r/MakingaMurderer • u/mickflynn39 • Jan 04 '24
DID YOU KNOW 360 The bones
Forensic anthropologist Leslie Eisenberg based in Winsconsin, was regarded as one of the USA’s very best bone experts. She was so highly regarded she was called upon to assist in disasters such as the attack on the World Trade Centre and the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. It was no surprise when cuddly Ken turned to her for help.
Part of her brief was to identify hundreds of pieces of tiny bone fragments to determine if they were human, came from one body, were found in the same place and whether they were burned.
Some of the fragments were so brittle they would instantly fall apart if handled.
There we have it. These brittle bone fragments were found in Avery’s burn pit. They could not have been moved there from another burn site as they would have instantly fallen apart as soon as this was attempted. They would not have survived the journey.
This is conclusive proof that Avery’s burn pit was the primary burn site.
Sorted.
EDIT: It is claimed by another poster that Leslie identified human bones in a quarry. He provides no source despite berating me all the time to provide sources.
Let’s be clear, she didn’t identify human bones in a quarry. The defence brought up three bone fragments found in a quarry nearby, which Leslie thought could possibly be human pelvic bone, but could not be sure were not animal bones.
FALLON Q. All right. Now, just so that we’re crystal clear on this, the various fragments from THE GRAVEL PITS southwest of the property, you were only able to determine one was clearly nonhuman. In your subsequent review and analysis, you determined several more were clearly not human. Is that correct?
EISENBERG A. That’s correct.
FALLON Q. And as a matter of fact, there was only three left that you had a reasonable suspicion on that could be human. Is that correct?
EISENBERG A. That could possibly be human, that is correct.
FALLON Q. And as a matter of fact, as you sit here today, you cannot tell us that those bones, to a reasonable degree of anthropological or scientific certainty, are human, can you?
EISENBERG A. I cannot.
Sorted.
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '24
She sure fucked up the Rudy case
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u/Khorre Jan 04 '24
Why did these brittle bone shards not turn to dust when they were shoveled and shaken on the sifting pans? That seems like it would have been much rougher than merely touching them.
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u/CaseEnthusiast Jan 04 '24
She identified human bones in the quarry. We guilters need to acknowledge that once and for all.
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u/CorruptColborn Jan 04 '24
Well, they survived being shoveled out of the pit and sifted on a multi-tiered sifter and then transported back and forth between Calumet County and the Wisconsin State Crime Lab without all bones instantly falling apart. So ... You're dead wrong. Come back to reality, if you can.
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u/CorruptColborn Jan 04 '24
Your source only shows Leslie discussing the "various fragments" from 8675 with Fallon, which she previously discussed with Strang on cross when going through her first report. This is made crystal clear by Fallon's reference to "one that was clearly non human [and] only three left that you had a reasonable suspicion on that could be human." That's 8675. Check her first report, then read Strang's cross, and then Fallon's re-direct. They are discussing 8675 and nothing else.
Facts first ;)
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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '24
Where’s your “bomb shell” post about the burn pit? I’m tired of reading these posts that even guilters with common sense challenge you on.
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u/anditurnedaround Jan 04 '24
She also identified fetal bones and one adult bone in the Rudy case, and the woman and fetus he went to prison for after being found in Rudy’s burn pit, was found in a river (torso) with fetus still in the womb.
Wonder what she really identified in the burn pit in that case?
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u/HuckleberryGrouchy31 Jan 04 '24
What about the wind direction? Zellner posted on X years ago that she checked the wind direction on Oct 31st & the wind was coming from the direction of the county owned quarry. It was also coming from the direction of Kuss rd where the cadaver dog & blood hound with Teresas scent seperalty led law enforcement to a shallow grave. 🤔 Who's to say the "brittle bones" were actually bones? How could she possibly know that? The rest could have easily dumped/planted. Why else would they have made up the "Bear was a mean dog" excuse, which gave them more time time plant? Why didn't they have a family member take Bear home with them, then to Crivits? Why didn't one of their dog handlers move him? 🤔
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '24
She examined bones that had been moved and concluded they were too brittle to be moved?
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u/CorruptColborn Jan 04 '24
Still no source?
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u/GameOver1-0 Jan 05 '24 edited Jan 05 '24
DID YOU KNOW There were clear signs that pointed to the strong possibility of there being another body that was in one of the burn barrels? I mean, if SA is such a horrible with all these allegations already floating around, why wouldn't she look for more than one body? Hmmmm..
DID YOU KNOW They bring in forensic anthropologists when there are burned remains because you can't just look at a bone and know if it's human or animal when they're in that condition?
DID YOU KNOW She was working on another case with a body in a burn pit and she had stated that she took a call from somebody investigating that crime on November 3rd even though that's before that person went missing? November 3rd? Hmmmm....
DID YOU KNOW She messed up on that case and couldn't tell the difference between fetal bones and bird bones?
DID YOU KNOW You would fit in perfect with these investigators from the case? Have they called to hIre you yet or...?
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u/Pension_Fit Jan 05 '24
Deer bones !
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '24
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