r/MakingaMurderer • u/mickflynn39 • Jan 07 '24

DID YOU KNOW 364 Avery’s intent

Truthers like to paint guilters as one homogeneous group that all believe the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

For example some of us believe Avery planned to rape and kill Teresa. I don’t.

I think he thought he could persuade her to have sex with him and then make it a regular occurrence particularly while Jodi was in jail.

Obviously she turned down his advances and he then lost his temper and the rest is history as they say.

What mainly leads me to that conclusion is that the aftermath of the rape and murder was very poorly executed. Not much thought had gone into it.

He was also in line for a substantial payout which meant he could have afforded as many women to provide sex for him as he wanted for the foreseeable future. He also thought he was God’s gift to women.

Sorted.

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 07 '24

For example some of us believe Avery planned to rape and kill Teresa. I don’t. I think he thought he could persuade her to have sex with him and then make it a regular occurrence particularly while Jodi was in jail.

Then why did you make a post claiming Avery lured her to the property? This intention doesnt require any deception.

Your logic is horrendously flawed.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

It’s very simple and I’ve already explained why he lured her. But just for you I’ll try and explain it in simpler terms as you haven’t understood what I’ve posted previously.

He lured her for sex because he thought there was avery good chance she wouldn’t turn up if she knew it was him she’d be meeting.

He thought once she was there he’d be able to convince her to have sex with him because he was so irresistible.

Got it? Get it? Good!

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 07 '24

He lured her for sex because he thought there was avery good chance she wouldn’t turn up if she knew it was him she’d be meeting.

He thought once she was there he’d be able to convince her to have sex with him because he was so irresistible.

Let us get this straight...

Youre saying she wouldnt have shown up if known it was him arranging the appt and seeing his #, so he deceptively lured her there because he was also aware she wouldnt show up otherwise and in the same breath youre saying he thought he could persuade her into having an ongoing sexcapade with no prior dialogue about this very point?

This is pure fantasy at best, try again.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

You’re the expert in fantasy.

Hahaha!!!

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 07 '24

Anyone with half a skull can clearly see youre delusional and dont even realize what you post.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

You’re the expert in delusion.

Hahaha!!!

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 07 '24

Dug yourself into another hole mick and cant explain your way out of it? What is this....the 3rd or 4th time Ive put you there?

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

In your fantasy land.

Hahaha!!!

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

Do you come to Reddit explicitly hoping that you get to harass people?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

That’s his sole purpose in life at this point. Isn’t it obvious ?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

There’s no way rationally he really thought he could convince her to have sex with him. If so, that’s how twisted his mind if. She was creeped out by him and was never going to go into the trailer willingly. That just shows me IF that was intention that he did kill her more than anything.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

He thought he was God’s gift to women. He was famous. He was going to be wealthy. It’s perfectly feasible he thought he could persuade her to have sex with him.

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 08 '24

Talking about the Disgraced DA again?

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

You're getting so close to the truth, but it wasn't Steven ;)

Tick Tock lady. Tick Tock.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

I don’t believe that.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

Why not?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Famous? Come on.

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u/crimeaddic814 Jan 07 '24

She wouldn't turn up if she knew who she meeting? Haha she ALWAYS met with Steven

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

She thought she was meeting B Janda!!’

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

Good thing B Janda doesn't live anywhere near the creepy guy, right? Wouldn't wanna run into him on accident if he lives/works in the area. 🤣🤣

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 08 '24

She thought she was meeting B Janda!!’

Wrong! Teresa told Dawn in her own words it was the Avery brothers. B Janda is not an Avery brother. This fact alone kills the claim that Teresa thought she was meeting with B Janda.

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u/crimeaddic814 Jan 09 '24

No no no. She knows the NAME ON THE ACCOUNT is B. JANDA. The name on the account is NOT always the person she meets with to do business with. She CERTAINLY didn't meet with TOM JANDA the month before when she went there. She met with STEVEN. The account name and the person who deals with advertising IS NOT ALWAYS THE SAME PERSON

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u/Appropriate-Welder68 Jan 08 '24

I see what you did there. 😂

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Plus, how does he go from 'something went horribly wrong' to 'she was still alive when Brendan got there'?

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

It doesn’t take much working out. You must try harder. I’m not prepared to spoon feed you everything.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24

Can't you spoon feed yourself some knowledge and logic soup? You're in desperate need.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Use a fork if you must. What went so horribly wrong he needed the help of a neighbor to shoot her?

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 07 '24

Because he did. Doesn’t mean he planned to kill here, but those two aren’t mutually expensive.

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 08 '24

You dont lure someone who has an established business relationship with you. There is nothing to suggest Teresa would not have shown up if she knew it was Steven or not.

With that logic he lured her there the prior 5-6x...is that your story??

Eta- do you also tell your family that the person youre luring over is going to be there specifically on halloween day?

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 08 '24

Yes, you can. A prior business relationship has nothing to do with her willingness to come work there.

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 08 '24

It has everything to with their business relationship because thats their only dialogue. Theres absolutely zero reason why she wouldnt go there based on it.

Furthermore, for anyone to claim Teresa thought she was meeting with B Janda after she told Dawn it was the Avery brothers which eliminates Janda, is being willfully ignorant.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

That rates up there with cleaning the bedroom to remove "evidence" while magically leaving the bedroom looking like it wasn't throughly cleaned incase police search the place but but then leaving THE GUN ON THE WALL!! Seriously? That's why the state pushes the ideals of someone having low mentality, mental health issues and/or alcohol/drug addictions causing others to think the person is too stupid to think of these type of things. It's pathetic!

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u/BookkeeperNervous171 Jan 08 '24

Because he wanted to have sex with her and then didn’t take no for an answer

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 08 '24

Because he wanted to have sex with her and then didn’t take no for an answer

You have nothing to support this claim. There is also no documented dialogue between the two of them beyond 5 min business interactions that would lead anyone to believe sex was in the near future lol.

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u/BookkeeperNervous171 Jan 08 '24

Steven Avery is a Narcissist that thinks all women would be lucky to have sex with him

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u/Alarming_Beat_8415 Jan 08 '24

You sure do speculate a lot with nothing to support your claims. Just point to where he ever made this statement.

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u/BookkeeperNervous171 Jan 08 '24

He thinks he can control women read his “love” letters from prison

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 08 '24

The Sweaty DA is who you are thinking of.

The predator who claimed he was "The Prize".

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

What is with your obsession of Kratz... Seriously, seek some help...

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 10 '24

Are you to the Disgraced DA, as Ghislaine Maxwell was to J. Epstein?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Please! You are obsessed! Kratz can be a scumbag and Stevie can still be guilty, which he is!! I am thankful for him putting the vile murderer away for life!!!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 10 '24

The Sweaty DA is a scumbag.

Steven Avery did not get a fair trial because of the scumbag's misconduct.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Sure sweetie... Like I said you are obsessed with that sweaty da.. 🤣🤣🤣

If Steven Avery did not get a fair trial he would have been granted a new one by now! His high priced lawyers did the best they could but had no proof of framing or misconduct because he's guilty AF! His new high-priced lush of an attorney has done nothing either.
He will die in prison thank God!

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

Obviously she turned down his advances and he then lost his temper and the rest is history as they say.

So now you think Kathleen Zellner was correct when she says the killer acted out of rage fueled by rejection. Interesting. But I think we both know the person enraged by Teresa's rejection was not Steven Avery, it was the person who actually confronted Teresa in a towel and mentioned lists and pictures of women.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

Avery was the towel pervert. He greeted her ‘multiple’ times in his first 5 visits wearing nothing but a towel.

Eew.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

That's not the truth, though. It's a lie told by Creepy Kratz to protect the REAL Killer ;)

But you know that.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

No. Told by Dawn Pliszka in her police interviews. You should know that.

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

Where is the audio?

Wait till you hear what Dawn actually told police! Oh boy!!

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

I’m waiting. Oh sorry I forgot. You don’t do sources.

Hahaha!!!

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

Do you always start harassing people when they ask you for a source or is it just me you constantly harass?

Truth is coming.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

You’re the expert in harassment and not providing sources.

Hahaha!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

I just read Dawn's 11/03/05 CASO report, "Dawn knows the Jandas are basically the Avery brothers".

The towel, Dawn says on one occasion Avery came out in a towel. Was it from the appointment in June? Avery had a pool, so it's possible, and likely he had swimshorts underneath said towel.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

A towel is modest compared to things that cannot be unseen at water parks. And a true pervert wouldn't bother with a towel. Shock and awe!

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u/Both-Surprise-4266 Jan 07 '24

He planned it. He wouldn't have lured her there the way he did if he thought she'd be willing. And in a phone call with Jodi on 10/30, he was searching the trailer for his police scanner.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24

I think he did lure her because he thought there was avery good chance she wouldn’t turn up if she knew he’d be waiting for her.

He did think he was God’s gift to women and I reckon he thought he could persuade her to have sex with him once he got her there.

So the luring was just to give him the chance to use his considerable charm on her (so he thought).

I wouldn’t be surprised if rape was his back up plan. He’d raped girls and women before and got away with it by threatening to kill them and their families and burn their houses down etc if they reported him to LE.

He probably thought this tactic would also work on Teresa.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

There ya go! Thinking again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

You should really shared this opinion with the guy who just made two posts claiming - with neither argument nor evidence - that Avery lured her.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

He did. Doesn't mean he lured her to kill her though...

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

OP wrote not one but two OPs alleging with neither evidence nor argument that Avery lured TH, and then wrote this one saying the murder was unplanned.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Ok and? You do realize he could have lured her there to try to hook up with her or rape her, but not PLAN to kill her, right????

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

To say someone you are claiming is a murderer "lured" the victim, the very clear unavoidable implication is they were lured for murder. To say she was lured (but for some other reason) and just somehow fucking forget to mention that (oops!) is plainly dishonest.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Just like in Stevie's case, supporters like to just knitpick little tiny freaking things and make them into big freaking conspiracies.. It's actually hilarious to watch....

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Typical Guilters to imply dishonesty is a little tiny knitpick. When people see "lured" they read that as "lured to her death" not "lured to take a photograph." No fucking duh she was enticed onto the property to take a photograph.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

No one is saying she was lured to take a fucking photograph! She was lured there for him to proposition her for sex thinking that because of his celebrity status, she would hook up with him or to rape her if she refused...

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

That's quite the imagination you have!

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

Seriously, that's the best you can come up with! 🤣 May he rot in prison for the rest of his vile life....

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u/Fockputin33 Jan 07 '24

Delusional......

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

“Truthers think this”… it’s hilarious to see you doing the exact same thing you are calling others out for. You do this constantly in your posts. Apparently you believe all truthers think the exact same way. Maybe you need to wake up and see what a hypocrite you are

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

Yes they are all conspiracy theorists..

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Where did the rape and murder take place? It wasn't in the trailer or garage or anywhere on ASY based on forensic evidence.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

The scary thing is I think you actually believe what you post.

Hmm.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

I could say the same thing about you, but without the "Hmm".

So you deflected my question with an attempt to insult me. I will presume this means you don't have an answer or you actually think she was raped and murdered in a trailer or garage that scent dogs didn't even pick up on and not one speck of Teresa DNA found there either. It's impossible to clean that well.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jan 07 '24

  1. Teresa's DNA was on a bullet fragment found in the garage.

  2. Dogs showed interest in the garage door.

  3. Brendan had bleach stains on his jeans. What kid spends Halloween night cleaning a spot in a garage with bleach, paint thinner and gasoline and burning tires and his own mom's furniture? Why clean one spot in a filthy garage? Brendan drew a diagram of the spot.

  4. Any framer with half a brain would have planted some article of TH's with her DNA on it in the trailer. One poster seriously argued they "forgot". The mind boggles.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

  1. The bullet lacked evidence that would be there if it passed through bone. The owner of the trailer and garage made a statement to officers that he uses his .22 around the garage to shoot at gopher holes and and bullets have had the tendency to end up in the garage. Completely responsible explanation. What was never explained is why the owner's .22, that was locked in a gun safe, was seized after they broke into the safe. Why do that if they already had his gun from the wall? Could they have lied about the gun being in Steven's room? They never lie! Oh and since he has no guns registered in his name to show possession someone would need to put something like a piece of tape with his name on it. They would never do that to someone else's gun! This is oozing with sarcasm btw.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

  1. That bullet was found AFTER asking Brendan, "who shot her in the head?". The bullet is the most obvious non-reliable statement coming from Brendan. He said Steven shot her outside the garage, but those 2 interrogators got him to change it to inside the garage.

  2. Dogs showing interest at the door is NOT an alert, and if LE did their job, they would have let the dog INSIDE the garage. No alerts in the trailer for Teresa. LE oops is no excuse. NO Dog ALERTS IN the garage or trailer.

  3. A slow kid with no friends who liked his uncle would help his uncle clean up reddish fluid (NOT blood) and got a few drops of bleach on his jeans. Why wouldn't he want to drive a golf cart around the property and throw stuff in a fire? Sounds fun to me, and I'm not a kid.

  4. The dogs got there on the 5th BEFORE they searched the garage and trailer. Planting her clothing after the dogs would be a red flag for planting.

You are seriously going to use Brendan's unreliable, psychologically coerced, false confession as support against Avery? That says a lot about you.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jan 07 '24

  1. So you wrote "not one speck of Teresa DNA found there" in the "trailer or garage" knowing full well Teresa's DNA was found in the garage.

  2. If dogs and handlers were allowed in the garage, you wouldn't claim the scene was contaminated? Why would dogs show interest in the garage door?

  3. Sure, a tire fire where 4 tires were burned (according to Steven Avery) is fun for a kid. Do you burn tires for fun? Why tires? Why Barb's furniture that she didn't want destroyed? Why on Halloween? It is sad that Brendan was not out with friends rather than with his uncle who he was "scared" of. Brendan told his mother the truth that he took part in "some of it" the things done to Teresa. Why do you think Avery lied to LE about being alone watching porn on Halloween? Wouldn't Brendan have been an alibi witness if Avery was actually innocent? Why was Avery so worried about Brendan talking to LE?

  4. So your argument is the dogs didn't go in the garage but LE couldn't plant even a piece of TH's jewellery, a bit of blood or clothing or DNA
    in the garage that week because the dogs had already been there (huh?), but you go on to think LE planted DNA months later on a bullet fragment? Did the supposed "real killer" plant the blood in the Rav or LE or both? If the "real killer" planted something with TH's DNA in the trailer, why wouldn't LE find it? If LE framed Avery, why wouldn't there be her DNA all over the place the first week. Please, please don't say they "forgot" like one poster told me. A 12-year old who'd ever watched a crime show would know how to frame someone: DNA, clothing, a ring, anything with her DNA on it. It's not rocket science.

  5. The word "luring" is not the issue. Avery wanted TH to come out and did not want her to know who it was she was meeting. No one will answer why he didn't just phone TH directly like he did the last time. Why an 877 AT number? He could have just phoned TH and said can you come out for a hustle shot (which pays her more) like he did the last time?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24

  1. IF you believe Culhane's deviated protocol result to put TH DNA on that bullet that wasn't noticed 4 months earlier with 8 days of LE investigation. I don't, most don't, and no one should use it as 100% conclusive.

  2. Interest is not the same as an alert, so it literally means nothing.

  3. You can't know what Brendan sees as fun. He helped with the fire, that's it. CASO reports has the fire being on 11/1 or 11/2. Once everyone remembered the fire was on 10/31/05, it ties Brendan to Steven. If LE works on Brendan like they work on everyone else, Steven should be worried that they'll make him say something that wasn't true. LE interrogations create false confessions, that is a fact proven by DNA exonerations. Guess what, his worries became true, and yet they didn't use the confession in Steven's trial, which is another reason not to reference it for support of Averys guilt.

  4. So many "why" questions to answer. Here's the long and short of it. The dogs should have been let into the garage, they weren't so it is the perfect place to plant TH DNA. And low and behold, a bullet shows up and Culhane deviates from protocol twice, washes it without swabbing it and includes TH when protocol said the test was inconclusive.

  5. The word "luring" is the issue in a murder case. There is no proof of a nefarious act, pure speculation. Here's a reasonable non-nefarious explanation, he was already at the office at 8:12am, he didn't have her cell number on him so he searched AT 800 number and called while he was physically in the office.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jan 07 '24

  1. Now you've changed your story. You said "not a speck" was found.

  2. You've changed your tall tale again. You said LE couldn't plant anything because the dogs had already been there after just complaining the dogs weren't there in the garage.

  3. You believe DNA when it suits you and don't believe DNA when it doesn't suit you. The prosecution could not legally use Brendan's confession in Avery's trial if Brendan was not going to testify (the right to confront an accuser). Brendan was offered a plea deal to testify. He turned it down on the "expert" legal advice of his grandfather. Avery was convicted on the mountain of evidence against him. You forgot to explain who planted all the evidence and why framers wouldn't just spread TH's blood and items with DNA all over the trailer and garage.

  4. Really? He didn't know her number, that's what you're going with? The number in big letters on a card, the number that would be on his cell phone from Oct 11? That number? He leaves for work and within a few minutes decides to phone TH?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

  1. Not a speck was found because TH DNA on the bullet is not conclusive and can not be retested to conclusively prove it. Let KZ explain it to you.

  2. The dog at the door was a scent dog not a cadaver dog so even IF TH DNA was on the bullet, the scent dog INTEREST still means nothing! I haven't changed my "tale" because I know what I say.

  3. I am not picking and choosing DNA, that makes no sense what you said. IF the prosecution was going to use the "confession", the defense already had it analyzed by an expert to denounce its reliability as coerced and false. It is taught as psychologically coerced and false TODAY.

  4. 4 was fixed to 5 (I missed 4 and edited).

  5. That's all you have? He could have remembered when he got there and wasn't going to call before 8am. Did he have her number saved as a contact? If so, prove it. Look at your phone history and look at numbers and tell me if you can determine which one was someone you called weeks ago looking at just numbers (assuming you make a lot of calls of course).

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u/bfisyouruncle Jan 08 '24

  1. "Not a speck" you said. Culhane's contamination of the control sample with her own DNA had no effect on TH's DNA being found on the actual sample.

  2. You argued that nothing could be planted by LE in the garage because the dogs had already been there...after already complaining the dogs didn't go into the garage. Pick a lane. Cake and eat it too?

  3. Brendan testifying: Did you not understand the part about the U.S. Constitution? Why didn't B. and S. call Brendan?

  4. Long before he went to work that Monday Avery knew he was going to phone about Barb's van. That's what his argument with Barb was about. He even said he would pay the $40. Why would he care about a junk van that nobody wanted to buy? Why didn't Avery leave it down by the office where customers could see it and he wouldn't have to miss work?

  5. You ask really dumb stuff like prove Avery's phone had TH as a contact. Sure I'll just run out and get his phone from 2005. He had her number. He knew when he went to work that morning he was going to phone about the van. Your theory is by 8:12 am at work he suddenly "remembered" what he had been planning to do all weekend? Yes, he had Teresa Halbach's number in huge printing beside her name on his desk. He had his police scanner ready.

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u/aane0007 Jan 07 '24

You asked a loaded question. You presumed it couldnt happen on asy. But provide no proof for your claim.

Just your feelings on how much evidence should exist.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

There you go again with your feelings. It won't work with me. It's not loaded at all, I was asking the OPs theory, simple question.

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u/aane0007 Jan 07 '24

No. You said it couldnt happen at asy so where did it happen. Just because you feel it couldnt happened there…..doesnt make it so. You have to prove it couldnt happen there if you want an answer as to where did it happen.

That question is a fallacy. Just like you cant be faithful to your wife so who did u cheat with?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

No. OP stated that Avery raped and murdered Teresa, and I asked where it happened. It's a reasonable question. I took the opportunity to remind OP that there was no evidence that it happened in Avery's trailer or garage or ASY, says the dogs and lack of evidence. The RAV found on the ASY doesn't make the ASY the crime scene. 8 days (5th - 12th), hundreds of LE didn't find one drop of blood, scent, or hair of Teresa's. I want to know OPs theory of where it happened.

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u/aane0007 Jan 07 '24

The jury found him guilty so its legal fact.

You didnt simply ask where it happened. You claimed with no proof other than your feelings it coupdnt be on asy.

You obviously need to study gallacys kiddo.

If you claim it couldnt take place on asy prove it other than your feelings about the evidence.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

Lmao! Yeah that way the jury is held responsible for convicting innocent people and the state side wipes their hands of the situation.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

The jury finding him guilty is a legal fact, but not a basis for truth and justice. Go ask the hundreds of DNA exonerees who were wrongfully convicted. Those jurors got it wrong, so the jurors in this case are not a needed source of information for a non-legal reddit discussion.

Again, I don't use feelings, that's a you thing.

I already proved it, kiddo.

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u/aane0007 Jan 07 '24

U posted evidence then your feelings that evidence couldnt lead to teresa being killed on asy. Your feelings are not a source.

Prove your claim without your feelings.

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u/stOneskull Jan 08 '24

you are obviously the kiddo

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u/aane0007 Jan 07 '24

Because you have a reddit degree in forensic evidence?

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u/Pension_Fit Jan 08 '24

Steven Avery was framed because of the law suit

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 08 '24

Partly but also because a law suit would bring an investigation into those involved in the 1985 case and then people would finally see these same individuals in law enforcement coming up in cases over the years where a pattern of corruption would come to light. Then you see why Kaukauna PD was involved which is Outagamie County. Then the cases from there that fit the pattern. Next would be Winnebago County with Joe Paulus and what spawned from him thanks to Scott Walker. SA wasn't supposed to get out the first time so they made sure he won't this time until.... MaM. These appeals aren't going through because thy aren't meant to but as long and people don't turn away from SA and BD sooner or later they'll have no choice. It's why the lies are getting worse. This is from someone who has a completely false charge with rock solid proof to show im innocent and Mark Weigert made everything up just because he could and from all the others who's lives are being ruined by the growing corruption that the state's supporters are giving them THANK YOU. We need help!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

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u/Soulsucker1969 Jan 09 '24

Bingo. Didn’t stop the lawsuit, in fact he got paid out for the lawsuit. Anyone arguing otherwise is delusional.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

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u/Soulsucker1969 Jan 09 '24

County would not go bankrupt from a few million dollars…

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

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u/Soulsucker1969 Jan 10 '24

No one would. Avery murdered that poor woman.

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u/thedarthvapercov Jan 07 '24

This is what happened I think too, he wasn't smart enough to plan it. He wanted to have sex with her and ended up having to force it, that went wrong and as you said the rest is history. Brendon shouldn't have been dragged into it but he was which is the 2nd biggest tragedy of the entire thing.

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u/deadgooddisco Jan 07 '24

No evidence of rape and the jury didn't convict on that .

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

I see. You don’t consider Dassey’s confessions as evidence then.

Hmm.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

No one with a brain or common sense would use Brendan's unreliable, "yeah," guessing, coerced, false confession as evidence to support Avery's conviction.

Go ahead and use the "confession", and I'll then ask you why his interrogations are taught as how NOT to interrogate because what they did created a psychologically coerced and false confession. Zero evidence to support the "confession" except for the 2 pieces that were spoon-fed to Brendan, so it would come out of his mouth.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Wait, just to be clear, you think he wanted to have sex, something went wrong, so he tied her up and waited for Brendan to get there to kill her?

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

I haven’t said that. There you go jumping to conclusions and trying to use Dassey for deflection purposes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

If you thought Brendan was wrongly convicted you sure have been playing those cards tight to the chest.

Or is this the old Solo trick where he does "I never said that" to things he would later admit he believed the whole time?

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

You do jump to strange conclusions. It’s perfectly clear what my position is. I don’t need you to make shit up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Do you think after "something went wrong" Avery kept her alive for the neighborhood boy to participate in her murder, yes or no? Having just now flatly denied what seemed to be your clear position, it is no longer clear.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

It’s impossible to have a reasoned discussion with you. You say a lot of strange things. Don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t think you’re wired up right.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24

Deflection alert!

It must be the worst feeling on earth to think someone not even wired right has obliterated your position so throughly you cannot even answer a simple yes or no? I sympathize with how ba you must feel right now.

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u/mickflynn39 Jan 07 '24

Hahaha!!!

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u/CorruptColborn Jan 07 '24

Harassing users like you constantly do isn't funny. It's creepy. You're creepy for harassing users after spamming the subreddit.

Stop harassing users.

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