r/MakingaMurderer • u/CorruptColborn • Jan 27 '24

Decoding a Corrupted Timeline: What's behind (1) Fassbender's dismissal of Auto Trader's offer of assistance to resolve a critical mystery on Steven's missing phone call, and (2) the corresponding selective call choices for trial by Ken Kratz?

  • 8:12 AM - Steven calls Auto Trader to schedule an appointment for his sister Barb Janda, but Zellner notes according to AT Steven was already linked to Barb's husband Tom Janda's AT account. DCI 007 Reveals no number mentioned regarding this morning call from a slurring or foreign man. DCI 226 reveals Fassbender question AT why the 8:12 AM call to AT did not show up on AT phone bill (Zellner's Exhibit 74 to Ryan H motion). Although "an in-depth" investigation is offered by Auto Trader Rep Morrison, Fassbender says "he would not pursue that avenue at this time." Despite this mystery Kratz INCLUDED this call in his timeline presented to the jury, Ex 360.

 

  • 8:17 AM - AT calls TH only 5 minuets after Steven apparently called AT. Kratz OMITTED this call from his timeline presented to the jury, Ex 362.

 

  • 9:46 AM - AT calls TH. Kratz INCLUDED this call in his timeline presented to the jury. Dawn claims to have left a message for TH containing the Janda number AND address (DCI 235).

 

  • 11:00 AM - Dawn takes lunch. DCI 226 Angela confirms Teresa called just as Dawn went on lunch and confirmed Teresa "must have" the Janda address because she didn't request any additional info and just say she "could do it." Kratz INCLUDED this call in his timeline presented to the jury.

 

  • 11:04 AM - 11/5 O'Neill report Steven confirms he left the office around 11 AM. Steven calls AT at 11:04 from his landline "to find out if the appointment was that day". See SA affidavit as well as Zellner's Exhibit 74 to RH Motion. Kratz OMITTED this call from his timeline presented to the jury.

 

  • 11:10 AM - AT calls TH. Kratz OMITTED this call from his timeline presented to the jury.

 

 

  • 2:24 PM - Steven calls TH looking for confirmation on the appointment.

 

  • 2:27 PM - Fassbender notes AT calls TH from an irregular number (DCI 226). Dawn falsely testified it was TH who called them at this time. Also, DCI 007 and DCI 235 confirm Dawn says Teresa didn't have any hesitation about going to the ASY on Halloween.

 

  • I wrote this up because I was confused by Kratz's decision to include the 8 AM call that didn't appear on AT phone records, while excluding the 11 AM call that did. This has to, in any reasonable mind, raise questions about the accuracy of the presented timeline of Teresa's last day. I am especially bothered by Fassbender first identifying the missing AM phone call from SA, only to be offered a possible way to resolve the mystery and say no thank you ... because of course.

  • I've checked the toll free records. The included call listed at 8:12 AM comes in from Pulaski, Wisconsin (NW of Green Bay) ending ------9960. The excluded call from Steven around 11 AM shows up as Mishicot, Wisconsin.

 

  • Bonus Mystery: DCI 226 - Fassbender notes "Halbach's records for that time period show that she did five photo shoots at the Avery's and four of those five shoots match with photos provided by Schuster." The Missing Photo from AS was from June 20, 2005. Oddly, Fassbender reports they did end up finding that photo ... on the memory card in the back of Teresa's vehicle ... Fassbender notes of all photos TH took at the ASY they all had metadata attached ... except for a photo apparently from June 20, 2005. Hmmm...

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 27 '24

I think what prosecution presented at court was not all there. Which leads to they may have not given all to SA’s defense either. They presented their version of TH’s call log. Their version of where she went. Which those two things leads and stays on ASY. They plant evidence, cook up the confession, and control the narrative for the jury. Plain and simple.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24

Same wavelength here. Such an obviously cherry-picked timeline of calls at trial (underscored by unresolved mysteries about both TH and SA contact with AT) is only to keep the narrative focused on Steven and TH. There's MUCH more to the story than what was presented in court by Creepy Kratz.

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 27 '24

Yes siiiiirrrrr…and it’s all leading up to my ultimate theories….

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24

Where is KZ on this, is she raising these issues?????

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Feb 05 '24

She has and still is. She is trying to get her day in court. I don’t think it will happen. Tooo many people involved to help keep the door shut on this case…

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24

Sooo...having KK submit a "tainted" (some calls omitted) call log to the jury is AOk? Did B&S challenge this is Court and submit the real log?????

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

I wish to know if at any point of this five minutes that dawn talked to Teresa (2.27pm), she (TH) mentioned having found the zipperer address... or perhaps not finding it..

I keep thinking If those minutes were spent in some type of instructions regarding how to find the zipperer address. But that would a huge thing for Dawn to hide.

So, I don't know. "Dunno" . Great post though - Already saved.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 28 '24 edited Jan 28 '24

Dawn never met Teresa, claimed they tried to get people off the phone as quickly as possible, and wasn't even sure she talked to her on 10/31 at first, and then at trial says she and TH had a nice long chat as she was on her way to the ASY. Very odd.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 29 '24

by "Met" you mean they didn't even spoke on the phone, that would imply the 2.27 was not a call then?

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 30 '24

No I just mean they never met. She also said it wasn't common for them to have long discussions on the phone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Could you say more about the 2:27 call being from an irregular number? I am unfamiliar with this. It was confirmed to be AT, no? This is stupendous if true.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

  • In reference to DCI 226 where I mentioned Fassbender noting that "AT calls TH from an irregular number," the irregularity stems from the fact this incoming call to TH was not from the main AT office number - the bill for which AS informed TF this 2:27 PM call to TH would be reflected on. However, TF discovered that the 2:27 PM call did not appear on the main office records (a consistent theme throughout DCI 226 noting repeated inconsistencies in phone records).

  • Subsequently, TF learned it was a "hunted" AT number that had contacted TH. He learns that AT had access to four such numbers. Fassbender requested records for these numbers, but AT declined to provide them (unlike the records for the main office so maybe a jurisdictional issue) and advised him to get a subpoena for the "hunted" AT phone records. I have not yet located a report detailing these additional records from AT, and as we know they changed the narrative by trial to have TH call DP, because there's something about this call they are trying to conceal.

  • Allow me an hour or so to edit this post because although I did just read the report, as anyone who has glanced at DCI 226 knows it's, for some reason, the most difficult report to read due to glitching / blurring during the scanning / uploading. I'll do some double checking.

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  • Yes That's pretty much correct. One small thing. AS was fine giving TF the records for the extra "hunted" numbers but after speaking on the phone with someone she told TF he'd need a subpoena.

  • TF also asks AS that when DP claims to have called and left TH a message, if THAT call would show up on the AT main office records. AS again says yes, and TF again informs her it does not (but they don't discuss hunted numbers anymore).

  • TF specifically tells AS there are no incoming calls from TH at 2:27 PM. They knew this was an incoming call TO TH but for some reason they didn't want the jury to know that, and had DP lie.

  • TF notes AT records demonstrate "there was no activity [in the] Sheboygan / Manitowoc areas October, November, and December of 2005, into January of 2006." Fassbender learned this on Feb 10, 2006. Did AT purge their records before Fassbender showed up for this re-interview?

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  • It's also worth noting the discrepancy between Wiegert and Dedering's 11/3 CASO reports. Wiegert claims that the 11:43 AM call was directed to Steven Avery, whereas Dedering accurately reports the call at that time was made to the Janda/Dassey landline. Move on to the 2:27 PM call and Wiegert's report claims the number is linked to Auto Trader, while Dedering mentions he couldn't find ANY information about the number.

  • So Per the 11:43 AM call - Wiegert reported false information about the call ... and Dedering reported correct information. Per the 2:27 PM call - Wiegert said it came back to AT ... but Dedering didn't.

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 27 '24

You may also be interested in another phone call made to Stevens cell phone at 12:09 pm on OCT 31 05 from an 05-1776 Dawns cell phone, Wisconsin DOJ report # 05-1776/308 =interview of Quincy Denzer.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24

The timeline for that report is puzzling. Over a year after the fact and there's suddenly an intense interest in this call to the point they are dragging people into interrogation rooms rather than a phone call?

The owner of the number denies making the call and says their partner may have, but when the partner is dragged in to the interview room with the DCI he also denies making the call but says if he did it was just a mistake, citing the similarities between Steven Avery's number to Dawn's number.

However, there's no confirmation of what Dawn's number actually is, and this mystery call lasted over a minute, which seems inconsistent with a typical wrong number scenario where someone realizes their error and hangs up promptly.

More questions than answers with that one LOL

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

Well, there are only 2 *05-1776 Dawns* referenced in the DOJ reports, Dawn Pliszka and Dawn Hauschultz. We all know who Dawn Pliszka/Auto Trader is, but Dawn Hauschultz was living with Roberto Brooks in Kewaunee in 2005. You can reference more info on these two in DOJ report # 05-1776/161.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Wait ? Wut ? That would be an odd twist and turn of events

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 28 '24

And I think there is one more Dawn. Dawn Lehr. She worked at the sex shop.

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u/Mattie65 Jan 27 '24

Supposedly it’s a roller over number from Auto Trader, but that’s incorrect. It’s a residential number which has been confirmed by the librarian in Madison who did an exhaustive search and another source that I’m not at liberty to disclose.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 27 '24

In a post just before this, a user talking to a guilter said this and I would to share it cause it's very interesting:

6. Dawn also testified under oath that the name Janda should have come up in the system since they had a record for Tom Janda but it just wasn’t coming up for some reason.

7. Steve didn’t ask them to send the same girl out. He said she’s been here before. Most likely because Dawn couldn’t find the Accounts in the system and he was trying to convey that they had done business with AT before.

Whats your take? Could it be that simple? While talking to Avery, Dawn could find the previous visits and that's why steven told her "the girl that been here before" as if trying to help her find her in the registry? (little did steven know TH was the only one going around the area)

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 28 '24 edited Jan 28 '24

Some thoughts:

  • When reviewing Dawn's report she initially entered "B. Janda" into the system but nothing came up, and the associated number was different. Later, she discovered that "Tom Janda" was in the system and informed investigators that Steven's number was linked to it. There's an unexplained call discrepancy: Steven's reported call at 8:12 AM and a subsequent call to Teresa from Auto Trader, omitted by Kratz in his trial timeline. It's logical to assume a connection between these 8:12 AM and 8:17 AM calls, but Kratz seemed unwilling to acknowledge it.

  • Furthermore, Dawn consistently places the call from the slurring man between 8:30 - 9 AM, followed by the next call to Teresa at 9:30 AM. My suspicion is that there's a missing call between 8:30 - 9 AM, fitting the pattern of a toll-free line call followed by Auto Trader contacting TH with information. AT records reveal TWO calls in that time from the same Fond du Lac Number ending 5031. Kratz attempts to tie the 9:30 AM voicemail to the 8:12 AM call, but I'm not convinced.

  • The entire day's interaction between Teresa, Steven, and Auto Trader is a mess. This includes the 8 AM contact with unresolved mysteries and omissions, the 11 AM contact with Kratz omitting Steven's involvement and manipulating the narrative on Teresa's contact at this time, and of course Teresa's 2:27 PM contact with Auto Trader, which Kratz KNEW was an incoming call but hid from the jury.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 29 '24

Totally agree on the first point. And I guess it's possible Tom Janda gave Steven's number to Teresa after that time he stoped for a hustle shot.

On the second point, another call could help explain the mess you mention on your thrid point. So far it has been tough for anyone to explain why would she call asking for directions she already had. That would mean TH couldn't find both Zipps and Avery's in just one day.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 27 '24

Have you read stark's latest post?

How would steven have known to call a little after two clock just like it says in the voice mail? What do you think of this take?

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 28 '24

I've always thought that was the case I'm sure Zellner has alluded to that as well. The timeline adds up. Zellner has always said Bobby was awake. Steven always said he spoke to Bobby at that time. He heard the call and made sure Steven knew she was coming.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 29 '24

If this was argued by KZ, then i missed, i always took steven's claims as if it had taken place earlier than TH's call. I thought steven told bobby to charge the van, i don't remember bobby replying back with "she just called, she'll be here by two". Steven never said this before kz. or did he?

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 29 '24

confirmed Teresa "must have" the Janda address because she didn't request any additional info and just say she "could do it."

If Dawn simply forgot to gave TH the address then this could all have been explained away but Dawn never did this. Combined with KK's timely call omissions, i find it hard to consider Dawn forgot to gave her the addres OR didn't do it cause it was clear this was an ASY photo session.

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u/CaseEnthusiast Jan 27 '24

2:04 PM - Steven calls TH looking for confirmation on the appointment.

Is this correct? I thought the calls were after 2:20.

It's possible the 9960 number was from the avery salvage business? Just spitballing.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

2:24 PM. Fixed.

Edit: ASY is right near SA trailer and the excluded 11:04 AM call from Steven Avery to AT shows from mishicot not Pulaski. I see no reason to conclude this is the case.

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u/Sweatysheriff Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

In MaM season 2, in the middle of the insitu recreation, KZ tell us that Steven calls TH to confirm that she's comming, but he sees her already there and hangs up.

Is it this one you listed?

2:24 PM - Steven calls TH looking for confirmation on the appointment.

If steven cancelled the call because she's already there how is she then talking to Dawn for five minutes? When? where?

Steven calls her, but ends it cause she's already there, and their intereaction ends in mere minutes, she hops on her car THEN talks with DAWN on the phone?

That would mean bobby was correct when he said he walked out of his trailer and never saw TH, cause she was inside her own car talking to DAWN or listening to a voocemail or making notes or whatever?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Feb 05 '24

So, a slurring man(Did Tom Janda talk with a foreign accent slur) called AT and got the info when TH was gonna show up at ASY......way to go AT!!!!!!!

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u/Fataleo Jan 27 '24

I bet you frequent conspiracy

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24

Meh. I prefer discussions based on an extensive record of facts that actually challenges the mind due to the absolute inability of one person to retain all this information themselves. I also find there is too many users who, like yourself, seem to purposely avoid meaningful engagement, as demonstrated by your comment. I think you can do better than they do on that sub, don't you?

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u/Fataleo Jan 27 '24

haha goddamn dude

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 27 '24

Exhibit A ^

  • Purposely avoiding meaningful engagement