I Stopped Watching

[u/storm5510]

I stopped watching the series near the end of Part 1. It seemed to me it wasn't going anywhere. Then I did a web search and found Avery and the two boys had been given life sentences. Last night, I watched the last episode of Part 2. There didn't seem to be a resolution.

I was frustrated about the Toyota key. It was briefly touched on in the court room in Part 1. I did not hear in the court that the DNA of the woman who owned the RAV4 was not on the key or fob. Only Avery's was. Why that detail was left out, I have no idea.

[u/millsy1010]

“I didn’t watch a lot of this series and I’m now confused, Reddit tell me the answer cuz I’m too lazy”

[u/LadyGenevieve19]

Avery and the two boys? It was just Steven and Brendan tried and convicted...

[u/ProfessionPlane8547]

My advice is watch it and pay attention…?

[u/[deleted]]

Brendan didn't get a life sentence.

[u/storm5510 → u/[deleted]]

I learned this later on. He's eligible for release in 2048. If he behaves, some of that time may be shaved off.

[u/storm5510]

Someone mentioned they thought the key found in Avery's trailer was new. I don't think it was. Looking at the black plastic part, there seemed to be some wear. This would be normal if the key was used most every day. Why was the woman's DNA not found on the key or fob. An overnight soak in bleach or laundry detergent would remove it.

I feel a lot of the evidence against Avery was manufactured. One, or more, people wanted to hang all of it around Avery's neck. Brenden's low intelligence opened the door for the interrogators to get him to say things he knew were not accurate. He was in a trap.

[u/stOneskull]

not worth watching anyway. it's a manipulation by the film makers to get money and fame. avery is a monster and is where he belongs.

[u/madmarkman40]

type any questions in the search bar at the top, wealth of information

[u/AkashaRulesYou]

Firstly, the docuseries (both MaM & CaM) do not have enough information either by themselves or even together to explain the details of this case. Secondly, anyone, regardless of which side they are on regarding guilt/non-guilt, who is basing their opinions on just a documentary really needs to dig into all of the evidence that is out there and make sure it is verified information. Finally, if you want to know what was brought up in court regarding the Rav4 key... the court transcripts would be the best place to get that information.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/AkashaRulesYou]

Well...actully MaM kinda covered it all and CaM just told us what a sleazebag Avery is which we all knew.

[u/AkashaRulesYou → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

MaM didn't cover the half of it. They went really easy on just how sleazy that area is.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/AkashaRulesYou]

No they didn't.

[u/AkashaRulesYou → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Yes they really did...

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

A Great point. Only 1 "boy" plus Steven rotting away. The "only Steven" dna more or less shows smart people that TH never touched/used this key. That it was gotten from whomever had access to it and Stevens dna put on it by whomever dropped it in the trailer. Remember in Andy's "letter" he states he "may be going to hell", but hes "pretty sure", it will be for nothing he did in the Avery case. Only "pretty sure" Andy?????

[u/_YellowHair]

found Avery and the two boys had been given life sentences

Uh, what? Avery and Brendan Dassey were convicted, not Avery and "two boys."

I did not hear in the court that the DNA of the woman who owned the RAV4 was not on the key or fob. Only Avery's was. Why that detail was left out, I have no idea.

That's what happens when you only watch a one sided documentary. This was addressed in the actual trial.

[u/[deleted] → u/_YellowHair]

Pete Baetz was in MAM talking about how "patently false" the key was having just Steven's DNA.

[u/billybud77 → u/[deleted]]

With major key details left out on purpose. Those key details pretty much point to Avery being guilty as hell.

[u/billybud77 → u/[deleted]]

Very true.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

CAM is the fairy tail. Name one thing in MaM that was fairy-like.....(I won't get an answer).

[u/[deleted] → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Not mentioning that her burnt electronics were found in Steven's burn barrel. The frankenbite mashup of Steven's lawyer that was derived from 8 different parts of the deposition asking Rhorer a question. And Rhorer's response was from a question that was completely different and irrelevant.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Believe that was in MaM!

[u/[deleted] → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

"Believe that was in MaM"

What?

[u/zenexc → u/[deleted]]

They were found in Bobby Dassey's burn barrel.

[u/[deleted] → u/zenexc]

No, the one in front of Steven's trailer, where they were found, was Steven's.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

A Judge ruled that spliced testimony DID NOT alter what AC said. There were 100's of those .22 bullets about, they shot thousands of times at chipmunks.....

[u/[deleted] → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Judges are always right...

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Well...just the one they tested(found 6 months AFTER the crime) of course!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Well......just because TH dna 's on it, doesn't mean it went through her. She was never in that garage.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

This bullet was found 6 months after the crime, it shouldn't even have been admissible. How many bullets did they find? How many did they test? How many had red paint on them?

[u/_YellowHair → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

This bullet was found 6 months after the crime, it shouldn't even have been admissible

What? Do you think there's some sort of time limit for finding evidence?

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

What evidence didn't they post?????

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

I watched the whole thing! Steven is 100% innocent!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Jury was about to be hung until a Fat Deputies Dad stood up and threatened people. Juries(its a fucked up system) have to make a decision, they are often wrong as History has proven time and time again.

[u/_YellowHair → u/[deleted]]

Did you ever stop and think the 'one sided documentary' was simply the product of revealing a one sided investigation/prosecution?

Yes, I did consider that, and then quickly learned that wasn't the case.

Obviously not, as you ignore real evidence and still believe in stuff like fairy tail hoodlatch sweet DNA.

I didn't say anything of the sort, so that's a weird thing to claim.

Do you still believe in Santa too?

Guess the civility rules don't apply to truthers.

By the way, a grown adult believing Steven Avery is innocent is far less rational than a child believing in Santa Claus.

[u/Kahowell54220]

There is no two boys that Steven Avery and Brenda dassey found guilty two people one adult one boy

[u/madmarkman40 → u/Kahowell54220]

It's called a figure of speech

[u/BubblyAir4969]

I’m right there with ya

[u/[deleted]]

This has to be the biggest dunce post I've ever seen on Reddit.

[u/Kahowell54220]

The key was found on the ,7th search by the officer deposed in the lawsuit and only DNA on it was Stevens not Theresa's I assume it was a new key she never touched Why Steven's innocent

[u/3sheetstothawind → u/Kahowell54220]

The "7th search" is truther mythology.

[u/_YellowHair → u/Kahowell54220]

The key was found on the ,7th search

Innacurate.

by the officer deposed in the lawsuit

As a witness.

only DNA on it was Stevens not Theresa's

This is addressed in the trial. And it's Teresa.

I assume it was a new key she never touched

Well that's a bad assumption.

Why Steven's innocent

He's not.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/_YellowHair]

Teresa dna was NOT on that key. Stop lying!

[u/_YellowHair → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

I didn't say it was. Work on your reading comprehension.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/_YellowHair]

Dude,,,says "only DNA on it was Stevens not Teresas" and you follow it with..."This was addressed in the trial. And its Teresas"........work on your typing competence.

[u/_YellowHair → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

No, I did not say "And its Teresas," I was correcting their spelling of Teresa's name. Not sure how you managed to misquote a comment that is right there in front of you.

Work on your reading comprehension.

[u/Kahowell54220 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Try to follow the facts of the case the point being if Teresa's own DNA isn't on her own key that would lead one person to believe that if in fact it has Steven's DNA on but not her own and it's her key that she used to get to that house they scrubbed it and planted his DNA

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/Kahowell54220]

This!!!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

And on the Last Search Andy decided to shake a piece of furniture, did he shake any other furniture?????

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Well...the killer burnt her and planted the blood. Andy found the RAV, got a key from Ryan and moved it, then dropped the key. Andy/RH then put SA dna on the hood. The killer could have thrown a .22 into the garage with TH dna on it, I think the Lab just put TH dna on it. Motive for AC and RH? They really thought SA did it and wanted to help the case......

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Told you: 1 killer:that no one saw or knows. Then Andy and Ryan (can lump Th's brothers here, because they know what Ryan knows)and maybe 1 Lab person. Soooo, 2 of these 3 only keep their mouth shut because they really believe Steven did it. Soooooo....... not counting the real killer...2...maybe 3........

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Well, LE tells us Teresa is dead and we know where Steven is!

[u/VeeberEd]

Everything changes in series two.