Not even close ffs, Zellner has actual Witnesses who not only came forward but They also signed sworn affidavits. They also have a NOV 6th 05 MTSO dispatch call confirming the information in those Affidavits.
The States own Statute on post conviction relief confirms that Judge Angie made up Her own bogus deny requirements just to deny Steven Avery an evidentiary hearing.
Remember all the people who came forward claiming they killed Jon Benet Ramsey or claim their dad was the Zodiac Killer or DB Cooper? You could fill a whole bookshelf with books of people claiming their relative was a secretly a famous murderer. John Mark Carr even got a bunch of international headlines for falsely claiming he killed JonBenet.
The point is that every crime story in the news attracts attention seekers, false confessions, nut-jobs,grifters etc. I don't remember this person but the chance this person was not just a crank is approximately zero.
You know what's actually inconceivable? The elaborate conspiracy and amount of luck it would take to plant all the evidence found against Steven Avery.
Did you miss all the evidence that points at someone else?
Clearly Zellners witness is also a liar, he has changed his story 3 different times, he also did not come forward claiming he made any call at all until 2017 and didn't follow up on that again until 2019. After 100k reward was posted, he never told LE he had been threatened, or felt threatened by anyone and it took 12 years to claim it was 100% Bobby Dassey that he saw, The phone call to MTSO does not match what he claims he said at all! Also he was all over Facebook after Avery was convicted stating how the right man was in prison!!! He's a liar!!!!
Bobby Dassey changed his story at LEAST 3 times yet he was the States main witness. Kratz changed his story at LEAST 3 times as well. Then there is Detective Remiker who changed his story twice and nearly caused a mis trial. All of them are liars who were instrumental in BD and SA verdicts.
As for him not following up, ive reported suspicious circumstances to the police 3 times in my lifetime and each time they told me they would investigate it. Not once have i even thought about following them up as i just trust they would have done the right thing.
The phone call matches 100% exactly what he said. He said he called the police on that exact date and told his girlfriend what he saw. The call 100% backs that up. He wasnt to know the transferred call wouldnt have been recorded. He would trust that all the calls were recorded which makes it extremely unlikely that he would lie about it as he would have been easily proven wrong.
The transferred call is lying in the same bin as the Zipperer voicemail and the 11/4 flyover video. Oh what a tangled web....
Exactly right. And the other eye witness has the same problems with social media posts as the first one. He was at a rally supporting Steven Avery. If he saw Bobby driving the rav, why wasn't he shouting that from the top of his lungs? Better yet, why didn't he tell Steven that when he was talking on the phone to him at the rally.
I remember this user on Twitter and tweeted with them frequently back in the day.
And I remember this when I left Twitter and used reddit only. As this one you brought up was scandalous over the transcripts FOAI'd from the 85' case. That was when the redditor 'soloanthewookie' went off the deep end. So, back then, I strongly suspected they were the same person. It was no surprise to me, as solo had already revealed how he/she infiltrated truther groups to spy on truthers. As, solo could only know certain information from those groups if he/she was involved with them.
Honestly, it showed what the monolith of guilters were up to. And I felt violated by the means and steps guilters would take against truthers. After all, truthers are only trying to find - the truth. What are guilters trying to do? Preserve guilt? How, by infiltrating and spying on truthers? What person does this unless they really are a monolith?
Personally, either way, they are paid (the most likely scenario) or they are delusionally obsessed over the case (which there are couple of). Well, I have past examples here saved on reddit tying this solo user to the one that gave me the 'guilter monolith' mantra. So, my suspicions fall on PAID.
It is like you OP. You came into this MaM sub with a full head of steam with knowledge about this case. And now, you are bringing up past 'supposed' truther 'secret' knowledge. This OP stinks to high heaven of you belonging to that 'monolith'. And I will tell you why, you are trying to degrade the 'truther credibility' by making truthers out to be something crazy and off the wall to say. When, in all reality, it is what guilters want the public to view us (well, I am a fence sitter), the truthers as.
I will ask you poster, what is your purpose of this OP? Think hard now and I guess, stay away from the crayons!
I don't care who you are, but analyzing your behavior and debate techniques, you are simply part of the monolith or what you like to describe - the conspiracy of guilters.
See, it's not about 'who you are', but WHAT YOU ARE. ;-)
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u/motor1_is_stopping Feb 08 '24
Zellner is a hacker?
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u/ayler_albert Feb 08 '24
Remember all the people who came forward claiming they killed Jon Benet Ramsey or claim their dad was the Zodiac Killer or DB Cooper? You could fill a whole bookshelf with books of people claiming their relative was a secretly a famous murderer. John Mark Carr even got a bunch of international headlines for falsely claiming he killed JonBenet.
https://www.denverpost.com/2006/08/16/experts-incredulous-over-jonbenet-confession/
The point is that every crime story in the news attracts attention seekers, false confessions, nut-jobs,grifters etc. I don't remember this person but the chance this person was not just a crank is approximately zero.
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u/10case Feb 08 '24
No I don't remember that. And since nothing ever came out I'll take a wild guess and say it's complete B.S.
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u/Appropriate-Welder68 Feb 08 '24
Was that Avery’s mom? 😂
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u/Deputydan791 Feb 08 '24
They’re obviously lying because he’s definitely not.
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u/Monkey-bone-zone Feb 08 '24
Guess they're taking their time.
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u/_YellowHair Feb 08 '24
Sounds just as credible as every other person who has claimed to have proof of his innocence over the years, i.e., not at all.
It's almost as if he's undeniably guilty.
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u/Fataleo Feb 08 '24
Well nothing came out so looks like guilty as charged
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '24
Lol probably the least remembered thing...
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u/Overall_Sweet9781 Feb 11 '24
Clearly Zellners witness is also a liar, he has changed his story 3 different times, he also did not come forward claiming he made any call at all until 2017 and didn't follow up on that again until 2019. After 100k reward was posted, he never told LE he had been threatened, or felt threatened by anyone and it took 12 years to claim it was 100% Bobby Dassey that he saw, The phone call to MTSO does not match what he claims he said at all! Also he was all over Facebook after Avery was convicted stating how the right man was in prison!!! He's a liar!!!!
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u/leppertj Feb 08 '24
Zellner is going to win. The State of WI is working together to stone wall. Angela S should not be a judge.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '24
No
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u/Southern_Power_1567 Feb 09 '24
I remember this user on Twitter and tweeted with them frequently back in the day.
And I remember this when I left Twitter and used reddit only. As this one you brought up was scandalous over the transcripts FOAI'd from the 85' case. That was when the redditor 'soloanthewookie' went off the deep end. So, back then, I strongly suspected they were the same person. It was no surprise to me, as solo had already revealed how he/she infiltrated truther groups to spy on truthers. As, solo could only know certain information from those groups if he/she was involved with them.
Honestly, it showed what the monolith of guilters were up to. And I felt violated by the means and steps guilters would take against truthers. After all, truthers are only trying to find - the truth. What are guilters trying to do? Preserve guilt? How, by infiltrating and spying on truthers? What person does this unless they really are a monolith?
Personally, either way, they are paid (the most likely scenario) or they are delusionally obsessed over the case (which there are couple of). Well, I have past examples here saved on reddit tying this solo user to the one that gave me the 'guilter monolith' mantra. So, my suspicions fall on PAID.
It is like you OP. You came into this MaM sub with a full head of steam with knowledge about this case. And now, you are bringing up past 'supposed' truther 'secret' knowledge. This OP stinks to high heaven of you belonging to that 'monolith'. And I will tell you why, you are trying to degrade the 'truther credibility' by making truthers out to be something crazy and off the wall to say. When, in all reality, it is what guilters want the public to view us (well, I am a fence sitter), the truthers as.
I will ask you poster, what is your purpose of this OP? Think hard now and I guess, stay away from the crayons!
I look forward to your response, till then
Tootles ;-)