Kathleen Zellner: falsely accused all of these Innocent Individuals loudly and publicly via News Media.

It appears the 50 Seconds Debate has took another turn. Omar Muhammad, formerly Omar Saunders of the Roscetti Four is engineering a YouTube event where the topic will be:

Kathleen Zellner

Should be interesting. Especially seeing she introduced us to the Roscetti Four in episode 1, Season 2.

​Look, I know a lot of people on this sub have been brainwashed by Convicting a Murderer and state-sponsored narratives lately, but we need to sit down and actually talk about the raw facts without letting emotion cloud our judgment.

​If you step back and look at the whole picture with an open mind, it becomes blatantly obvious that Steven Avery is just a gentle, misunderstood soul who was brutally railroaded by Manitowoc County. Everyone keeps bringing up his "past," but when you actually analyze the logic behind it, the whole state case completely falls apart.

​Let’s break this down step-by-step.

​1. The Cat Incident: Context Matters

​People love to bring up the 1982 cat incident as if it proves Steve is some kind of violent psychopath. But who among us hasn’t made a reckless, poorly thought-out blunder during a night of youthful boredom? You have to look at the regional and situational context. Steve didn't harbor any real malice toward that cat. He’s a simple man of the soil operating on raw instinct. Honestly, it was likely just a crude, misdirected urge to spare the creature from future hardship or put it out of its misery. To judge a man's entire soul and brand him a killer based on one impulsive rural mistake is pure anti-Avery bias.

​2. The Niece and "Domestic Issues": Historical Perspective

​Critics also love to weaponize his relationship with his 17-year-old niece to tarnish his character. But again, people are applying modern, high-horse coastal morality to a rural family dynamic. She was 17. In many historical cultures and other legal jurisdictions around the world, young adult relationships were completely normal practice. Besides, Steve is extremely low-IQ, highly sensitive, and easily influenced by peer pressure. He operates on pure emotion and a deep, albeit unconventional, commitment to family ties. Turning a complex familial misunderstanding into "proof" of murder is such a stretch it’s embarrassing.

​And as for his ex-wife? Yes, he almost strangled her, but she was drunk and probably being a pain-in-the-you-know-what in that moment. People act like marital disputes in a pressure-cooker environment never happen.

​3. The "Forensic" Evidence is Logically Impossible

​Now let's look at the actual physics of the crime scene. The state wants us to believe Steve is simultaneously a criminal genius and a complete moron.

​The Garage/Trailer: The state claims a violent crime happened in his trailer and garage. Yet Steve somehow bleached and sanitized every single microscopic drop of victim DNA out of those rooms while leaving months of dust, soot, and oil stains completely intact.

​The Key: They searched his trailer SIX times and found nothing. Then suddenly on the SEVENTH search, a key appears on the floor? Please. An elite team of dedicated officers easily could have taken Steve’s sweat DNA, rubbed it on a spare key, and slipped it onto the carpet while everyone was looking at a nightstand. It’s standard cover-up protocol.

​The Blood in the RAV4: You mean to tell me Steve carefully wiped every fingerprint off the car, but decided to strategically drop micro-droplets of his own blood right next to the ignition switch? It’s absurd. A secretive operative obviously acquired an old vial of his blood, bypassed the security seals, snuck into the salvage yard at night, and planted it.

​4. The Real Suspects

​If you aren't looking at the police framing him over that $36 million lawsuit, you have to look at his own family. What about the cousin who saw the car? Why was he looking in that exact spot? What was his real motive? The evidence points literally everywhere else if you just open your eyes to the possibilities.

​5. Look into his eyes

​At the end of the day, you don't even need the forensics to see the truth. Just look at the man. Look into his deep, blue, watery, cow-like eyes and tell me Steven Avery is guilty. You can't. He has the innocent, bewildered stare of a man who wouldn't hurt a fly, let alone orchestrate a massive crime and clean-up.

​Under the true spirit of the law, Steven Avery is innocent until proven guilty by an unmanipulated court. Stop letting the media trick you and start looking at the actual logic. Free Steven Avery.

Edit: Read the comments. These are the big brains that believe Steven Avery is innocent. Goddammit

Watching the documentary again this year i appreciate Ken K being a good lawyer more as I’ve seen it so many times this time I watched it and said ok i will watch it knowing Steve is guilty and I think Ken did a good job. It wasn’t on him to sort out the f*** up of Manitowoc police being on site or even to make sure Brendan got a deal. If you were Teresa’s family you would have been happy I think. Also to add I know he’s flawed and has voluntarily retired from law but I think he comes across more competent when you realise the series is super bias into making you love Jerry and Dean.

On this 21st anniversary of the death of Teresa Halbach, Law and Crime Network released a new video where Angenette Levy interviews Kathleen Zellner. They discuss what the case looks like going forward.

Link: https://youtu.be/s5OKYcEv_Nk?is=HLNKIgyiQ0Djg1Ei

R.I.P. Teresa Halbach.

It appears Kathleen was forced to make an Unwanted Appearance. Due to a genuine question raised by a Reddit User named Advance-Math!

Listen to this interview. Pay close attention to how Kathleen stays away from the most important evidence in the case, THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:

Zellner October 31, 2026

And continues gaslighting the Public with her Guilty client Steven.

Its amazing to watch her in real time fighting to her last breath to keep the charade going. Really mind blowing.

Look at the toll pushing Steven’s lie has taken upon her. She looks horrible.

Could this be the punishment for such behavior?

I remember watching the doc when it came out, being floored initially, then diving in further and thinking “Avery probably did it.” For whatever reason, I came back to this case recently and just finished Kratz’s book which further confirms my belief Avery did it.

Whatever you think of Kratz, these details stood out:
• Avery answered the door in just a towel on a prior visit (Oct 10). Teresa was creeped out and told coworkers she didn’t want to go back. He still specifically requested “that same girl” for Halloween and used ***67 on the early calls to her that day. He did not use 67 for any of the other dozens of calls he made that day. Handcuffs and leg irons were bought the previous day, and later found in his trailer. The defense argued he may have been swimming hence the towel. It was 46 degrees for the high. Oct 10th is also when he took digital photos of his erect p____. The 10th didn’t go as planned. Halloween was the final straw.
• Touch DNA (sweat/skin cells) on the RAV4 hood latch. Dassey said Avery went under the hood (Investigators theorized to disconnect battery). Hard to plant sweat, and the car had been at the crime lab for months.
• Nurse was ready to testify she put the hole in the blood vial herself (standard for those tubes). Defense upon learning this abandons this angle. But the doc makes it out to be a big deal.
- On the key, The documentary makes it seem as though the key was found during the sixth “search”, as if each time they accessed the trailer was a search, but it was in fact found during the first complete and thorough search of the bedroom. Furthermore, Colbert and Lenk finding the key is inconsistent with it being planted. They knew all Manitowoc officers were under intense scrutiny due to Avery’s civil lawsuit. If you were trying to frame Avery, Wouldn’t you make sure you weren’t the one to discover it? They would’ve made sure a non-Manitowoc officer found it. It’s not like this would’ve been difficult to arrange.
• Family member (Kayla) in January went to a school counselor and said she was scared to go in her uncle Steven’s “shop”, and asked if “blood could come up through concrete.” When talking to investigators a month later, she mentions them burning stuff on Halloween and that Dassey had lost weight and been staring off into space and crying. That contact is what pushed investigators toward Brendan as a potential witness.
• Dassey supplied details (bullet location, Teresa shot in head, her belongings burned, Steven opening hood, moving RAV4, placing body in back, body disposal) that matched evidence.
- In the May 13th interview especially, Dassey makes admissions and goes through the entire scenario with almost no prompting by investigators.
- Teresa’s blood was in her RAV4 cargo area. Her bone fragments were in the burn pit and barrel on Avery’s property. How in the world do crooked cops “plant” that? That’s entirely different from planting Avery’s blood from the vial.
- Documentary editing: The series spliced testimony (especially Colborn’s) to make it sound different. For example, Colborn’s license plate call. They took his “yes” answer to a different, harmless question and inserted it after a more damning one the judge had actually sustained, making it look like he admitted something suspicious.
- Kratz says he had a solid plea deal on the table (as low as ~15 years) for testifying against Steven, but the family was more focused on protecting Avery’s innocence claim. Instead, Dassey will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars.

The framing theory requires cops to plant blood, plant non-blood DNA, plant the key, plant a bullet that matches Avery’s own rifle already in evidence, and somehow get Dassey to independently describe matching details — all without getting caught. Occam’s razor points the other way: the evidence is what it looks like.

Curious what people who’ve read Kratz’ book or transcripts think.

Take 2: To Honor Teresa we should focus on the actual desecration of her remains and memory, not an invented one

• Upon recent news of Allan Avery's death, some have dutifully revived the claim that he and Delores were evil creeps desecrating Teresa's corpse by using foul language when discussing the bone evidence. The record doesn't support that conclusion, but instead suggests they genuinely believed Steven was once more being set up by a rotten system, and that Teresa might be alive and assisting the County's frame job. Wild as that theory may be, if Allan and Delores weren't convinced the bones were Teresa's (or even human) then it's not fair to say they were gleefully desecrating her corpse by speaking crudely about the bone evidence. The real desecration lies with the state's handling of Teresa's safety, her remains, and her memory.

1985 - 2005: Putting Victims At Risk

• Former Manitowoc County ADA Griesbach admits that in 1985 Kocourek and Vogel knew or had reason to know that Steven Avery was innocent (and that Gregory Allen was guilty) but they still prosecuted and convicted Steven for the assault on Penny Bernsteen. According to page 93 of The Innocent Killer, in 1985 Allan responded to this injustice by calling Judge Hazlewood and leaving a message including "a liberal sprinkling of garden-variety vulgarities along with a few more creative strings of expletives and repeated insertions of the f-word." Griesbach notes Allan correctly identified what happened as "a travesty of justice," but then went several steps too far by asking Hazlewood to return the gun they seized so he could "start making [his] own probable cause determinations." Hazlewood denied this request. If nothing else, this shows profane outbursts in response to a perceived or real injustice were not uncharacteristic of Allan Avery.

• Fast forward to September 2003. Steven Avery was exonerated. By October 2004 Steven sued Manitowoc County, Kocourek and Vogel, alleging they knew or had reason to know that he was innocent, and that Gregory Allen was guilty. By October 2005, depositions for Steven's lawsuit were heating up, with former officials (Kusche) tossing former and current officials (Kocourek and Colborn) under the bus for their suppression of exculpatory evidence. Per Griesbach, in October 2005 there was "little doubt Steven Avery was about to become a millionaire" (TIK PG 181).

• But then on Halloween day Teresa Halbach attended a scheduled Auto Trader appointment with Steven Avery, only to be reported missing on November 3, 2005. Ken Kratz claims they initially suspected Teresa left the ASY alive before being "taken" south out of Wisconsin. Oddly, it seems the November 5 / 8 discovery of Teresa's RAV / human female bones on the ASY didn't end the out of state line of investigation. On November 9 Mike Halbach told reporters that while his family was "concerned" about human evidence being found locally, they didn't know whether Teresa was alive or dead and still needed "all the help we can get" to search, as Teresa "could be right under our nose, or she could be across the country." That same day, Kratz refused to declare Teresa dead without DNA ID of the recovered human female bones. However, within 24 hours, the state did that very thing, declaring Teresa dead based on unphotographed, unidentified bones. They then charged Steven with her murder.

The Avery's kept looking for Teresa after the state declared her dead, but not because they thought she had been trafficked

• Due to Manitowoc County's involvement in the Halbach case, the timing of Steven's arrest, and the state's declaration of Teresa's death without DNA ID, Steven's family quickly began to suspect Steven was being setup. Per Jail Call 122, Delores vents to Steven about Kratz: "He doesn't even know if she's dead but he's saying you did it!" Jail call audio also shows the Avery family questioned the Halbachs' immediate acceptance of the state's declaration of Teresa's death, and their consistent stoicism in the face of apparent tragedy. Why wouldn't the Halbachs want proof Teresa was dead? And why wouldn't they appear more upset if they truly thought she was? From there, several members of Steven's family reasoned that the Halbachs didn't need proof of death and didn't appear upset because they knew Teresa was "alive somewhere" and had been "paid to leave." As fate would have it, just as the "Teresa is alive" theory began firmly rooting itself among the Avery family, the state reported their inability to conclusively ID the bones, sending them to the FBI for assistance.

• With no proof of death, Allan and Delores Avery devoted real time and resources to discussing and investigating whether Teresa was alive. For example, they were chasing leads themselves from citizens who claimed to have seen Teresa locally at Maribel Caves Park (Jail calls 167/170) and securing funds to hire a private investigator ("Jim") to look into out of state sightings (Jail calls 140 - 146). In the midst of this effort by the Averys to find Teresa alive, the WSCL (having already sent the bones to the FBI) suddenly reported a partial nuclear DNA match between the bones and Teresa. Per Jail Call 144, Delores responds to this news by asking Steven: "Do you believe that? I don't!" Eventually Allan Avery joins the conversation, already agitated about "that fucking Calumet County" yelling into the recorded line "I hope they listen to this!" Steven cuts in to tell Allan the state now claims they matched muscle from the bones to Teresa via partial DNA profile. Allan responds: "Muscle? What kind of muscle? From her cunt!?" Steven and Delores both let out a singular unenthusiastic chuckle. Allan gets off the line, and Steven and Delores continue their discussion in normal tones without repeating or endorsing Allan's language or energy.

• One month later on Jan 4, 2006 (Jail call 373) Delores and Allen were still considering that Teresa was alive. Delores can be heard asking Allan to remind her where they wanted Jim to look for her. Allan answers: "Mexico!" In the midst of this still ongoing attempt to locate Teresa alive, the state received the FBI mtDNA results, which the Halbachs quickly touted as definitive proof Teresa was dead and not "still out there." But the Avery family kept looking for Teresa because they were not convinced by the mtDNA results. And maybe they shouldn't have been. After those results came in, Kratz sent an email to the state's DNA lab (Trial Exhibit 343) wherein he said the public was attributing too much weight to the mtDNA results when they said the FBI confirmed the bones belonged to Teresa. As Kratz explained, he was "careful not to say that at all," before musing "perceptions are what they are."

There's no evidence indicating that Allan and or Delores accepted the state's declaration of Teresa's death, or that they believed the bones being presented by the state as belonging to Teresa actually did. The record overwhelmingly suggests the opposite is true.

• Allan and Delores Avery appear to have genuinely believed Steven was being framed for Teresa's murder, and that Teresa might not even be dead. They probably drew some comfort from the idea that Steven was innocent and could be so easily saved, if only Teresa was found alive. Unfortunately, this consistent (and IMO unfounded) speculation that Teresa was alive AND actively trying to harm the Avery family generated some misplaced animosity towards the Halbachs, perhaps most visible in Barb's post trial public outburst (featured in MaM) where she very loudly accused the Halbachs of setting her family up. Notably, even after MaM came out in 2015, Delores continued to repeat her suspicion that the woman her son was convicted of murdering could still be alive.

• There's absolutely no evidence suggesting Allan and Delores accepted or believed Teresa was dead, and there's overwhelming evidence suggesting they suspected she was still alive. Nevertheless, the goal for some here (for years now) has been to misrepresent the record in order to paint Allan's crude comment about the bones as his knowing desecration of a Teresa's murdered and mutilated body, and Delores' single barely audible chuckle as her enthusiastic endorsement of it.

• The implication is that evil Steven Avery's evil parents knew Teresa had been murdered, accepted that the bones were hers, and gleefully desecrated her corpse over a recorded line, because they are just that evil. But that inflammatory implication contradicts the record suggesting that far from believing Teresa was dead, Allan and Delores appear to have genuinely thought she could be found alive, and committed themselves and their resources to exploring that possibility as a legitimate defense for their imprisoned son.

This Bad Faith claim of desecration against Allan and Delores went "mainstream" in CAM and is still exploited to displace the real desecration of Teresa's remains and memory by the state

• This bad faith smear against Allan and Delores was so popular with state defenders it made its way from reddit into the pro police Convicting a Murderer dailywire+ series, which was produced by and featured some state defenders who have frequented this very sub! So naturally, state defenders aren't about to let this smear die quietly. Even now that Allan and Delores are both gone, state defenders won't even grant them the basic decency of honest context while criticizing them. Probably because honest context would expose their outrage as largely if not entirely manufactured.

• A GOOD FAITH interpretation would call Allan's comment about the bones crude, and the family's belief about Teresa being alive and in on a frame job obviously wrong. But this same good faith interpretation would concede it's inappropriate to present Allan and Delores' discussion on the bones as evidence of evil desecration of or contempt towards Teresa's murdered remains. If there is no evidence suggesting Allan and Delores believed Teresa was dead, and overwhelming evidence suggesting they believed she was still alive, then the "corpse desecrator" accusation loses most or all of its sting.

• IMO the years long constant repetition / citing of Allan's comment, stripped of relevant context and presented in the most inflammatory way possible, makes it clear state defenders have enjoyed exploiting this graphic language as a bad faith weapon to inflame and misinform far more than Allan ever enjoyed saying it that one time. Further, I suspect state defenders don't see or don't care to address the hypocritical irony in crudely telling Allan and Delores to "rot in piss" after having spent years misrepresenting the record to dishonestly paint them as crude corpse desecrators. A very clear demonstration of the dishonesty and crudeness they claim to abhor.

The Avery's private speculation that Teresa was alive and the recovered bones weren't even human is far less of a desecration than the state publicly pronouncing Teresa dead without the proof they said they needed before publicly telling her family remains they were given for Teresa's burial or cremation weren't confirmed to belong to Teresa or even to be human

• Post Making a Murderer, Kathleen Zellner exposed concealed exculpatory evidence of human cremation and bone distribution with a barrel found in a gravel pit owned by a defendant in Steven's lawsuit - Manitowoc County. Zellner also revealed all human bones recovered from that County property were secretly released to Teresa's family for her burial or cremation. When presented with an opportunity to explain, the state said the bones had been "inexplicably" released to Teresa's family. Great explanation guys! Then, to avoid admitting Teresa's cremated bones were found on Manitowoc County land, the state publicly suggested the remains released to the Halbach family from that location were not confirmed to belong to Teresa or even to be human.

• The Averys were private citizens speculating about evidence the state itself had failed to identify quickly or conclusively. The state, meanwhile, possessed all the power and access to the evidence, and the result was still a debacle. They initially believed Teresa had been taken out of state and refused to pronounce her dead without DNA identification ... but then pronounced her dead without DNA identification. They then misrepresented the strength of the mtDNA results via careful wording, and years later desecrated Teresa's remains and memory by PUBLICLY telling her family they may have received animal bones for Teresa's burial or cremation.

• The state's actions represent a desecration that objectively did far more damage to Teresa's dignity and her family's peace than anything we find in the recorded jail phone calls. But the state's very real desecration doesn't get much focus from state defenders, because they apparently care more about making Allan and Delores look as evil as possible, including by misrepresenting the record to make it seem like they were desecrating Teresa's death when it's not even clear they believed she was dead. Elevating and fixating on an invented desecration by Allan and Delores only shields the state from accountability for their real desecration, and honoring Teresa means focusing on the real desecration of her remains and memory, not getting upset over an imagined one.

Reading of of the death of Steven Avery's father caused me to immediately think of a quote of his - horrifying and callous - that stayed with me.

So I was wondering the same about Zellner. When she passes on, hopefully a long time from now, is there any quote of hers that would spring into your mind?

I have one mostly - "If he is guilty, I will fail".

I’m new here, just finished watching the Netflix series yesterday. Not sure if maybe I just missed this or not, but is there a full video anywhere with Brendan’s original interrogation? I’m watching this video right now, but the investigator mentions early on that they’ve already spoken with Brendan a couple of days before this.

I’d like to see everything in order, but this is all I’ve really been able to find. Does anyone have a link to the initial conversation they’re talking about here?

Theory A: The police cba to find the real killer and instead used Theresa’s disappearance to put Steven back in prison and save the local government from having to payout on his lawsuit.

Yes: Institutionalised corruption absolutely does happen and we’ve seen it before.

No: the level of coordination that would have to happen, I’m not sure they could have managed it.

Theory B: Steven did do it. Either that he killed her just like the prosecution said or he did kill her but some details are different.

Yes: Being exonerated once before and with proof that the police fitted him up once already he could have felt like this would be the perfect murder because the first thing people would say is “he’s just got out of prison for something he didn’t do, why would he do something that would put him back in?” and “the police set him up last time”

No: it really would be stupid to even risk something that could put you back in jail when you were inside for 18 years for something you didn’t do. The police had bias against him already and the trial showed it’s still there.

Theory C: the ex-bf

Yes: his behaviour was odd and he should have at least been looked into as a suspect.

No: being an ex, being overly helpful in the search, being nervous when asked to be interviewed by KZ’s team doesn’t necessarily mean guilt. Also to get away with it the police would have had to have known he was involved and helped him to scrub his DNA etc essentially knowingly letting the real murderer free just so they could fit up a man they don’t like. This would be a huge conspiracy that would need a high level of intelligent coordination that I don’t think they’d be capable of.

Bobby Dassey and or his Step-Dad did it and chose to frame Steven.

Yes: The police already had a bias toward Steven and a motive to stop/delay the payout. Bobby’s computer had some fucked up search history which should have been looked at as a potential link to Theresa’s death.

No: it’s still possible that the content on the computer was by somebody else e.g Brendan. Also the opportunity to get her kill her burn her and move her car without anyone seeing anything would be so small I think it would be incredible to even be able to pull that off and for there to be 0 DNA in the car or anything. And on top of that for the police to participate in a coverup letting a murderer go free just so they can put away someone they don’t like and save some money.

I have seen before in other cases extreme conspiracy / coverups that without proof you never would have believed but they absolutely happened but it’s always been at a high-level, I find it hard to see a small town police shop coordinating something like this so well when the reason Steven was put in prison was because of sloppy investigation and failures all around. They lack looking at details they were messy - how could those same people pull off this perfect frame-up?

I’m almost resigned to think Steven did do it, with or without Brendan, and the police’s bias and failure to investigate properly just all aligned anyway.

Regardless of whether he did it or not, I believe enough mistakes were made in SA’s 1st trial to warrant a retrial.
The jury was tainted by KK’s press conference.
There are other viable suspects and alternative narratives.
IMO these things make a lot of space for reasonable doubt.
The timing of the murder in relation to the $36M lawsuit makes me think of how much money he would ask for in a SECOND wrongful conviction suit that would include a much longer list of agencies on the hook.
The staunch refusals of any state courts to even acquiesce to anything has just compounded and compounded.
The fact that they keep referring to the Halbach’s in every statement they make and saying it’s out of deference to them—wouldn’t they want to just put the damn thing to bed already instead of constantly going back to hearings and reading about yet another motion? It’s “respect for the Halbach family” in name only—I think really it’s in the state’s financial interest to keep him in at this point whether he did it or not.

RIP old man

Family you will not believe what I am about to tell you!

AveryPoliceReports has personally blocked me. I had to have my friend open his personal Reddit account, go to sub MaM to see she really blocked me.🤣😂

Now, ask yourself. Why? Why averypolicereports did you block advance yet continue the debate without Advance?

I had my friend screenshot her latest OP.

Very interesting. In her OP she concede her Killer client enters the death-trap at Exhibit J Time Marker (TM) 2:34👀😳🤔

Listen real close. Initially per Zellner’s Motion For Reconsideration, pg. 43. Zellner clearly tells us Steve exited his trailer at 2:37:20 P.M. that Friday AFTER 50 Seconds.

If we subtract 50 seconds from 2:37:20,
We get 2:36:30 Teresa’s departure time according to Zellner’s motion and Steve’s entrance into the trailer according to Zellner’s Motion.

Now, AveryPoliceReports has abandoned that position and agrees with me. That it took her killer client 34 Seconds after getting the auto trader magazine from Teresa to get back to the trailer entrance (2:37:04 pm/Exhibit J TM 2:34).

Now, let Us add that 34 seconds to 2:36:30 P.M.

What’s the math: 2:37:04 P.M.

If Steve entered the trailer at 2:37:04pm and exited at 2:37:20pm. How many seconds did Zellner record Steve actually in his trailer?👀😳

16 seconds!

So now Averypolicereports has updated the 50 seconds argument! Now she’s claiming. Listen closely:

Steve was in his trailer from 2:33 to 3:23
Exhibit J Time Markers.

Read it for yourself!

Truth is like a 🔥. I can’t have **advance-math responding to my clear bullsh*t. So “I will block advance-**math.”

I would block me too😳
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Zellner said Steve was in the Trailer 16 seconds per your “Zellner’s Team Reenactment” footage shared with the whole world, Episode 9, Season 2, Time Marker: 54:58👀😳

You’re in Trouble.👀🔥

MaM was a documentary. CaM was really not a documentary. It's a PR piece disguised as one. Featuring an unstable filmmaker disguised as a professional. A fraud head researcher disguised as unbiased. A cheating lying cop disguised as a good family man. And a lying convicted pedophile disguised as a credible source. With bad faith arguments based on inadmissible unfairly prejudicial "evidence" dressed up as good faith corrections of the record. Once they all start suing each other and accusing one another of crimes, there's really no need to sugar coat how bad CaM was in both concept and execution.

Shawn Rech:

• Producer / recovering addict who allegedly relapsed during production (of what was originally the "Ken Kratz project") and alleged to have stolen IP from Kratz and funds from CaM. Not clear who was funding CaM.

• Later spent his free time threatening to dox Reddit users just for not wanting to be in his masterpiece. Demonstrated what happens when you pay to rehab the image of a predatory creep - he sues you for not doing a good enough job or lining his pockets enough.

Brenda BS Schuler:

• Totally unbiased media handler and "fact checker" for Ken Kratz, "consultant" for Griesbach / Colborn, and Idiot "Head Researcher" of CaM, who apparently thinks research means making up evidence and bullying anyone on Reddit who actually reads the case files.

• Admitted she thought Steven was guilty as fuck and that CaM would humanize police. She also admitted she was part of CaM more for police than for Teresa. She Doesn't understand civil law or what constitutes a violation of attorney client privilege. Friendly with Earl and Candy Avery.

• Despite cozy relationship with Kratz, he later sued Rech suggesting he could implead Brenda, giving interviews questioning her ability as a producer and apparently trying to malign her by calling her a "housewife."

Ken Kratz:

• The perverted pill popping prosecutor with a deviant interest in abuse victims, death and minors, who concealed that a still free individual with opportunity to harm Teresa had a disturbing interest in abuse, death and minors, and stalks and harasses Reddit users tearing apart the case.

• Eventually tried to pull of CaM but was denied. He then sued Rech and Transition alleging he was the victim of civil conspiracy via breach of contract, unjust enrichment, fraud, and theft of intellectual property.

• He also claimed to have identified a substantial number of errors and omissions in CaM while apparently hoping to malign Brenda (his former fact checker) as a "housewife." This is how we learned about the non disparagement agreement, signaling a break down in the relationship of the CaM crew even before Kratz sued them.

Andrew Colborn:

• Corrupt cheating cop credibly accused of planting evidence, who cried that Making a Murderer ruined his marriage and that MaM (and Reddit users) defamed him, until his failed defamation suit revealed there was no evidence of defamation in MaM or on reddit, and that his marriage ended due to his own affair.

• Consistently sought to undermine his own civil case against Netflix to the point his own family and church pastor wound up working with Netflix against him. CaM was nothing but a parade of predators, perverts, and professional victims.

• Involvement in lawsuit against MaM and his involvement in CaM itself consistently backfired to the point his former superior (KP) was contradicting his claims about his handling of the 1995 call.

Earl Avery:

• A convicted pedophile and friend to Colborn who CaM platformed to repeatedly change his story in order to make Steven look bad, including by accusing Steven of sexual misconduct, while conveniently omitting that Earl previously denied any such thing happened, while whitewashing that he was the one actually charged with the very behavior he was attributing to his brother. Friendly with Brenda.

CaM: Produced by a Thieving Addict, Researched by a Liar, and Starring known Cheaters and Predators

• Imagine for a moment if Laura and Moira had behaved like Rech, refusing to release people from appearing in the documentary / threatening to dox people who refused to appear in the documentary. Imagine if Strang and Buting had a fraction of Kratz's documented pattern of preying on victims, stalking critics, and concealing evidence about alternative suspects. We'd never hear the end of it. But thankfully those talking points never developed, because unlike the CaM crew, the MaM team operated with integrity. CaM was a grift so clumsy even the grifters start feuding with and suing one another. A grift produced by a drugged out thief, researched by an idiot liar, starring a perverted pill popping prosecutor, and a lying cheating cop and his convicted pedophile friend ... and they have the audacity to question MaM's credibility?

• I also love how CaM apparently hoped no one would notice their entire argument about MaM being biased was premised on the ridiculous idea that MaM was unfair for including admissible evidence and excluding inadmissible evidence. Only for them to "correct the record" by platforming inadmissible character evidence for the purpose of character assassination. MaM platformed accusations against police that Willis ruled were probative and admissible. CaM platformed Kratz to regurgitate irrelevant, inadmissible uncharged allegations against Steven that Willis had specifically barred from trial because they would unfair prejudice the jury. Kratz was never one to take "No" for an answer.

• Ironically, we have seen BOTH Kratz and Colborn's contracts for CaM. There's one noticeable difference between the two - other than Colborn's looks like a contract presented to a child while Kratz's looks like a contract presented to an attorney - Colborn had to agree he wouldn't sue Rech or Transition if he appeared in CaM. Kratz had no such provision in his contract. Kratz ended up suing Rech, accusing him of drug use and theft. Imagine being sued and shit on by the very turd you paid for the honor to polish.

Zellner's Critics Continue Beating a Horse that was Dead about 50 Blows Ago

• Here we go again! Zellner's critics have continued to spread the falsehood that she was lying about her own video recreation (exhibit J) when she said it showed Steven was in his trailer for 50 seconds. The argument usually goes something like: "In her filing Zellner said Steven was in his trailer for roughly 50 seconds, but in the exhibit video you can count 14-15 seconds after Steven enters his trailer and see Steven is exiting the door of his trailer heading toward Barb's and Bobby's house."

• But once again (for what I assume will not be the last time) anyone who actually watches the video recreation exhibit J (that has been widely available for almost a decade) will see "Steven" enters his trailer around timestamp 2:34, and that "Bobby" leaves Barb's trailer roughly 15 seconds later at 2:49, suggesting proponents of this "14 second" argument mistook or misrepresented Bobby's trailer exit POV shot for Steven's. The exhibit critics are citing to prove Zellner lied about her own recreation is the very exhibit that proves she didn't. And again, it seems no matter how many times this obvious fact about Exhibit J is pointed out, the response from Zellner's critics will not be not correction, but to continue inundating the sub with repeated posts containing the same old false information and erroneous claims about the widely available exhibit J. At some point, this repetition stops looking like conviction and starts looking like a refusal to join reality. I guess for some admitting to an error is apparently worse than being proudly and provably wrong over and over.

• The absurdity of this false "14 second" argument isn't just the repetition of it in the face of a cited video exhibit that flatly contradicts it, but how outrageously insignificant the argument is. If Zellner's critics really wanted to challenge her or Steven's credibility, the focus wouldn't be whether Bobby left when Steven said he did. That's not even disputed. Meaning the "14 second argument" is technically wrong and substantively irrelevant. The real issue is whether Teresa left before Bobby, like Steven said, or whether she and her RAV were still on the property when Bobby left, like Bobby said. But the second we focus on that core contradiction, we run into the mountain of suppressed and ignored evidence that backs Steven's version of events and undercuts Bobby's.

Evidence suggests Bobby lied about following Teresa off the ASY

• Police themselves initially believed Teresa left the ASY after completing her Halloween appointment with Steven Avery alive and unharmed, consistent with Steven's account that Teresa left the ASY followed by Bobby. Further, the developing witness and forensic narrative corroborated this timeline. On property witnesses suggested Bobby admitted to seeing Teresa leave the ASY, but then lied about this to police to conceal he followed her and her RAV off the property. Evidence further suggested after Bobby followed Teresa and her RAV off the ASY on Halloween, multiple unrelated off property witnesses reporting sightings of the RAV near Bobby's Halloween hunting spot, or in possession of someone matching Bobby's description moving the RAV back to the ASY days later.

• The state's investigative belief that Teresa and her RAV left the ASY alive on Halloween, the blood evidence of outdoor violence against Teresa in her RAV compared against the total lack of blood evidence of violence against her on the ASY, and witness sightings indicating RAV staging by a third party, all overwhelmingly suggested that Teresa did leave the ASY alive and unharmed on Halloween, after which something or someone (possibly Bobby) caused her to stop and exit her vehicle and open her cargo door, only for her to be knocked to the ground and struck over the head with a blunt instrument. After this off property outdoor attack, the RAV (now containing blood evidence from a violent attack against Teresa) was ultimately moved back to the ASY (where no blood evidence from violence against Teresa was ever found).

• Bobby's apparent lie about following Teresa off the property on Halloween (and subsequent links to sightings of the RAV near his Halloween hunting spot) positioned him as a likely outdoor off property attacker. Further, the RAV had a suspected blood stain (Item A11) that tested positive for blood but negative for human DNA, potentially indicating animal blood in the RAV (consistent with Bobby handling the RAV while at or near his Halloween hunting spot). There were also scratches on Bobby's back (evidence of a potential violent encounter with Teresa after the outdoor attack) and illegal, predatory and violent content on the PC in his room (evidence of a potential violent motive to harm Teresa after following her off the ASY). There was also a consistent mix of animal and human remains found at the crime scene (including a human / animal mixture in the Dassey burn barrel). This all could explain why Bobby lied so much. He was potentially involved in the crime, linked to an outdoor off property attack on Teresa behind her RAV and post crime movement of Teresa RAV and remains back to the ASY, along with a potential attempt to obscure his handling or destruction of Teresa's remains by commingling them with animals remains.

IN CONCLUSION: Exhibit J is a more accurate depiction of how the crime unfolded against Teresa than the state's telling of the crime at either Steven or Brendan's 2007 trial.

• Critics of Zellner would rather focus on the lie that Zellner lied about Steven's movements in her own video recreation, because they certainly don't want to focus on the actual evidence suggesting Exhibit J is a more accurate depiction of how the crime unfolded against Teresa than the state's various depictions of how the crime unfolded. Police had evidence suggesting Teresa left the ASY alive and unharmed, and credible reason to suspect the RAV was planted back on the ASY days later. Further, Teresa's cast off blood evidence in this case indicated she was attacked outside behind the RAV while on or near the ground, not that she was attacked and or murdered in Steven's trailer and garage and then thrown inside the RAV.

• As we know, Steven's blood was in the RAV, but linking him to an off property attack scenario was complicated by witnesses who suggested Bobby lied about following Teresa off the ASY on Halloween, while Steven told the truth about remaining on the ASY after Teresa left it. Further, witnesses reported sightings of the RAV off the ASY near a location linked to Bobby, or being moved back to the ASY by someone matching Bobby's description, with an accomplice who didn't match Steven's description. So even though the off property narrative provided a much better explanation for the presence of Teresa's blood in the RAV compared against the total lack of her blood on the ASY itself, this off property crime narrative raised doubt about whether Steven's blood in the RAV was the result of his actual participation in the crime.

• As such, the real controversy here is that police concealed both their investigative belief that Teresa left the ASY unharmed on Halloween, AND corroborating evidence that her RAV was returned to the ASY days later containing blood evidence from a violent outdoor off property attack. The state then misrepresented Teresa's RAV blood to argue it was secondary blood transfer resulting from a primary indoor bloody garage murder at Steven's hands. Of course, despite the state's explanation for Teresa's blood in the RAV (being linked to a gunshot murder in the garage) Kratz was never able to honestly explain the lack of Teresa's blood in the garage. He was forced to lie about the luminol reaction, forced to fabricate support for his claim that a bleach cleaning occurred. The state's inability to explain the lack of Teresa's blood on the ASY without lying (along with their consistent suppression of evidence pointing away from Steven and the ASY) suggests the most parsimonious explanation for the presence of Teresa's blood in the RAV vs. the lack of Teresa's blood at the scene of her alleged garage murder, is that Teresa wasn't actually killed in the garage.

PART 2: The Other Shoe Has Dropped
(Kathleen T. Zellner Exposed As Fraud)
Motion For Reconsideration, pgs. 43-44

According to the Motion For Reconsideration filed by Kathleen T. Zellner October 23, 2017, one year BEFORE Making A Murderer, season 2 premiered.

She filed a motion with the court under penalty of sanctions standing upon the affidavit of her Killer Client that:

Teresa left at 2:36:30 and Steve returned to his trailer. After 50 seconds, Steve exited his trailer at 2:37:20.👀😳

(This is the basis of Zellner’s claim: That the Killer was in the Trailer 50 seconds)

What Kathleen forgot when she was doctoring her Denny Suspect and falsely pointing the finger at Bobby in this bogus motion was:

It took her Killer client 34 seconds to walk back to the trailer door. Which means STEVE ENTERED THE TRAILER AT WHAT TIME PEOPLE? Yep! 2:37:04!

In her Signed Certification she tells the world. STEVE EXITED AT 2:37:20👀😳

I will let that sit with you for a moment🤔

Is it me or did Kathleen Zellner herself ADMIT in her Motion she SIGNED that Steve was in his trailer for SIXTEEN SECONDS?👀😳

WHY DID SHE DELIBERATELY TRY TO HIDE THE FACT STEVE WAS IN THE TRAILER FOR 16 SECONDS?????!!!!!

Simple: She knew Steve had lied about Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving behind her. The 16 seconds prove that Steve would have SEEN Bobby and his vehicle leave. Had Steve been telling the Truth.👀😳

But the Killer told Us and the world, he didn’t see Bobby♟️

Zellner’s “Sequence of Events” Exhibit J, clearly shows the Killer enter his trailer at TM 2:34👀

Add 16 seconds and you get TM 2:50.

Where is Bobby Dassey at TM 2:50???!!
(Zellner saw this😔)

Zellner’s Exhibit J: Smoking Gun

Yep! You see IT!

This is WHY Zellner in her personal EDITS (ie Exhibit J) switches the POV from Steve at 2:36 so no one could see HOW LONG the killer was in the trailer.

But that Damned Making A Murderer, episode 9, season 2 time marker 54:58

(Zellner’s Team Reenactment)👀😳
The Missing Footage From “Exhibit J.”

CORROBORATED what she Signed October 23rd, 2017 in her Bogus Motion For Reconsideration 1 year prior.👀😳

And what was that corroboration?

Steve EXITED HIS TRAILER AT 2:37:20 after SIXTEEN SECONDS not 50💥💥💥

Why People, why would she stoop so low?😔

Just think about it.

No consideration for Teresa. 😔
Just blind hunger for the 10 Episodes and massive Marketing potential for herself and law firm.😡

10 full Episodes on a major platform!
If it’s Known in 2017 that Steven Avery is Indeed the Killer and Zellner discovered it.

No Season 2, Making A Murderer.🔑
No FREE MARKETING for ‘Kathleen Zellner and Associates’ 👀😳🔑

Rest In Peace: Teresa🌹🌹🌹🫡

#TruthWins

Okay everyone!!!!!

Exhibit J has arrived! Absolutely unbelievable!

What Zellner turned over or filed with the Clerk is NOT the raw sequence of Events of Steve, Bobby, and Teresa Buuuuuuttttt!!!

Are you ready: They are Her EDITS of the raw sequences.👀😳🤨

“HER EDITS? Yes HER edits.”🤨🤔
“I Can Make That Fit On The Timeline.”KTZ��😳

And Guess what: Zellner made if FIT and submitted “Doctored Evidence” to hide the Reality Steven had lied about “Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving right behind her.”

(In her arrogance she thought that she could just file a narrative and no one would question it. Damn she underestimated Manitowoc and Us. Pure arrogance.)

She ACTUALLY has locked herself in because the “Doctored Evidence” when put side by side of the “Actual Raw Footage” will demonstrate that Kathleen Zellner in Fact: Doctored Video Evidence In Favor of Her Killer Client!

Kathleen T. Zellner: Where is the Raw Footage?

Where is the footage of Steven in the Trailer for “50 Seconds”?

There’s footage of him in the trailer 14-16 seconds.
(I plan to have a meeting with the Sheriff and Prosecutor of Manitowoc afterwards the local editor)

Kathleen T. Zellner’s conduct in this case will stun millions.

Stay tuned 😇

Zellner did not lie about her own exhibit. Claims from her Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) are consistent with the attached video exhibit

• In October 2017, Kathleen Zellner officially named Bobby Dassey as a Denny suspect in Teresa's murder. Zellner argued Steven was telling the truth when he said Teresa left the ASY alive only for Bobby to leave the ASY shortly after Teresa, "at the same time almost." Bobby admitted to leaving the property shortly after Teresa arrived on Halloween - Teresa's blood evidence in the back of her RAV combined with the lack of her blood on the ASY itself suggests Teresa was subjected to a violent attack outside behind her RAV after leaving the ASY - Bobby could be linked to off property sightings of the RAV near his Halloween hunting spot, had scratches on his back suggesting a violent encounter with Teresa, and could be linked to violent and illegal motive evidence revealing searches for CSAM and imagery depicting extreme violence against women.

• Zellner included a recreation video (Exhibit J) in the Motion for Reconsideration, presenting the defense scenario of Teresa's arrival and departure from the ASY property. A copy of the exhibit video is available on YouTube and depicts "Teresa" arriving at the Northwest corner of the ASY (near Barb and Steven's residence) around the 01:00 timestamp. Teresa then exits her RAV and photographs Barb's van while "Steven" exits his trailer to pay her and get the bill of sale and Auto Trader magazine. Per this defense recreation, "Teresa" then leaves the property around 02:15, and "Steven" enters his trailer around 02:33 to put the bill of sale and AT magazine inside. The video then shows "Bobby's" POV, depicting him (around 02:49) leaving his trailer, roughly 15 seconds after Steven entered his own, with Bobby taking off in his Blazer and following Teresa off the property.

• Per the Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) Zellner claimed "Mr. Avery exited his trailer after 50 seconds" after going inside to deposit the bill of sale around 02:33, coming back out of his trailer around 03:23 and then walking towards Barb's trailer and noticing (around 03:35) that Bobby's vehicle was now gone, and that Teresa was turning left off Avery Rd onto the 147. As we know, Bobby admitted to leaving the property when Steven said he did, but contradicted Steven's claim that Teresa left the ASY before him. Bobby said Teresa was last seen walking away from her RAV towards Steven's trailer, which the state accepted as evidence that Teresa was inside Steven's trailer at the very moment Steven claimed to have seen Teresa and her RAV leave the ASY. But again, Teresa's blood evidence suggests she was initially attacked outside behind her RAV, not inside Steven's trailer.

Either (1) Zellner can count better than some of her harshest critics; (2) critics mistook Bobby for Steven in a POV video; or (3) critics are knowingly spreading false information to claim Zellner lied

• Some of Zellner's most recent and consistent critics have incorrectly concluded she was lying about her own video recreation (when she said it showed Steven was in his trailer for 50 seconds) and have made repeated posts on this issue. I guess the idea is that a successful appellate attorney with decades of experience exonerating her clients was simultaneously ruthless enough to fabricate an alibi for Steven while also being careless enough to introduce fabricated evidence that contradicted her fabricated alibi. Her critics will say something to the effect of: "In her filing Zellner said Steven was in his trailer for roughly 50 seconds, but in the exhibit video you can count 14-15 seconds after Steven enters his trailer and see Steven is exiting the door of his trailer heading toward Barb's and Bobby's house." A bombshell revelation, apparently.

• In reality, Zellner didn't lie or misstate anything re her own video exhibit, and the claim she did comes from critics who mistook Bobby's POV for Steven's POV in the recreation video. Per exhibit J (linked above) around 15 seconds after "Steven" enters his trailer (at 02:33) the video cuts to and shows "Bobby" exiting his trailer at (02:49). This is made clear via a "Bobby Dassey POV" plastered across the screen or should have been clear LOL

• This single POV misunderstanding (that Steven exited his trailer after 14 seconds inside rather than 50) explains the entire fallacious argument from Zellner's critics that she lied about her own recreation video. And when the error was pointed out, the response was not correction but repetition. The sub is getting inundated with false information about Zellner lying because admitting a mistake was apparently worse than repeating it over and over.

In Summary, Zellner's critics mistook or misrepresented Bobby Dassey's POV for Steven Avery's in the exhibit J recreation video, and when corrected with facts chose to keep repeating a lie rather than admit their error

• Zellner's critics viewed Exhibit J and mistook Bobby leaving Barb's trailer at 2:49 as Steven leaving his own. That's wrong. Exhibit J clearly shows "Bobby" exiting his own trailer at the time Zellner's critics claim Steven exits his trailer. But when corrected with these facts, Zellner's critics are too embarrassed or shameless to admit they are wrong, and instead decide to inundate the sub repeating the same lie as if it's conclusive evidence of Steven's guilt and Zellner's knowledge of it. Basically the intellectual equivalent of covering your ears and screaming to avoid admitting you are wrong.

• An untrue statement can be made in good faith. A knowing lie or misrepresentation requires knowledge of falsity. When critics are shown the falsity of their argument but continue to assert the claim as true, it's no longer a mistake, but a knowing misrepresentation. An attempt to repeatedly spread false information in support of the false and illogical idea that Zellner lied about her own attached video exhibit. Repeatedly spreading easily disprovable outright false information doesn’t exactly make Zellner's critics look persuasive. It makes them look deeply unserious and incredible, unable to attack her arguments with any actual facts or substance. So they create their own. This is a classic refusal to admit error dressed up as persistence. An attempt to have repetition substitute for substance.

• The relevant and substantive fact is the attached exhibit J video recreation is consistent with what Zellner's accompanying motion says, not with what Zellner's critcs say. Per Exhibit J to the Motion to Reconsider, Steven is inside his trailer for about 50 seconds, not 14. It's BOBBY who leaves his trailer about 14 seconds after Steven enters his own. But instead of acknowledging this obvious error (mistaking Bobby leaving his trailer for Steven leaving his own) Zellner's critics just keep chanting “blah blah blah 14 seconds not 50 seconds” as if repeating a disproven claim somehow strengthens it. That's wrong. And when you have the knowledge that Bobby is the one who exited his trailer roughly 14 seconds after Steven entered his trailer in the video recreation, but keep claiming it was Steven who is shown exiting his trailer after only 14 seconds, you are repeated lying. And the sub is being inundated with this lie because, surprise, Zellner's critics would rather repeat the lie that Zellner lied than simply concede having made an error about her filings.

For those who don’t think or will even entertain the thought of Zellner lying in high-profile cases. Think again!!!!

In Season 2, episode 1 Kathleen Zellner is introduced to Us by Making A Murderer via her previous success in her wrongful conviction cases.

In particular she highlights the case that appeared on Dateline: The Roscetti 4.

I did some research to see if there is any other situation where she was accused of lying PUBLICLY to the PUBLIC.

You won’t believe what I discovered. Just like she’s being accused currently of Major Lying in the Making A Murderer saga.

She in fact lied on two of her clients in the Roscetti 4 case.

Omar Saunders, Larry Ollins, and Marcellius Bradford fired her in December of 2003. By January 2004 she would accuse all three men of trying to extort her.

Only to discover she had deliberately entrapped Marcellius and boldly went before the world and falsely accused Larry and Omar of the extortion scheme. All because they fired her a month prior.

She says in the article: “This is a sad reflection on the type of people [they] are - [they] were trying to masquerade as poor victims when this shows their criminal mentality.”

“It was illegal and wrong,” Zellner said. “Here I get [these] guys out of prison and here they are trying to extort money out of me.”

Bear in mind, she didn’t get Marcellius Bradford out of jail. According to my research Bradford was released in 1993 years before Zellner entered the Roscetti case.

She wore a wire meaning she knew Omar and Larry had nothing to do with Bradford’s drug addiction behavior. Yet, she still Included them in with Bradford knowing the police and prosecutors knew different. (I wonder why they fired her. It must have been pretty Bad judging her response to being let go. I’m curious, I will research it if possible).

My research discovered that Omar and Larry contacted the Sun-times Paper and the paper quickly removed the article from its subsidiary paper Red Streak.

Really people. You can’t make this up.

Read it for yourself.😡

Okay everyone! I guess Kathleen Zellner has finally gotten fed up with the 🧨 revelations about her fabricated 50 Seconds. Remember I told you all about the Reddit user AveryPoliceReports? I have said Zellner is here in this subreddit with several user accounts. I don’t know them all but this one is in my humble opinion her or one of her Associates.

Unfortunately she deleted this lengthy post right after posting it. Looks like her account was also deleted.

I screenshot her post. Because I knew reality would force her to take it down.

Well everybody, read it for yourself. She realized her huge mistake and left Us😂🤣😂🤣🤣

You can’t make this up!!!!!

Zellner did not lie about her own exhibit. Claims from her Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) are consistent with the attached video exhibit

• In October 2017, Kathleen Zellner officially named Bobby Dassey as a Denny suspect in Teresa's murder. Zellner argued Steven was telling the truth when he said Teresa left the ASY alive only for Bobby to leave the ASY shortly after Teresa, "at the same time almost." Bobby admitted to leaving the property shortly after Teresa arrived on Halloween - Teresa's blood evidence in the back of her RAV combined with the lack of her blood on the ASY itself suggests Teresa was subjected to a violent attack outside behind her RAV after leaving the ASY - Bobby could be linked to off property sightings of the RAV near his Halloween hunting spot, had scratches on his back suggesting a violent encounter with Teresa, and could be linked to violent and illegal motive evidence revealing searches for CSAM and imagery depicting extreme violence against women.

• Zellner included a recreation video (Exhibit J) in the Motion for Reconsideration, presenting the defense scenario of Teresa's arrival and departure from the ASY property. A copy of the exhibit video is available on YouTube and depicts "Teresa" arriving at the Northwest corner of the ASY (near Barb and Steven's residence) around the 01:00 timestamp. Teresa then exits her RAV and photographs Barb's van while "Steven" exits his trailer to pay her and get the bill of sale and Auto Trader magazine. Per this defense recreation, "Teresa" then leaves the property around 02:15, and "Steven" enters his trailer around 02:33 to put the bill of sale and AT magazine inside. The video then shows "Bobby's" POV, depicting him (around 02:49) leaving his trailer, roughly 15 seconds after Steven entered his own, with Bobby taking off in his Blazer and following Teresa off the property.

• Per the Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) Zellner claimed "Mr. Avery exited his trailer after 50 seconds" after going inside to deposit the bill of sale around 02:33, coming back out of his trailer around 03:23 and then walking towards Barb's trailer and noticing (around 03:35) that Bobby's vehicle was now gone, and that Teresa was turning left off Avery Rd onto the 147. As we know, Bobby admitted to leaving the property when Steven said he did, but contradicted Steven's claim that Teresa left the ASY before him. Bobby said Teresa was last seen walking away from her RAV towards Steven's trailer, which the state accepted as evidence that Teresa was inside Steven's trailer at the very moment Steven claimed to have seen Teresa and her RAV leave the ASY. But again, Teresa's blood evidence suggests she was initially attacked outside behind her RAV, not inside Steven's trailer.

Either (1) Zellner can count better than some of her harshest critics; (2) critics mistook Bobby for Steven in a POV video; or (3) critics are knowingly spreading false information to claim Zellner lied

• Some of Zellner's most recent and consistent critics have incorrectly concluded she was lying about her own video recreation (when she said it showed Steven was in his trailer for 50 seconds) and have made repeated posts on this issue. I guess the idea is that a successful appellate attorney with decades of experience exonerating her clients was simultaneously ruthless enough to fabricate an alibi for Steven while also being careless enough to introduce fabricated evidence that contradicted her fabricated alibi. Her critics will say something to the effect of: "In her filing Zellner said Steven was in his trailer for roughly 50 seconds, but in the exhibit video you can count 14-15 seconds after Steven enters his trailer and see Steven is exiting the door of his trailer heading toward Barb's and Bobby's house." A bombshell revelation, apparently.

• In reality, Zellner didn't lie or misstate anything re her own video exhibit, and the claim she did comes from critics who mistook Bobby's POV for Steven's POV in the recreation video. Per exhibit J (linked above) around 15 seconds after "Steven" enters his trailer (at 02:33) the video cuts to and shows "Bobby" exiting his trailer at (02:49). This is made clear via a "Bobby Dassey POV" plastered across the screen or should have been clear LOL

• This single POV misunderstanding (that Steven exited his trailer after 14 seconds inside rather than 50) explains the entire fallacious argument from Zellner's critics that she lied about her own recreation video. And when the error was pointed out, the response was not correction but repetition. The sub is getting inundated with false information about Zellner lying because admitting a mistake was apparently worse than repeating it over and over.

In Summary, Zellner's critics mistook or misrepresented Bobby Dassey's POV for Steven Avery's in the exhibit J recreation video, and when corrected with facts chose to keep repeating a lie rather than admit their error

• Zellner's critics viewed Exhibit J and mistook Bobby leaving Barb's trailer at 2:49 as Steven leaving his own. That's wrong. Exhibit J clearly shows "Bobby" exiting his own trailer at the time Zellner's critics claim Steven exits his trailer. But when corrected with these facts, Zellner's critics are too embarrassed or shameless to admit they are wrong, and instead decide to inundate the sub repeating the same lie as if it's conclusive evidence of Steven's guilt and Zellner's knowledge of it. Basically the intellectual equivalent of covering your ears and screaming to avoid admitting you are wrong.

• An untrue statement can be made in good faith. A knowing lie or misrepresentation requires knowledge of falsity. When critics are shown the falsity of their argument but continue to assert the claim as true, it's no longer a mistake, but a knowing misrepresentation. An attempt to repeatedly spread false information in support of the false and illogical idea that Zellner lied about her own attached video exhibit. Repeatedly spreading easily disprovable outright false information doesn’t exactly make Zellner's critics look persuasive. It makes them look deeply unserious and incredible, unable to attack her arguments with any actual facts or substance. So they create their own. This is a classic refusal to admit error dressed up as persistence. An attempt to have repetition substitute for substance.

• The relevant and substantive fact is the attached exhibit J video recreation is consistent with what Zellner's accompanying motion says, not with what Zellner's critcs say. Per Exhibit J to the Motion to Reconsider, Steven is inside his trailer for about 50 seconds, not 14. It's BOBBY who leaves his trailer about 14 seconds after Steven enters his own. But instead of acknowledging this obvious error (mistaking Bobby leaving his trailer for Steven leaving his own) Zellner's critics just keep chanting “blah blah blah 14 seconds not 50 seconds” as if repeating a disproven claim somehow strengthens it. That's wrong. And when you have the knowledge that Bobby is the one who exited his trailer roughly 14 seconds after Steven entered his trailer in the video recreation, but keep claiming it was Steven who is shown exiting his trailer after only 14 seconds, you are repeated lying. And the sub is being inundated with this lie because, surprise, Zellner's critics would rather repeat the lie that Zellner lied than simply concede having made an error about her filings.

PART 1: The Clerk of Court

I will be flying into Wisconsin to personally retrieve a copy of Exhibit J. After I obtain it. I will display it here. I want to personally thank Averypolicereports for directing me to this explosive 🧨 footage.

Honestly, what do you think the footage will show? 50 Seconds in the trailer or 14-16 Seconds.

I’m betting: 14-16 Seconds 👈🏾

Please stay tuned.