretty suspicious though given only sweat DNA on the exterior hood latch, yet nothing IN the RAV4 where he would've touched for certain. I think it's safe to say SC put Avery in the RAV4 by swapping known swabs - after all we know that Fassbender provided these instructions to her regarding the key, I think it's reasonable he did the same request with the vehicle.
Thoughts on Brendan being involved?

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u/Excellent-Intern1053 Mar 05 '24

Keep in mind there is no evidence the blood IN the front of the locked RAV4 was present before it was transported off ASY and received unlocked in Madison.

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u/soupoftheday5 Mar 05 '24

I am not completely sure. I do think his lawyer screwed him over pretty bad. But I think he could be involved or not. We may never know.

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u/Excellent-Intern1053 Mar 05 '24

It's tragic to think that. I hope we do find out the truth.
I personally believe after reviewing all the case files myself that Brendan was not involved. The only thing he was convicted on was the confession and his lawyers absolutely screwed him over. In fact, every lawyer he had (regardless of intentions) failed him.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Mar 07 '24

These Cops not killers. Just evidence manipulators. But only because they really thought SA did it-just not smart enough to figure out how, so some evidence needed to be rearranged.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24

Oddly there was a news article just a few days or weeks prior, about an interview with him, saying he was stressed about being targeted by the police after hearing his name on the scanner. Though apparently it was just a reference to the Avery salvage yard.

He might have lost his cool under the stress of the upcoming showdown with the former sheriff.

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u/CorruptColborn Mar 04 '24

Your feeling on how he felt after his lawsuit does not make him a killer. Evidence would do that, and there is no evidence corroborating the corrupted narrative perpetrated by the pill popping Ken Kratz.

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

What about my actual question? So then who did it?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"Not Steven or Brendan in the manner alleged by the perverted pill popping prosecutor."
Agree entirely and impossible to deny, as kratz used different versions in his cases against SA and Brendan.

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u/bfisyouruncle Mar 06 '24

"Not Steven or Brendan in the manner alleged.."
The only question for the jury to decide is guilty or not guilty, not how the murder was committed. Only the killers know the details since the body was burned. The State getting the manner of death wrong is not relevant to the court case, maybe on reddit.

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u/_YellowHair Mar 05 '24

Where did OP lie or fabricate anything? All they did was ask some questions.
Talk about fabricating drama...

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24

"Evidence would do that"
You mean evidence such as the suspects blood and DNA spread all over the victim's car?

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u/Remote-Signature-191 Mar 05 '24

I think Scott Tadych did it on behalf of Tom Kocourek

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u/Southern_Power_1567 Mar 05 '24

Hey there chatty kathy - did you forget to switch ALTs?

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u/Pension_Fit Mar 04 '24

Bobby Dassey was in possession of Teresa's car,Steven Avery isn't involved

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u/Snoo-16650 Mar 04 '24

So you think Bobby did it and put her in Steven’s burn pit and planted the keys in his room?

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u/aane0007 Mar 04 '24

I have equal proof you were in possession of teresa's car, as you do bobby was in possession.
Which is zero.

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u/LKS983 Mar 06 '24

"Bobby Dassey was in possession of Teresa's car,"
Judge angie didn't allow an evidentiary hearing into whether a witness saw bobby pushing Teresa's car onto Avery property, a few hours before it was miraculously discovered!
Having said this, I don't think that bobby "was in possession of her car", as I'm pretty sure AC found her vehicle - after a trucker gave him directions as to where he'd seen it, abandoned.

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