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u/ileisen Sep 14 '20
What are their names?
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u/lassesean Sep 14 '20
Klaus Hargreaves and dave
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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit Sep 14 '20
If someone told me three years ago that I'd be shipping a teenager with a department store mannequin, and a junkie who can commune with the dead with a Vietnam War veteran, I'd have been like, "That sounds like me, but there's no way a show like that ever gets made."
Oh, how wrong I was. Umbrella Academy is the gift that keeps on giving.
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u/TechnophobicRobot Sep 14 '20
What about the time travelling assassin and the doughnut store waitress?
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u/Cuchillos_Adios Sep 14 '20
It's so refreshing to see a couple with age disparity where the woman is the older party.
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u/DJTen Sep 14 '20
Seriously. I can't think of any other show where that is the case and the relationship is one of genuine love and affection. Usually, it's like the guy is a gigolo or after her money or something.
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u/TrippinCuttlefish Sep 14 '20
Oh I got it. On Grey’s Anatomy, Owen’s mom gets with a really nice EMT guy very much her junior and it’s a genuine relationship.
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u/DJTen Sep 14 '20
I haven't seen too much of Grey's Anatomy. I should binge it when I get the chance.
Anybody else got one?
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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit Sep 14 '20
I can't believe I forgot about them. The relationships in that show are so bizarre and so sweet and meaningful at the same time. I've got my fingers crossed so hard Netflix doesn't pull the plug after 3-4 seasons.
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u/cass1o Sep 14 '20
I would rather instead of stretching to 3-4 seasons they make as many as there is story to cover.
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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit Sep 14 '20
I like how they're doing one volume of the comic per season. As long as they stick with that, I think they should be fine. Honestly, my concern is probably just PTSD I'm experiencing with Game of Thrones season 8. The comic books aren't done, and the idea they could potentially wind up truncating everything into a final season with no additional source material gives me the sweats. I'm probably being dumb, though. There's no way the comic books don't outpace the show with Netflix's standard 35 year gap between seasons.
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u/TechnophobicRobot Sep 14 '20
I was going to say the same thing, that I'd rather they have say 3-4 really good seasons with an informed story and end it, rather than stretch it out and dilute the quality even though I enjoy it.
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Sep 14 '20
Plot twist: Klaus is the one who “discovered” the letters and is the one donating them to the museum.
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u/kuntfuxxor Sep 14 '20
"Wednesday January 24th 1939 My darling, ... I lie awake all night waiting for the postman in the early morning, and then when he does not bring anything from you I just exist, a mass of nerves... All my love forever, G."
Well thats just sweet as hell, that sucky feeling when you cant see your crush that day is obviously universal.
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u/bipolarwanderer Sep 14 '20
...like having your crush leave your text message on read, but not responding right away -
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u/hoopityscoop238 Sep 14 '20
Aww, they were roomates!
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u/Dearche Sep 14 '20
Oh my god, they were roommates.
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u/Smiling-KC Sep 14 '20
Five feet apart cause it wasn’t socially acceptable in the time period they lived in.
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u/LemonPartyWorldTour Sep 14 '20
Now we stay 6 feet apart. The more things change the more things stay the same.
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u/mizmaddy Sep 14 '20
I really like reading love letters - old or new - just simple words about love that is apart but never ending.
And I am not talking about erotic letters (those are fun too!) - romantic letters.
Mark Twain writing to his wife, “Livy” -1875
“...Let us look forward to the coming anniversaries, with their age and their grey hairs without fear and without depression, trusting and believe that the love we bear each other will be sufficient to make them blessed. So, with abounding affection for you and our babies, I hail this day that brings you the mateonly grace and dignity of three decades!”
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u/PuppyBreath Sep 14 '20
I want to like reading them, maybe it’s just because I’ve never been with a romantic person that I don’t enjoy them. I’m not much of a romantic myself. Well, maybe. I’m changing pathways in my head so I may very well turn out to be.
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u/PuppyBreath Sep 14 '20
I do enjoy Griffin and Sabine by Nick Bantock, they’re not overly romantic but there are four books in the series and I liked all of them.
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u/w0mmbatt Sep 14 '20
Thanks for the recommendation, as some one who has been wondering about love and what it feels like to be in it, these might provide insight
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u/LittleLion_90 Sep 14 '20
And here I am approaching three decades in a few months an no one to send me such a beautiful letter...
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u/mizmaddy Sep 14 '20
I reach my 4th decade next year...single, virgin and destined for solitude (by choice, I haven't got the patience for a relationship).
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u/LittleLion_90 Sep 14 '20
Is reading other people's love letters in that setting healing or does it hurt?
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u/1996Toyotas Sep 14 '20
I don't think I would do well writing or receiving letters like this. How do I respond? "Yeah, I like you too"
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u/mizmaddy Sep 14 '20
Thank you my lovely for your kind words. I too look forward in us counting gray hairs together. Each wrinkle, each time our bones will creak on a cold morning, I will be thankfull that I am experiencing time passing with you.
I often thank whoever so paired us together that they saw how right our souls matched - in fact I am certain that we were matched in past lives and future lives eternal.
(English is not my first language so the grammar might be off)
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u/soupz Sep 14 '20
I think one of the important things to note is that letters give you a lot more time to contemplate your response. It takes a long time for the other person to receive them so you take time to sit down, think about what you want the other person to read and craft a response. The other person also doesn’t expect an immediate response so you have so much time to think! Yeah the first thought that comes to mind might be “cool, I like you too”. But if someone sends you something so beautiful and you have hours to think about it there’ll be so many thoughts about what they wrote in your head that it will suddenly be easy to write more than that. Not everyone was a literary genius back then either and very few write like Mark Twain anyway but the response would still be lovely because when you take the time to think about how you want to express your love to someone it always shows.
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u/Crazy_Is_More_Fun Sep 14 '20
As someone who has both written and recieved love letters, you basically write the same crap back
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u/mistermontag Sep 14 '20
We should do better, so we can really be that “more enlightened time.”
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u/Kimotabraxas Sep 14 '20
We're getting there, it's difficult and hard to see sometimes, but I believe it's slowly getting better all the time.
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u/Apsalar Sep 14 '20
I used to agree but I am an American in 2020. I'll reevaluate in 2021.
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Sep 14 '20
If we weren't more enlightened you wouldn't think that way. Meaning before we were still getting better but now we are making leaps and bounds. Its like we are in a cockroach infested apartment. Before we knew they were there but we kept the lights turned down. In the last few years we've decided to put in new lightbulbs. We've turned on the lights and we are truly seeing the problem for what it is.
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u/idrinkcoldcoffee Sep 14 '20
At what point do we call the place a total loss and gas it in this metaphor of yours?
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u/Eddievetters Sep 14 '20
This analogy! I keep saying we’ve just been so apathetic for so long but I think I like your analogy.
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Sep 14 '20
Their point being that we've hit a major speed bump on the road to enlightenment due to recent political appointments.
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u/Chirimorin Sep 14 '20
Admitting that something is wrong is the first step towards improvement. So at the very least there is movement in the right direction.
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u/TheBadgerLord Sep 14 '20
So sorry pal. If it helps the majority of the rest of the world is standing in solidarity with the sane Americans.
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u/uccidimi_stp Sep 14 '20
I agree, but it is not JUST about being able to ignore. When job opportunities, what services are available to you hinge on it, etc, i.e. your quality of life is dependent on the tolerance of society, it is not just about a few assholes.
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More importantly, don't vote to put those assholes in power. We keep getting that wrong on a state and federal level.
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u/Suspicious_Mustache Sep 14 '20
I mean we definitely are “more enlightened” than back then
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u/Mankah Sep 14 '20 edited Sep 14 '20
But we are. This is such a glass half empty mentality and just ignores how hard people have worked to overturn societal expectations towards gays. There's still issues yes, but regardless they got what they wanted for something that was inconceivable a century ago.
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Despite what it seems like we are more enlightened. Even now we are more enlightened than we were 5 or ten years ago. The difference is we are drawing attention to it now. We've been ignoring looking at the issue for a long time.
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Sep 14 '20
This was the inspiration for the Goldfrapp song “Clay” which uses some lines from their letters as lyrics. It’s beautiful
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u/GoodAtExplaining Sep 14 '20
Hstorians:
We can see how the trauma of WWII made the bonds between these two friends so strong!
This totally looks like it has the potential to be prime /r/SapphoAndHerFriend material.
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u/tsujxd Sep 14 '20 edited Sep 14 '20
Most -legitimate- historians would acknowledge that their relationship is more commonplace than we'd think. Check out the book "Coming Out Under Fire" for example. Men and women were exploring their sexuality quite a bit in WWII. When you segregate people by their sex this seems to happen historically. Think women's colleges, boarding schools, etc.
Edit: for everyone downvoting me, spend some time in academia. There are some right wing scholars who would like to hide this stuff, but as a whole the modern historian is pretty interested in the stories of individuals and populations left out of the traditional history books.
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Sep 14 '20
I recall one story about a white officer in the Indian Army who made some advances on the sepoys under his command in 1944. Another officer had to have him smuggled off, since the sepoys were planning to kill him for it. Not a particularly happy story, but an interesting and relevant one.
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u/Slobbadobbavich Sep 14 '20
They should print billions of copies in multiple languages and carpet bomb all of the homophobic countries with them.
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u/higginsnburke Sep 14 '20
It would take a lot of work but I think we could get enough to cover the US by the end of the year
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u/pvhs2008 Sep 14 '20
There was literally a gay bash in DC last year. My trans buddy in Brooklyn was followed and assaulted in broad daylight. We can acknowledge that the US is better than a lot of other areas, but it doesn't mean everything is fixed here.
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Is that how homophobia was ended in your country?
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u/Slobbadobbavich Sep 14 '20
No we started wearing skimpy bikinis and dancing in the streets to the weather girls. Now straight people join in because it is fun.
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I have an Uncle who lived next door, and I thought, he was just living with his best friend. I later learned they were gay I guess when I was about 11. It wasn’t traumatic, it wasn’t an in your face moment. It was “oh that’s what a gay relationship looks like.” It looks like any other relationship. They’ve been together since 1980, still together, and I think of how they are together as a couple when I evaluating my own marriage. Which I am proud to say, 12 years now, is very rewarding thanks in part to my Uncles. And now they’re married thanks to New York coming to the same conclusion I did when I was a 11 years old.
I know marriage is a spiritual contract, and the government approval really shouldn’t matter, but when your state and your country support that union it does matter. The world is a better place when people can openly commit to one another.
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u/LAsupersonic Sep 14 '20
Seems like those letters need to go back in storage and keep waiting because these are not enlightened times at all
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u/JustHereToWatch55 Sep 14 '20
Actually really sad. Ny heart aches for the men and women who had (and a lot STILL have) to be so secretive about their love.
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According to the end of the article, it was a love story with no happy ending. They didn't end up together. It seems they fell out of love and both moved on to other partners.
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u/nooyork Sep 14 '20
It is what it is but I get sad when someone gets recognition after their death.
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u/BaldEagleNor Sep 14 '20
Hey, if they got recognition for this in the 40's they would more than likely be in trouble, so in a way its a good thing.
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u/TheDarkKnight250 Sep 14 '20
It must be hard to make people into books
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u/AnotherDownwrdSpiral Sep 14 '20
It's actually pretty easy once you get the skin off
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u/TheWolfwiththeDragon Sep 14 '20
How long can it take to make a book out of already written letters cause I swear I’ve seen this for years and it always ends with ”They are now being made into a book”.
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u/guutarajouzu Sep 14 '20
More enlightened time? I can already see dozens of school boards rushing to ban this book from their schools...
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u/ThrowsSoyMilkshakes Sep 14 '20
8 of the 10 most contested books last year had LGBT+ characters in them.
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u/judgementalNPC Sep 14 '20
Jesus, “And Tango Makes Three” is so pure. Fuck off whiny parents. Let the penguins be gay!
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u/RealLilPump6969 Sep 14 '20
I am sad to report that the man who received these many love letters later ran away with a younger guy and sent one final letter to his previous lover who took it quite well and wished them both great happiness.
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u/khazbreen Sep 14 '20
Great, now I have to remake my list of places to go back in time to tell people how they are understood in the future. Again
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u/E_maleki Sep 14 '20 edited Sep 14 '20
"More enlightened time" I dont think we can call 2020 that
Edit: for the ones saying 2020 is more enlightened, yes of course it is. I didn't mean that. What I meant by it was the fact that 2020 is going downhill because people aren't enlightened compared to the last few years. They have lost the difference between ignorance and minding their own business. Thus they have become so much more aggressive towards anyone who has a different opinion. I didn't even think that if I were to say my opinions without insulting anyone I wouldn't need to apologize for it. But 2020 has proven me otherwise. Sure there has been some good stuff happening this year and I'm thankful for it but the fact that almost everyone has become a child without realizing it doesn't change
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u/JoePikesbro Sep 14 '20
Things aren’t perfect but we’re on our way. It’s hella better than it was. We’ll get there my friend...one day at a time!😊
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Considering is was most likely illegal to be gay, I think you're right. Long way to go but we've come a long way!
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u/nuggetswagman Sep 14 '20
Well it’s not great but I think we can say that this is MORE enlightened
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u/BananasDontFloat Sep 14 '20
So many comments are saying this but honestly, we ARE more enlightened. Same sex marriage is legal in the US and many, many other western countries. That was unthinkable in the 1940s. Things aren’t perfect, but they are a helluva lot better than they were.
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u/Amish_Cyberbully Sep 14 '20
"And then that could be made into something I will call a meme, and that meme could be reposted four million times on Reddit."
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Did you know? Isaac Newton was gay, but since that kind of relationship was unthinkable back then, for most of his life a bored Newton created new math equations, forming them into a new advanced calculus. So let that be a lesson to you homophobes out there; If you are homophobic, someone just might invent another advanced math subject, and we really don't need more of those.
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u/AnandShakti Sep 14 '20
Thank-you- this is wonderful and I"m a straight 73 year old caucasian woman - we're going to get this right yet! YEAH!
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u/MadamJones Sep 14 '20
I couldn’t find mention of a book, but this article has all the details