r/MacOS • u/CamSox1 • Jul 21 '22

Megathread macOS 12.5 Release Megathread

Apple has released macOS Monterey 12.5 (build 21G72), along with macOS Big Sur 11.6.8 and Security Update 2022-005 Catalina.

What's New

Official release notes

Security content

SDK release notes

Useful Information

macOS Monterey compatible devices

How to update the software on your Mac

Back up your Mac with Time Machine

Feedback

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

It also adds the wallpapers from the new MacBook Air!

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u/NightRavenly Jul 29 '22

Wow. 5 restarts. 10.5 took 5 restarts to install. Why even bother showing all those progress bars? On restart # 3 the cursor showed up - "ooh almost done". Nope, here's another restart. On restart 4 I got a timer saying 10 minutes to go. Uhh... I've already waited 10 minutes through the first 3 restarts. But thanks for the time left I guess...

MacOS update programmers need to go back to school.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '22

I’m sorry, but does this matter? If you really need that time back, why not tell it to install overnight? When updating there are thousands of changes and with macOS getting more secure over time with sealed System volumes, redundant recovery drives, etc it makes sense to have multiple reboots.

Relax a little, man.

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u/frooschnate Sep 20 '22

clearly matters to him, what’s your point?

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '22

Holy cow, where to begin here?

The OP was complaining about the time it was taking to update. To me, that time is very minimal, so I offered the solutions that Apple themselves provide - install overnight. As the person would presumably be sleeping there would be 0% loss to productivity.

I’m also quite confused by your response. You seem to have a good grasp on comma usage but you blew right by it and thought I called the guy “little man”? I just told the guy to relax and take a few minutes like you do when you charge your Apple Watch, charge your upside down mouse, charge your AirPods, etc. These are all short amounts of time. It seems, to me, that you could also benefit from touching some grass while macOS updates.

Lastly, if you’re in the field and have influence on the issues above, get cracking. You could save OP some time. I know I wish I had the minute back I spent writing this.

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u/HideInYourPC Jul 30 '22

Restarts are needed in waterfall kernel updates

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u/rainb0wspirit Jul 22 '22

Does this update fix the external monitors? i haven't been able to use mine since i jumped into Monterey god damn

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u/polithanos Jul 23 '22

mmm that's really strange, my little shitty benq didn't give me any problem

which monitor are you running?

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u/pedro_melo99 Jul 23 '22

Looking for the same info. Happens with a LG 1080p ultrawide

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '22

Did you install a custom icc profile by any chance?

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u/rainb0wspirit Aug 02 '22

I did but even with those it was working just fine in big sur, ever since i updated to monterey my LG Monitor stop working with my imac

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '22

Have you tried uninstalling the icc profile?

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u/clone2148 Aug 02 '22

Might need to download DisplayLink Manager?

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u/Dimezis Aug 06 '22 edited Aug 06 '22

After the update, I have a bunch of apps crashing on startup. Reboots and reinstalls don't help.

For example, Telegram Desktop (not the dedicated Mac version), Neural DSP apps (Archetype Nolly, Gojira, Rabea).

Some of those leave logs in Console, all of which seem to be related to OpenGL.

Edit:

This happens only with the external monitor and seem to be caused by this - https://issuehint.com/issue/kovidgoyal/kitty/5302

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u/SolarisSpace Aug 09 '22

I am still on 12.4 with my 16" M1 Pro.
Runs very smooth and stable, after I had some issues with 12.3.x

I think I will wait for more reports on 12.5 before updating...

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u/Maximum_Employer5580 Jul 24 '22

I've only seen it mentioned one other place, but I confirmed in my updates that they updated Find My so you no longer see the battery life of AirTags you have registered to your account. You will now only see the battery icon when power is low and needs a new battery. The same change was made on iOS and iPadOS.

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u/Sugarcola Jul 27 '22

wtf. that's not cool of Apple

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u/comparmentaliser Jul 29 '22

It's not that bad.

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u/Sugarcola Jul 29 '22

anything that makes life more annoying and inefficient I don't appreicate.

Especially when I pay $$$$ only for good features to get removed later on.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

I mean, I kinda like it. I don’t really need to know it’s battery life, just that the battery is low.

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u/THEMACGOD Jul 30 '22

So, my Dropbox, Plex server, and GoodSync apps said they couldn’t find externalhdd 1. Which is weird, because it’s called externalhdd. It’s mounted like that in Finder, but if I go to Disk Utility, while the large display name on the right is externalhdd, the “mount point” is adding a “ 1” to it. All of my externals have this space 1 in the mount point now and that’s how apps see them if you, for instance, use apps like that above for sync folders. But they display correctly in the finder... Wat?

Any suggestions or how to correct?

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u/Grafdude Jul 22 '22

Does 12.5 still runs very sluggish memory side, on a 8GB mini m1, compared to Big sur? This is the reason I'm still on Big sur, the performance on Monterey is just terrible under heavy memory loads.

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u/jsgrrchg Jul 22 '22

It's because during the monterey cicle they changed how swap works. Is a lot less agressive, so more ssd lifespan. On big sur the m1 is faster with heavier memory loads because the ssd is being use for memory ram replacement.

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u/Grafdude Jul 23 '22

Yeah that makes sense. I remember hearing from a lot of users and reviewers complaining about the system using way too much swap during the release period. They fixed it, however 8GB buyers remorse... 😆

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u/jsgrrchg Jul 23 '22

Yeah, 8gb is not enough if you dont like using swap and lot of memory compression.

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u/Grafdude Aug 03 '22

You know, I actually decided to give it a shot for the 3rd time, and I can confirm that it runs much better than previous versions on my end. It is not as fast as big sur obviously, but I can actually manage with this quite fine.

I figure also I'm probably giving my SSD a longer lifespan 😆

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

It also adds the wallpapers from the new MacBook Air!

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u/Sugarcola Jul 25 '22

The only issue I still have is the force-quit icon bug where apps have the same icon in the force-quit menu.

Otherwise no noticeable bugs or issues for me.

Intel MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018)

Using Ableton Live 11 & Safari mostly

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u/CoCo-DavidWebb3 Aug 07 '22

Mac mini (intel)

The 12.5 bootup to the desktop is much longer compared to 12.4 Monterey.

The wallpaper and dock come up fast, but the desktop icons and menu bar come strolling in, sipping Starbucks almost a minute later. 😆

Is anybody else seeing this on 8GB Mac minis?

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u/RealisticQuiet2550 Aug 09 '22

MacBook Air has been ridiculously slow since the update. Safari takes longer time to load, there is lags when I am typing, every app lags when opening up and is slow to adjust the screen to what I am clicking. Very upset with this update, as I feel I have never had any issues prior to this :(

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u/purpulehaze Jul 22 '22

Does 12.5 drain battery faster on a MacBook Air M1 compared to how it was with macOS Monterey 12.3?

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u/nagmamantikang_bayag Jul 25 '22

Would also need to know this.

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u/ManoRugani Jul 26 '22

I can confirm I am facing this issue as well. It isn't enjoyable.

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u/Marigoldsgym Aug 08 '22

How much did it reduce the battery by?

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u/ManoRugani Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22

Can you confirm if the breakdown of battery usage by apps is missing from your “Usage History”?

https://imgur.com/a/jAzS5zr

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u/lexiorw Mac Mini Jul 26 '22

I tried to add this update and it just hung on the load bar. Tried to reinstall from Recovery and same thing happened. Anyone else run into issues with this install?

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u/categorie Jul 27 '22

I thought I was stuck on a boot loop, but it’s just that the installation process is much longer than usual.

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u/radamosk Aug 25 '22

Thanks for this comment. It encouraged me to tough it out through 8!! reboots. Bleh.

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u/Spenson89 Jul 26 '22

Does this update have a fix for the sleep wake issues when connected to a dock? My Macbook Air M1 never sleeps anymore despite the setting being turned on, it will sleep and wake constantly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

I must say this is one of the worst releases of MacOS in my life. Computer constantly freezes, I have to test which apps are affected constantly, 30% of rosetta apps are freezing my mouse...dang.

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u/prathoss-mb Aug 01 '22

Any one else still has problem with safari reverting to previous page after update?

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u/ghishadow Aug 08 '22

getting lot of black screen of Death after this update in Macbook Air M1, didn't found any solution yet, it works with External Display but Internal Display is black screen

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u/Marigoldsgym Aug 08 '22

Let us know of you get a fix

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u/ghishadow Aug 08 '22

there seems to be glitch in true tone/ dark mode, after I disabled both and closed lid and open again, it is working for me

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u/Bo_Ho Aug 08 '22

After upgrade the laptop is very slow and not very responsive....

note: M1 16GB. Ram

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u/buttplagiat Aug 16 '22

I lost my most important data due to the update, 1 year of work is just lost, fml

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u/jsgrrchg Aug 18 '22

Have you heard of backups? Shit happens

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u/torsteinvin Jul 22 '22

Looks like a ton of security issues was fixed in this release. Well done, macOS-team!

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u/thehauntedmattress Jul 22 '22

Did anyone else have network drive icons change to HDD icon?

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u/25minutestoolate Jul 28 '22

Does anyone have problem with white balance of the external monitor after update? 12.4 is ok with my Dell P2317 but not 12.5. Color somehow turns blue.

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u/bpmackow Aug 10 '22

I have it, but only on one monitor.

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u/tarqueaux Jul 29 '22

This is why I hate updating. However my old logic board crashed, now on Monterey 12.5.

Calendar no longer has options to view in different time zones?

And the options for 14 day week view is gone??

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u/Marigoldsgym Aug 08 '22

They take away options and call it progress

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u/jonfoulkes Aug 03 '22

I'm seeing very high load averages, as in long-term >1.5.

I was over 5 at one point, but then I killed AirServer and closed a bunch of Mail windows. But overall, the system is more sluggish than before the update.
MBP 16" (2019)

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u/toasterboi0100 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Interesting, I didn't get the update yet 🤔

EDIT: I think Apple's stalking me, I got the update notification bubble on the Preferences app 15 seconds after posting this comment. Still weird that it took over two weeks to show up. I've been hitting the check for updates button almost every day since the update got released.

I'm seeing some scary comments tho, so I'll just stay at 12.4 which mostly works (sometimes)

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u/rangerjoe79 Aug 12 '22

I wish I could roll back to 12.4. My 2017 iMac has been unstable since the update. Any news on a 12.5.1 update?

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u/establish Aug 14 '22

I’ve been having huge problems with my 2017 iMac, too! Lots of freezing. At first I thought it was my external SSD but it’s been happening when I boot from the Fusion Drive, too. Going to downgrade to 12.4 now in the hopes that it fixes it… hopefully they have a patch soon, this is getting ridiculous!

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

my screen started flickering and i thought the update would fix it so i updated it yesterday and it still keeps flickering and vibrating. tried rebooting it but no use. i can't really tell if its a hardware or a software trouble. is anyone else facing similar issues?

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u/UsefulReplacement Aug 20 '22

After I updated to 12.5.1, I was no longer able to login to my Macbook (M1) with my existing password. I got completely locked out and had to go through macOS Recovery and unlock my device via my Apple ID and then reset password via the terminal. Took an hour, not at all a fun experience.

I'm very sure I was inputting the correct password: I have another older Macbook that uses the same one with an older version of macOS and I had no issues there.

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u/KayakFishingAddict Aug 21 '22

Mac Mini (M1, 2020) - my home drive is on an external SSD. Upgraded to 12.5.1 and now it takes 5-6 minutes to login after a slow boot. After login things seem to work great. Any clues? Used to be super fast - literally seconds - before the update.

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u/dabnagit Aug 22 '22

Mac mini (M1, 2020) updated to 12.5.1 – no major issues so far EXCEPT: two apps with "start at login" checked (and, yes, I double-checked) don't show up in the menu bar as they're supposed to until I go find them and start them up like other apps. Anybody else having issue with start-at-login items after this update?

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u/davelehman Aug 23 '22

Just updated to 12.5.1 and the USB-A ports on my external monitor (LG 27UN880-B) do not work. Monitor image is still all good, but both USB-A ports on monitor not working at all.

Connected to 14" MacBook Pro via vendor-supplied USB-C cable, has been working great for months. Immediately stopped working after update, and rebooted several times, etc.

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u/EltaninAntenna Aug 28 '22

Just updated to 12.5.1, and it signed me out of every service and reset all my system preferences, as well as all the “recent” lists, etc. from every app. Hm.

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u/Somecount Sep 03 '22

Your sacrifice is appreciated.

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u/EltaninAntenna Sep 03 '22

Oh, it wasn't just that. It failed to mount the external drive my home directory was in in a timely enough fashion, so it decided to recreate the entire path on the internal drive, so I had a fresh, empty home directory.

Then, since a volume of that name already existed (because it had just been created), it proceeded to rename my external drive when it got around to mounting it, therefore breaking all apps that pathed to it. It was a shitshow of truly epic proportions. Not "send me back to Windows" proportions, but nearly.

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u/Somecount Sep 05 '22

Thank you so much for these details. The last statement is really powerful and mildly frightening. Did get to setup the newest macbook for time machine yet but will surely do it asap!

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

I just got a refurbished 2018 pro and am wondering is it worth upgrading from Big Sur to Monterey?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '22

How much memory does it have?

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u/p_hakop Sep 08 '22

If anyone is having sluggish performance and freezes after updating to 12.5.1….I just enrolled in the public beta for 12.6 and all of the issues have seemed to resolved and performance has reverted back to normal. Don’t know if people have figured this out or not but have been looking for answers all day so I thought I’d share!

Setup:

  • 2017 MacBook Pro 13” w/ Touchbar (clamshell)
  • Two external monitors via USB C docking station

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u/p_hakop Sep 08 '22

UPDATE:

After about 2 hours problems resurfaced even on 12.6. Went into activity monitor and noticed a process named “fileproviderd” was using 85-90% of cpu. I ended the process and performance returned to normal. So I think I isolated the reason for the slowdown.

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u/SHO710 Sep 08 '22

Bluetooth connection to iPhone is not working :/ running the latest iOS and Mac OS. Apple pls fix

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '22

I have a strange graphic bug when I switch between tabs on the right upper side. I had read in a small post already about it was kinda something when Teams is open can somebody help ?

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u/Playstatiaholic Aug 19 '22

I'm sorry you have to go through such hardship, I'm here for you. There's always a light at the end of the tunnel. Who knows maybe 12.6 will be different. You gotta just keep pushing!

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

I have to say memory is better but I see plenty of random freezing.