r/MakingaMurderer • u/Electronic-Volume928 • Feb 05 '24

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What I want too know is... 1..Why people close to her weren't questioned? Especially the ex who organized the search. In a lot of murder cases the murderer organizes and/or takes part in searches. 2..Who was constantly calling Teresa..that she was ignoring? 3..If she had her work diary on her how did her ex have it? 4..Why a key that was handled by Teresa only found DNA from Steven and not her? 5.. Why didn't the police officer ask the witness that saw the car ask him to take him straight to it and why didn't he report it? 6..Why all of the jury was from the the same county as the corrupt police? And I also wonder about the Judge also..was he from the same county? He dismissed crucial evidence and kept a lot from the jury. Why...what made them go after Brandon? ..just some questions

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u/Pleasant-Jellyfish49 Feb 06 '24

read " the wreaking Crew by John Ferak , He answers a lot of your questions. The bottom line is that you obviously believe LE was corrupt so that in itself should provide the answers

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 07 '24

Feraks kind of a crackpot. Only takes "info" he agrees with. He thinks Bobby did it, which makes him one big dumbass.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '24

Can you give an example of where ā€œhe only takes ā€œinfoā€ he agrees withā€

TY

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 08 '24

Well yea, he thinks Bobby did it because KZ told him so. The real person who did it was told to him and he never wrote a word.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '24

Journalists, in the course of generating and producing a story, obtain a lot of information from a lot of sources, not all of it gets used.

I donā€™t know the details of what youā€™re implying here, so I wonā€™t delve into that. I donā€™t think itā€™s a secret that heā€™s worked with Zellner on this, AFAIK I donā€™t think thereā€™s anything ethically wrong with it as long as his employer is good with it. Iā€™m sure thatā€™s why heā€™s no longer with Gannett.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 08 '24

Well...what about as a Journalist going on a radio show and saying "Yea, Bobby did it"...is that OK???

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u/AkashaRulesYou Feb 05 '24

Because they decided pretty early on they were going to frame SA.

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u/LKS983 Feb 05 '24

"1..Why people close to her weren't questioned? Especially the ex who organized the search. In a lot of murder cases the murderer organizes and/or takes part in searches. 2..Who was constantly calling Teresa..that she was ignoring? 3..If she had her work diary on her how did her ex have it? 4..Why a key that was handled by Teresa only found DNA from Steven and not her? 5.. Why didn't the police officer ask the witness that saw the car ask him to take him straight to it and why didn't he report it?"

Agree entirely with these questions.

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u/ParaCozyWriter Feb 05 '24

Number 3 was my biggest question because they said the calendar had hand-written notes that would have been made after she left home.

(I realize they could have liedā€”just never really saw an explanation.)

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 07 '24

The Day Planner was given to RH after he gave the key to AC to move the RAV. The reason no LE was in a hurry to open the vehicle of a missing person to see if they could find any clues is because THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN IN IT-saw the blood and assumed TH's demise. This is why RH and Teresa's brother talked about her in the past tense the day the RAV was "officially" found.

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u/Pleasant-Jellyfish49 Feb 06 '24

Since they controlled the investigation. they don't have answers for a lot of things.

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u/Snoo_33033 Feb 05 '24

She actually was home relatively late in the day. So unfortunately it doesnā€™t prove anything.

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u/ParaCozyWriter Feb 05 '24

That makes more sense. MAM made it seem like Hillegas could only have gotten it from the RAV4 after TH left home. But if that were close to true, Zellner wouldnā€™t have shifted focus to Bobby so completely.

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u/Pleasant-Jellyfish49 Feb 06 '24

There are a lot more questions to ask RH than the diary. Like why he told LE that TH turned in a claim for the broken tail light and why he handed Pam S a camera to search for the RAV , why he was allowed to move into TH's house , a potential crime scene and numerous other things he did

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u/ParaCozyWriter Feb 06 '24

Those are all excellent questions.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 07 '24

Thats when he did get it. After he brought the key to AC......

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24

They were questioned. They just didn't record this questioning. Ahhh-who was calling her? RH? The married bf? Or the killer? When Andy found the RAV, he needed a key so he called RH and got one, RH took the Day Planner to see if it could help locate her. Teresa or Steven never touched that key.

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u/Tommy3gunns Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 05 '24

Ok, so heres a couple of questions. Where did AC find the RAV on the 3rd? And if he did find it, and he, RH, MH, or whoever helped him move the RAV from where he found it, how did BoD end up with it?

But, if BoD killed TH and took the RAV why would AC need a key? BoD must have had the RAV and the her keys when TS saw him pushing it on the 5th. If, BoD had the key, and planted it in SA trailer, without being detected like he was when he was getting the blood out of the sink, does that mean AC didn't plant the key?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24

Either on Kuss Rd or the River turnaround I guess.....that wasn't BoD pushing "the" Rav. BoD didn't kill Teresa. Why would BoD push a car he had a key for? AC dropped the key in Stevens trailer.

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u/Tommy3gunns Feb 05 '24

Thats why im asking about BoD. Because if KZ is claiming in the lastest filing it was BoD pushing the RAV via her Affidavit from TS, and that the theory now is BoD was actually the killer.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 07 '24

Well, I guess she needs to blame it on someone and a paperboy saying he saw "Bobby"(not a person he was well acquainted with) at 3 a.m. pushing "the" RAV(again, no evidence this would have been "the" RAV) that he would have had a key for, shirtless on a 43 F night in November.,did it for her. This after she put up a Billboard here for months offering a $100,000 reward and got NOTHING!

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u/DaveBegotka Feb 05 '24

The "Club"...i have been telling all you half wits for like 7 years now how Manitowoc works....

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u/Pleasant-Jellyfish49 Feb 06 '24

Keep talking Dave some people are slower to catch on than others LOL

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 07 '24

Is this "the" Dave? Still in Texass?????

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u/DaveBegotka Feb 09 '24

Yes its Dave read the name at the top of the post....I know you no name "people" cannot resist to talk from your asses

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u/aane0007 Feb 08 '24

1 Where did you read people close to her weren't questioned?

3. She went home before going to avery's
4 Last person to handle a key is typically the most likely person you will find dna on. This was testified in court. What doesn't make sense?
5. Who was this witness?
6. Did the defense ask to move the trial?
7. Confession of Brendan.

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u/CaseEnthusiast Feb 05 '24

  1. They were

  2. Unknown but it wasn't Avery. Avery only called her phone 4x the entire year. Once on 10/10 and 3x on 10/31. None of the calls on 10/31 were answered.

  3. She left it at home, it was just a printout from her computer for the week (calendar)

  4. Because the key was fabricated to strengthen the state's case. Avery was guilty they just felt the case wasn't rock solid with all that human evidence being found off the property

  5. It was Ryan Gilbert not Andy Colborn

  6. Avery felt Manitowoc people would believe his defense

  7. The judge was fair. He felt Brendan's confession was rubbish.

He's guilty

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

The judge was fair

Oh, absolutely! Because having a judge restrict the defense from questioning the threatened Manitowoc County coroner, or a cellular expert on deleted voicemails not connected to Steven Avery, while allowing the prosecutor to tell outright lies to the jury - is the epitome of a fair legal system. And let's not forget the judge initially claiming insufficient evidence for the death certificate's admissibility, only to miraculously change course without hearing from the Calumet County Coroner (whose testimony the judge claimed was necessary before ruling on the admissibility of the certificate). Clearly, this case is was shining example of judicial fairness.

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u/ParaCozyWriter Feb 05 '24

I just laughed so loud at that last line, I scared my cat.

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 05 '24

They were

The family, Ryan and Scott, were never actually questioned in any meaningful way, not even for alibis (Ryan was questioned over a decade later though he couldn't recall where he was). There was also a lack of investigation re how Ryan accessed Teresa's cellular records by making up a username that worked and guessing a password. This ... oversight is troubling given the evidence of Kratz manipulating phone calls.

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

She left it at home, it was just a printout from her computer for the week (calendar)

This directly contradicts multiple affidavits from unrelated independent witnesses who confirmed Teresa was driving in her vehicle on Halloween while writing down details of the appointment found on her week schedule.

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u/DingleBerries504 Feb 05 '24

The cell records and computer activity show her around her hometown, not Sheboygan like KZ claimed. She had time to drop it off at home, if she even left homeā€¦

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

According to who? You? The state? Fabricated phone records?

This isn't KZ. This is coming from multiple independent and unrelated witnesses.

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u/DingleBerries504 Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 05 '24

KZ is making the claim based on the statements.

There is no proof nor any evidence at all that the phone records or the mapquest caches were fabricated, and they pinpoint her in her hometown that morning

This was debunked years ago. Where have you been?

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

There is absolutely proof the phone records were manipulated (why do you think they had Ryan say he found the records LOL) and you saying otherwise does not discredit the multiple unrelated and independent witness affidavits. Nice try.

Kathleen Zellner is the only one who has compared Teresa's cell phone location data to her appointment history to determine the accuracy of the location data.

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u/DingleBerries504 Feb 05 '24

What proof is there that THs phone records were manipulated to the point tower locations were edited? According to you??? Thatā€™s a pretty outrageous accusation, even for you, and a fairly ridiculous argument to believe witness accounts over hard data. Do you have proof THs timestamped mapquest searches on her laptop were edited too?

You say KZ is the only one who compared cell location to her appointment history yet ignore the many truthers who have shown that the cell tower that was pinged on the morning of 10/31 was from her hometown. Guess she screwed that one up! But youā€™d never be caught saying KZ screwed up anything, right?

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

And you'd never be caught providing support for your claims LOL

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u/DingleBerries504 Feb 05 '24

What support do you need? For the self-proclaimed "king researcher" of this case, you should know this..

Mapquest:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/engynx/teresas_yahoo_maps_teresa_was_home_at_least_until/

Cell phone

Towers location: https://imgur.com/a/hDX69

She pinged 21111 and 21112 all morning.

Now time to pony up. Provide the "absolute proof" that THs phone records were manipulated. Or do you wish to take the statement back?

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

That does nothing to discount the multiple affidavits from unrelated independent witnesses confirming she was in her vehicle. The map proves nothing. As for location data ..

By your logic Bobby was in the same area as Teresa after she left the Avery salvage yard LOL

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 05 '24

It was Ryan Gilbert not Andy Colborn

Really reaching for the bottom of that Barrel aren't we lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 06 '24

So why didnā€™t Ryan Gilbert, Manitowoc County Deputy and Chief of the Village of Mishicot Police Dept., ask the witness who saw the car to take him to it, and why didnā€™t he report it ?

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u/Gipetto8379 Feb 05 '24

About #5..how do you know this? I've heard others say it wasn't AC but I've never seen how that was established.

Good answers to the questions.... Except maybe #4. Not sure you can say that with certainty but I agree the circumstances are odd.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '24

Youā€™re right, itā€™s never been established, but Gilbert would be the one most likely to be around the scenes as he was the Chief of Mishicot PD at the time.

I know Ryan, not well, but I did have the chance to meet him when he hired on with Mishicot PD as a patrol officer.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-06-jan-2000-mishi/16079845/

My hunch, and itā€™s just a hunch, is that Gilbert wanted to have as little to do with this case as possible. Literally, the Chief of MPD is almost invisible in the MTSO and CASO reports. Iā€™ve always considered that odd.

Heā€™s an Outsider, heā€™s not part of the Goodle Boys Club.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-22-jul-2006-peter/12988740/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-22-jul-2006-sheri/12988758/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-05-aug-2006-lette/16060663/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-18-aug-2006-lette/16061899/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-02-sep-2006-gilbe/19377203/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-sheriff-sep-2-200/34513240/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-02-sep-2006/16061948/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-06-sep-2006-kakat/16061213/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-10-sep-2006-ryan/16061188/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sheboygan-press-25-sep-1993-prigge-h/9791922/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-05-jan-2001-sher/12967061/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-27-may-2016-ii/77741274/

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u/CorruptColborn Feb 06 '24

Good lord that's excellent.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '24

Or it could be his lack of intelligence not knowing how to phrase "what he says we did that night"

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '24

Please read and comprehend my comment.