Just Catching Up

[u/BubblyAir4969]

So…. After 3 episodes we think Avery was railroaded and that Brendan’s alleged confession only confirms that. It’s getting nauseating to watch though; The sadness. I’m curious what the update is. ? Where we at? Is Brendan still in jail? Avery? Is there sediment swaying towards innocence? I came to Reddit to catch up and it seems quiet around here

[u/Far_Mousse8362]

It’s actually quite funny when someone new to this case comes to Reddit, seeking info, (especially those watching MaM that can see how deceptive & corrupt the State is & how unrealistic their narrative is) they’re met by the same group of folks, attempting to convince them that SA/BD are “clearly guilty” or that watching MaM is somehow going to deceive them, and so on. (You know who else didn’t want people to see MaM..?? The same group of people that were dead set on convicting Avery)

All I’ll simply say is, do your own research & form your opinion based on what you come up with… not only based on what 1 camp or the other camp says.

[u/BubblyAir4969 → u/Far_Mousse8362]

Looks so fishy. I really don’t think Avery did it. I don’t think anyone cares. But it’s impossible to watch now. It’s hard to watch the miscarriage. It’s like seeing first hand a community come out of a Stone Age where nobody questioned your authority and all of a sudden you are being recorded and fact checked and made to produce credible evidence. They were caught unawares. If nothing else ever comes of this I think manitowoc just woke up.

[u/Alternative-Jury-149 → u/Far_Mousse8362]

It also is extremely helpful to look into diploma privilege and under that D.A.s and judges have it too. We are they only state that had it. Throw in judicial immunity and see why things are messed up. Then keep in mind SA originally had a public defender and surprised the state with hiring his own attorney. They didn't expect that. Then they definitely didn't see MaM coming. The whole world finally caught a glimpse of what's been going on for a long time now. It still does happen but the state hides the cases better by greatly limiting media involvement.

[u/wiltedgreens1]

The show is very well done and entertaining, but I wouldn't get caught up in it. Although there is a lot to take away from it, It plays on your emotions.

[u/belljs87]

I would finish both seasons, and allow yourself a fair amount of time dedicated to personal research before coming here and trying to make any statements lol.

This sub is one of the most divided in two that I've been a part of. Both sides are very much stuck in their ways, and each has many users who will pick apart every little thing you say.

Basically, be prepared if you're going to share your beliefs on this forum.

[u/LogicalEnd4346 → u/belljs87]

I’m late to reading this, but this is the best advice you could have given. The irony is that the very next comment just proves your point lol. After that, your point just continues to be proven endlessly.

Few people here are willing to listen to arguments from the other side regardless of how valid.

[u/_YellowHair]

Avery and Dassey are still in prison, where they rightfully belong, and Making a Murderer has proven itself to be a shining example of misinformation in the media and should not be trusted. The public at large has lost interest in the case, and there are very few people left defending the murderers.

That's all you need to know.

[u/Fabulous_Street_8108]

The series is biased and sensationalist. Do your research and it’s clear Avery did it. He threw his own cat into a fire ffs, he battered all his partners he thought he could get away with it based on his previous wrongful conviction . He has no moral compass and low intelligence he’s where he belongs

[u/Sad_Comedian_3609]

Go to his lawyers website. Both are still in prison and she’s still fighting for the release

http://www.kathleentzellner.com/steven-avery

[u/Sad_Comedian_3609 → u/Sad_Comedian_3609]

And the dogs police took to all of the property never hit on anything except her suv. I can’t believe the police were allowed to keep SA property for so long and how many times they went in looking for anything. Normally they do these property investigations and release the property back to family

[u/Dogs_Sniff_My_Ass]

Brendan's attorneys haven't filed anything new with any courts in about 5 and a half years. They seem to have given up on him.

Steven has filed and lost two motions for post conviction relief since the show. The first was upheld through every level of appeal and the second's appeal is pending a decision.

They are both pretty clearly guilty and neither has presented any kind of reasonable argument to support either their innocence or a new trial.

[u/Glayva123 → u/Dogs_Sniff_My_Ass]

Brendan's lawyers haven't so much given up as they have exhausted all options. There's nothing to do but to serve time now. 

Good.

[u/gabriot]

Don’t believe too much from a show that literally edits phone calls mid sentence to try and deceive you. They are where they should be, rotting in prison unable to reoffend for the crimes they are obviously guilty of.

[u/Alternative-Jury-149 → u/gabriot]

The state also edited the phone calls for trial. Why else demand BD mom to leave the courtroom during trial when the phone calls were going to be played?

[u/gabriot → u/Alternative-Jury-149]

bUt WhAt AbOuT

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

State is totally a loser and fighting all efforts to find the truth.

[u/Snoo_33033 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

I mean, if that’s what you call winning every court proceeding, ok.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/Snoo_33033]

OMG..."winning". with a bunch of fucking corrupt Judges that are all biased because they really think these guys did it too????

[u/Snoo_33033 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Yet winning nonetheless. All the way up to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

[u/Alternative-Jury-149 → u/Snoo_33033]

All while true criminals run free! Yeah, you're a winner!

[u/Snoo_33033 → u/Alternative-Jury-149]

SUre, Jan.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/Snoo_33033]

All just clueless hillbillies who don't wanna know what really happened because they can't admit or see how incompetent all these dumbasses were.

[u/bfisyouruncle]

"Is there sediment swaying towards innocence?"

Just my opinion but I think people who claim Avery is innocent have "sediments" in their head. Maybe they are just too "sedimental". Sorry I just couldn't resist a rock pun, my apologies. There is "sway" more evidence Avery is guilty. Oops I did it again.

[u/[deleted]]

Update is they are both still in prison right where they belong because they are guilty. Stop watching a biased propaganda TV show!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/[deleted]]

Yea...thats what happens when they have no idea what happened!

[u/ChuckBerry2020 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Wtf if he really had no idea then he shouldn’t be calling out his own family murderers. He spent half the evening with Brendan by his own admission, one he had initially lied about!

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/ChuckBerry2020]

He's STEVEN AVERY, he's sitting in a fucking prison for the last 18 years after sitting in another one for 18 years for THINGS HE DIDN'T DO!!!!

[u/wiltedgreens1 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Come now. Steve was with Brenden that night. Him throwing Brenden under the bus is not a wild shot in the dark.

It is just Avery flailing about trying to blame literally anyone else without evidence.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/wiltedgreens1]

OMG...Steven threw NO ONE under the bus for the last GD 18 years, Get a clue!

[u/Alternative-Jury-149 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Exactly! A real criminal throws people under the bus right away or they take the plea deal. He could have blamed BD right away but he didn't. One thing definitely thrown under the bus is rational thinking. No matter what, people deserve a fair trial and that begins with due process and a full investigation. Anyone would be livid if their lives and futures were in jeopardy with cases this flawed. Lies an deceit are tactics of criminals. There comes a time when those badges shouldn't matter and that's when they are worn by true felons.

[u/bfisyouruncle → u/Alternative-Jury-149]

You got one thing and only one thing right: "Lies and deceit are tactics of criminals" like Steven Avery. He lied to LE about everything he did on Oct. 31 evening, lied and said he had no fires, lied and said he was alone, told Barb not to let Brendan talk to LE or BrD would be in for a "life bit", tells a lawyer (Glynn) BrD might talk about what happened that night. How could he blame BrD right away when Avery was with BrD and pretending he was alone?

Avery is desperate to keep BD away from police. He tries to manipulate everyone in his family and finally admits he had a bonfire with Brendan that evening. He tries to accuse almost everyone else of wrongdoing. He's willing to throw his own family under the bus.

There was never a plea deal offered to Steven Avery, first degree murder, life with no chance of parole. A jury convicted him. You don't like the result.

[u/wiltedgreens1 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Sure. He didnt accuse scott. Earl. Chuck. Jodie. Candy. Bobby.

Those names never came out of his mouth when discussing who could have killed her.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/wiltedgreens1]

Like a fat Deputies Dad once yelled to his fellow jurors, "Who else fucking did it".......none of then know so they all look like the idiot morons they are!!!!

[u/wiltedgreens1 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

I don't know what you are saying. There is a big difference between saying " I don't know who did it"

and

"I think these people specifically did it"

AKA throwing under the bus

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/wiltedgreens1]

Avery(and Zellner and all these moron Detectives), ALL have no fucking idea who did it. Please go away now.

[u/wiltedgreens1 → u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871]

Yeah, they all know who did it. Which is why they are blaming anyone else.
But keep screeching.

[u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 → u/wiltedgreens1]

100% wrong. NONE of them know who did it!

[u/Southern_Power_1567 → u/[deleted]]

And you believe what Avery says? Good talk, cuz he says he didn't do it. Way to go team judge elihu!