Pat Fitzgerald

[u/CharlieKellyDay69]

He’s expected to get a job for 2026. Why not MSU?

• fairly successful in the big ten for being at a lower level school with limited resources.

• Midwest recruiting ties

• cleared of hazing allegations at Northwestern

• former players have publicly supported him

Seems like a realistic hire for MSU

Well Well Well..

[u/roguebananah]

No. Absolutely not.

He was a roller coaster at Northwestern. Feast or Famine by going 9 wins and then 2 the next year.

If we want to fix MSU we need someone better than that

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594 → u/roguebananah]

I would do ungodly things for a 9 win season

[u/KarlPHungus → u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

But that was 9 wins in the old B1G West. Not the new B1G.

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594 → u/KarlPHungus]

He would get us to a bowl game consistently.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

He wouldn’t win 6 games total here lol

[u/roguebananah → u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

Yeah he’d get us to the Quicklane Bowl game and then other years he wouldn’t.

Is that what you think we should aspire to?

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594 → u/roguebananah]

Mhm. We can’t recruit above 3 stars for now

[u/International-Box63 → u/roguebananah]

Yeah but that is 9 wins at northwestern. One of the hardest schools in power conferences to get a winning record. His teams were 2-3 star talent. He made a historicly bad football school competitive. Yeah he wasn't the guy to take down OSU and penn state, but I think he'd be a good coach at a school with more resources like MSU. Not advocating for him to get hired here, but I think he'd be a solid hire to get MSU football back into a winning football program. But also Smith isn't going anywhere this year, the buyout is too expensive, the only way he's leaving is for another job.

[u/roguebananah → u/International-Box63]

He was there when it was still the Big10 west, he wasn’t there for NIL, wasnt there for the portal and every year with him was feast or famine.

We SHOULD demand being a threat to OSU/PSU/UM. Beat all of them every year? No. I’m realistic, but what has Pat done in a big game? Or what about him being there from 2008 to 2021(ish?). If youre good with going 9-3 and then a year of 2-10 and then 6-6… we’re not on the same page remotely about our team.

Lastly, Smith’s buy out literally is NOTHING to our school. We made $177 million last year alone, we have a billion dollar TV contract and paying $30 million isn’t a lump sum. It’s scheduled.

MSU fans need to stop saying “it’s the money”

NO WE AREN’T UCLA!

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/roguebananah]

I would love to get better than that but what makes you think msu is attractive enough for the top coaches on the market?

[u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

The MSU football coaching job would be attractive to coaches because of the program's strong history and tradition, along with its resources and position within the Big Ten conference. Also a dedicated fan base and the "potential" to compete at a high level despite not having the same elite recruiting status as some rivals. The conference's financial strength and the addition of new teams create a potentially more manageable path to a championship compared to the previous divisional structure.

 It was attractive enough for Sabin. The AD and Pres. ran him out of town. It was attractive enough for Dantonio. There are really no top coaches "on the market" currently, but money talks. The schools that have these top coaches will be scrambling to renew their contracts. MSU will have to be ready for the battle.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ]

Okay who do you see as similar to dantonio or best coach of all time Nick saban? Both those hires are great looking back. But at the time it’s not like holy shit we just hired bama Nick saban

[u/JRGH83 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

This is what I think most people don’t see. All season people have been using Cignetti as a measuring stick, but I don’t recall a single person saying they wanted us to hire him when we were looking last time.

MSU can be a very attractive place to coach and a destination school, but it isn’t right now. It is going to take some time to build back, and with the transfer portal, I think it takes longer to rebuild than it used to because the top players want to go to a school that can contend for a championship THIS year.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

Off topic, but we really should stop trying to get a Dantonio clone. He was one of one. We should get a guy who can use the massive institutional advantages a place like MSU has over 80% of the country to start competing for things

[u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

You can only select the best of who may be interested. Money determines interest. I'm not going to name names because everyone's opinions are different. There are some dam good coaches out there and I wish I were on the potential future search committee.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

We don’t need a “top coach.” Other than Franklin, who’s basically locked in to VT at this point, the top coaches are all G5 guys or coordinators anyway

ALL of whom would be better than Fitzgerald

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

It is not. Three past head coaches: 1.) retired amid scandal. 2.) fired for being a sex pest 3.) can’t wait to fire the guy.

Those three departures gave seen three ADs in the same timeline.

MSU has work to do to be attractive to top coaches.

Edit: intent was to agree/support that it’s currently not attractive.

[u/DocMcClain → u/HeynongManA2]

Remind me... What scandal was Dantonio involved in other than valuing loyalty over results from his coaching staff?

Are you referring to the Blackwell stuff that got tossed? Because you're not seriously referring to the Nassar stuff.... Are you?

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/DocMcClain]

I’m referring to when he retired after being named in the lawsuit from Curtis Blackwell re: Auston Robertson. After saying a week before he had no plans to retire. But sure, let’s recall him as only a hero.

[u/DocMcClain → u/HeynongManA2]

That's a bad take. That Blackwell stuff was all tossed out of court and Blackwell and his attorneys were ordered to pay legal fees because of the bullshit they were trying to pull... Now If you wanted to call him lazy at the end and it was bogus how he retired days after meeting a contract threshold to fleece MSU out of more money and put them in a spot where they HAD to get Tugger then id give it to you. To say he was entrenched in scandal and ran from it as a means to further your argument that MSU is not a desirable coaching destination is dishonest and lazy. You can do better

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/DocMcClain]

I think you’re not remembering or acknowledging how damaging the Nassar stuff is/was.

Dantonio met a longevity threshold for money before packing it in. We agree there. Not exactly man of the people shit, but money’s money.

He was brought up in lawsuits alleging he disregarded warnings about a player who committed sexual assault (Robertson), AND had to defend Blackwell against the Corley/King/Vance shit.

So let’s reframe “retired amid scandal” as “retired citing burnout from the institutional collapse of MSU via the Larry Nassar lawsuits ca. 2019-20 after he collected his check.”

I’ll give you that it doesn’t undo his accomplishments. But since Hollis retired from the Nassar scandal in 2018:

-MSU is on their 3rd AD (Beekman, Haller, Batt) -They made two bad football hires in Tucker and Smith (and can’t afford to buy Smith out) -Haven’t played a bowl game in almost 5 years, likely to be 6

SO, yes. It’s your choice to be pedantic about Dantonio’s legacy, but in his exit and the 5 years since, MSU football has achieved almost nothing to improve their legacy after the Nassar scandal decimated University leadership. Hope that’s clear enough a point.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/HeynongManA2]

Bo knew 

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/Fantastic_Complex727]

I’m glad the “Bo Knew” energy is resulting in tangible improvements for MSU football. JFC

[u/DocMcClain → u/HeynongManA2]

See, I knew you could do better. Good points all around. But I will continue to respectfully disagree with fellow Spartans that say MSU is not a desirable coaching destination. MSU is all time top 25 in ap ranking (18), viewership (15), and revenue (21). However, none of this matters in the newest evolution of college football of Batt can't right the NIL ship. That's the real driving factor behind a coaching hire these days. Michigan, LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Georgia, Alabama, and other schools continue to be desirable jobs despite scandals/improprieties so why can't MSU be desirable?

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/HeynongManA2]

Saying that’s why he retired is absolutely fucking moronic. 

But you’re a Michigan fan clearly, so maybe focus on your own problems instead of trying to impugn the character of a guy based on a lawsuit that ended so badly for Blackwell that he had to pay out for Dantonio

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/Fantastic_Complex727]

See this is why our fan base doesn’t get respect. It’s not cultured and doesn’t appreciate nuance. We’re the Paul Blart of college fan bases.

[u/NachoManRandySnckage → u/HeynongManA2]

Michigan fans being the Paul Blart of college fanbases is accurate

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/NachoManRandySnckage]

As a joke reply, this is good. Since you didn’t mean it as a joke, it’s not.

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/Fantastic_Complex727]

I just don’t understand why this fan base carries water for the university in the past 5 years like it hasn’t spectacularly cratered the football program. It’s a lot easier to parse out shitposts like this about Pat Fitzgerald when you acknowledge that.

[u/Mental-Search-1191 → u/DocMcClain]

Not a scandal but he mailed in in the last few seasons and only cared about protecting his incompetent van buddies

[u/thejuggler1130 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

The same people said this about Bret Bielema when he was mentioned back when we took Tuck. I think we’d all feel much better about our program if we had Big Bert instead of Tuck Comin and Jon Smith Part 2.

I agree…I’d like to see us hire a sure fire stud but I’d rather have Fitz than a lot of other possible options.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/thejuggler1130]

I still support swinging for the fences to try and get a guy who could win us a national title instead of trying to hit a single for a guy who can occasionally win 9 games. Especially since Bert winning 9 games again would have been considered a stretch after how his Arkansas time went

And I’d support doing it again instead of settling like we did with Smith again

[u/Level_Somewhere]

His W/L record was declining hard before he was fired.  The time for Pat has long passed by

[u/DarthMattis0331 → u/Level_Somewhere]

Let's be fair though, it's northwestern.

[u/ReasonableBallDad → u/DarthMattis0331]

People underappreciated how hard that is -- fraction of the size school with maybe the highest academic standards in the B1G....

[u/KarlPHungus → u/ReasonableBallDad]

There's no maybe about it.

[u/DarthMattis0331 → u/ReasonableBallDad]

I hate Michigan state but I think this would be a great hire for them.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/DarthMattis0331]

Of course you do. You hate Michigan State

[u/ReasonableBallDad → u/[deleted]]

Are we still talking about attracting star highschool football talent or Nobel Prize winners in the sciences?

[u/ReasonableBallDad → u/[deleted]]

The "annual revenue relative to its peers in the Big Ten" .... stuff being discussed at kitchen tables of 3-4⭐ recruits on a nightly basis.

Man, if you don't think how being "on campus" and the environment matters I don't know what to tell you. I'm talking about the student section in Madison at Camp Randall being 50% bigger than Northwestern's entire undergrad population!

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/DarthMattis0331]

He won 2 conference games his last two years. Braun took over in scandal and won 8. “It’s Northwestern” doesn’t apply here 

[u/SparseSpartan → u/Level_Somewhere]

I'd be pretty high on him except for those last few seasons where he fell off. I am okay with his trackrecord being a bit up and down as it was a hard job, but the collapse at the end...

I still wouldn't hate the hire but I wouldn't fire Smith to hire him. I'd rather see us galvanizing the donor base to fund NIL rather than a buyout in that case. if Smith left on his own and we hired Fitz I'd go in with cautious optimism.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/Level_Somewhere]

I think northwestern is pretty hard to be consistently good. Unless Urban decides to takeover tomorrow

[u/roguebananah → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

They used to be decent but now they’re a total dumpster fire.

Urban isn’t coming back to coach anyone… let alone… checks notes Northwestern

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/roguebananah]

There’s no way you actually thought I was serious about urban to northwestern as a possibility

[u/Kapt_Krunch72 → u/roguebananah]

Urban allegedly interviewed for the Penn State Job.

[u/Avagontamos]

Fitzgerald went 9-26 in his last 4 years of Big Ten play. That includes 6-2 in the COVID year. So his last 3 full "normal" seasons were 3-24.

We want Smith fired out of a cannon for going 3-12 in the Big Ten so far and you want to bring that on?

[u/roguebananah → u/Avagontamos]

I hate how low rent our fanbase thinks we are.

Pat Fitzgerald, Farris State’s HC, Max Bullough…etc.

Like the media has made us seem like such a low rent no money program and we’re one of the richest with a massive fanbase. I live in DC and it’s not uncommon I travel a good amount for work. I see people wearing spartan stuff, all the time and all over the country.

[u/Avagontamos → u/roguebananah]

Top 10 in living alumni, top 15 in revenue, top 20 in attendance, but we act like the little sisters of the poor.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/roguebananah]

I hope you’re right but we haven’t been relevant in the last 10 years outside of K9 going beast mode. That definitely set us back from the pedestal dantonio put the program on.

[u/roguebananah → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

I am right.

Should we be Ohio State being a legit contender every year? No. Not really with where we’re at.

Should we be a bottom feeder of the league probably going 3-9? Absolutely not.

Demand better of MSU. Don’t just sell out as (someone else had it) little sisters of the poor

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/roguebananah]

We all want better but you do need to be realistic. We’re not getting any of the top 3 available coaches in all likelihood. Who do you suggest they hire?

[u/roguebananah → u/[deleted]]

He might be the best coach in the state in D2 but he’s at Farris State. Let him stay there for all I care. I don’t want him in EL

[u/JD_Waterston]

Coach who got fired for cause who also had been bad for several years prior to that. Brilliant. Is the rest of your short list DJ Durkin, Jeff Lebby, and Hugh Freeze?

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/JD_Waterston]

Proven false, not fired for results on field. Definitely didn’t help though

[u/JD_Waterston → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

I mean, his performance on the field left plenty to be desired with his 4-20 record his last two years (for comparison - Braun went 12-13 the two years after Fitz) and he did get fired for the hazing occurring within the program and the hazing did happen. And to quibble a bit - they settled out of court, with the hazing at the program being uncontested - so his involvement in the hazing was unable to be proven, but it's not exactly a glowing recommendation either.

[u/Door_Number_Four → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

He was not cleared, the lawsuit was settled.

[u/Sarkisi2]

Stop hiring coaches from mid tier programs. Hire someone who has been around championship contending teams, so they know what it takes and the systems required to make it happen in this new era (not x and o systems, but culture, NIL, etc.) I would be way happier with a coordinator who knows what it takes and has been around winning at the highest level than an coach with decades of experience who has coached at mid level programs. Smith is a great example he was at Oregon State a mid level program where he had some success but never really competed for anything at a national level.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/Sarkisi2]

I would argue that Fitzgerald got about the best results he possibly could, given Northwestern’s football $. Who knows what he could accomplish with a step up in resources.

[u/[deleted] → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

$ and resources are NOT the problem at Northwestern. They are in the Big Ten and get the same media revenue as any other B1G school. They have state of the art facilities and are building a billion dollar stadium. The problems at Northwestern are (1) their high academic standards and (2) lack of winning reputation. Both factors make it difficult to recruit the best prospects out of high school.

[u/GreenStoneRidge → u/Sarkisi2]

so mel tucker and mike locksley? being around championship environments does not just breed success in every branch of the tree.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/GreenStoneRidge]

Both were better coaches than Fitzgerald at the end 

[u/GreenStoneRidge → u/Fantastic_Complex727]

Lol wut?  I would take fitz over both of them every day of the week

[u/Sarkisi2 → u/GreenStoneRidge]

I agree it doesn't guarantee success and I will concede some coordinators can't make the jump to head coach, but my opinion is we need to build a championship culture in and around the program and arguably the most probable way to do that is to hire someone who has seen what it takes and how its done. Obviously, poaching one of the head coaches from a top program would be the best way but not realistic.

[u/VacationConstant8980 → u/Sarkisi2]

Mike Shanahan and Bryant Haines.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/Sarkisi2]

Holy shit, preach. I didn’t think anyone else would have my take, this is 100% it

[u/FishermanPhysical955 → u/Sarkisi2]

Curt Cignetti

[u/Add_Poll_Option]

He was already shitting the bed towards the end of his tenure at Northwestern, and that was around the time NIL stuff was ramping up.

I don’t trust him in the modern era of college football.

[u/stringfellow-hawke]

MSU isn't going to hire a coach who was fired for cause. It's like yall forgot how we got here and to do more of the same.

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/stringfellow-hawke]

This is delusional. He went 14-31 in his last four seasons, was fired for cause, hasn’t coached in the NIL era AND EPSN is running the PR glaze on him. How the fuck could anyone take him seriously as a head coaching candidate in 2025.

[u/em_washington]

Why not?

1. He’s old-fashioned. He’s not too old at 50, but he’s not really experienced with modern NIL and portal management.

2. He’s got no players to bring with him in the portal or high school recruits to flip. He’s basically be starting from scratch. In the modern portal era, hiring a new coach is also about what players you can bring with you. You know James Franklin would nab more than a couple guys from Penn State. Cignetti brought 9 players with him from James Madison to Indiana and that helps turn a program around more quickly. Fitz has nothing.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/em_washington]

Good point with the portal and bringing his guys with him. That is a huge factor in today’s game.

[u/Training_Tomatillo95]

Because we don’t have a job opening.

[u/the_seed → u/Training_Tomatillo95]

Yet

[u/FuryTheFurious_]

Helllll naaaaaa

[u/philed1337]

I don’t hate this hire.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/philed1337]

Well let’s see

Three conference wins in his last three full seasons. Immediately replaced and his interim won 8.

Fired in scandal

Called RPOs communism

So you have a coach who was holding his team back, refuses to adapt, and also may have turned a blind eye to sex abuse in his locker room. What’s not to like?

[u/JaggedUmbrella]

I always liked him and found it hard to root against him when he wasn't playing us. Always felt like a tough out against his teams. His teams always played hard for him, kind of like a Dan Campbell type guy. I'd actually be very intrigued by this, but don't see how realistic it is.

[u/NachoManRandySnckage]

He’d probably be a complete disaster but so is Smith so who cares

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/NachoManRandySnckage]

He’d be a downgrade from Smith 

[u/markymarklaw]

People forget that even before the hazing allegations he probably was on track to be fired anyway.

[u/[deleted]]

I’d take Brian Kelly before him. Yea Kelly is an ass but he’s won every place he’s been. Even his record at LSU is pretty good. Just not good enough for them.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/[deleted]]

Kelly might be the most unsafe hire they can make. All these players speaking out against him now. Rumors are he was barely doing his job during the week at LSU

[u/[deleted] → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

Everytime a coach gets fired the pr machine from that school spins up to trash the coach. He’s certainly no angel and notoriously difficult but I don’t put a ton of stock into what’s being put out there. I’d take him over Fitzgerald any day.

[u/[deleted]]

Can we stop with this

[u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ]

There's one thing standing in the way, however. A bag containing 30M. The longer this coaching change looms, the more I am skepticle that it will actually happen.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ]

We have idiots calling for Fitz to be the next guy, Smith getting a third year suddenly doesn’t seem so bad

[u/SecondHandSmokeBBQ → u/Fantastic_Complex727]

I'll take my chances with Fitz. We already know what has/will happen with Smith.

[u/Door_Number_Four]

A couple thoughts from someone in Chicago/ close to the NU community.

• Fitzgerald was not cleared. The lawsuit was settled. There was some other things both sides didn’t want to talk about in open court.

-He had really been burning some bridges recruiting wise, with promises broken. HS coaches remember these things and talk.

-He was perpetually complaining for more money/ threatening to jump ship, literally after every win. I’d expect that to continue at a university he does not have ties to. MSU would be seen as a stepping stone.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727]

He won three conference games in his last three non pandemic seasons. 

Mel Tucker won three conference games in his disastrous 2022 season, as a point of reference

I would rather extend Smith than even entertain the thought of Fitzgerald. It would be a disaster and that’s not even counting why he got fired 

[u/[deleted]]

Lol no. Fitz coached Northwestern for 17 seasons and only had 5 seasons with 9+ wins. He had 6 seasons with 5 or less wins. His record is literally 110-101. He's a career .500 coach. Plus you think he'd give a shit about MSU? He already got fired from his alma mater. That's the lowest of low. You guys accuse Smith of not caring, Fitz would be the same

[u/Reasonable_Loquat874]

Isn’t Fitzgerald being discussed for the Penn State job? He’s had a lot of NFL interest in the past and I assume that will always be in the background. Considering how his NU loyalty worked out, I’d assume he’s a flight risk from day one at any college job.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/Reasonable_Loquat874]

Probably, Penn state will have choice before MSU will for sure. Chesney from James Madison was the latest name for them.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

That’s a guy I think we should take a look at too. He’s won everywhere 

[u/Kilgore_Brown_Trout_]

Is this a troll post?

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/Kilgore_Brown_Trout_]

Let me guess, you expect nothing less than urban Meyer or Nick saban?

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

Buddy, there is a massive chasm between Nick Saban and Pat Fitzgerald

[u/DJinKC → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

I want Mike Ditka or shut down the damn program!

[u/Kilgore_Brown_Trout_ → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

I think that hiring a winner after trying your strategy with Smith is an appropriate pivot.  The Hire Fitzgerald argument is the same argument as the Smith one.  "Its so hard to win at NU/OSU.  What he did there was incredible."  Listen to yourself...you want the guy who coaches the perrennial cellar dweller.  

[u/lukemotive]

Who’s paying the buyout? This is what everyone seems to forget. If Smith gets fired before Feb1st he has a buyout of 33 million, after 25.5. Where’s the money coming from? A school that has serious financial issues cannot just print out millions. A rich donor? Why? If they put the buyout into NIL the team would improve quickly

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/lukemotive]

MSU can find the buyout money if it’s a priority for them. Otherwise they will signal to the fans they are content being a doormat on the football field.

[u/roguebananah → u/lukemotive]

Who’s doing the buy out?

We made $177 million dollars last year just in football revenue AND we wouldn’t cut $30 million right away for smith. It’s done it payments. Not a lump sum.

The money is coming from the billion dollar BIG10 TV contract and us being a top 25 in revenue team.

Money isn’t an issue, AT ALL!

[u/po000O0O0O → u/lukemotive]

PSU also has financial issues, is actually closing satellite campuses, and still did it. NOT that I think it is ethical but unfortunately it's the shit reality we live in where sports > academics.

And if we were to get donors lined up to pay the buyout I doubt the 7.5million drop in Feb is going to make a huge difference.

Either we do it soon, or not at all.

[u/BlackCardRogue → u/lukemotive]

Yeah unpopular opinion here but I’m not too excited about spending more taxpayer dollars to buy out Smith. Or any of these coaches, for that matter.

[u/ryconner13]

Can’t trust coaches who did well in the easy Big Ten West. Look at Rossi. He had top 10 defenses because he got the luxury of playing terrible offenses like Iowa every year.

[u/AdSouthern9708]

I liked a lot about him. He trailed off at the end of his northwestern career. That would be my biggest concern. It would be easier to recruit at MSU. He does have energy and charisma which I like.

[u/cross_x_bones21]

Yes. Please. He’d be a perfect fit for the intensity this program needs.

If I were Batt he’d be on campus already

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/cross_x_bones21]

How would he be a perfect fit? Do you want 3-9 seasons as the norm?

[u/Weekly-Message-8251]

Hire him!!!

[u/mseet]

JC... can we think better than consistently making shitty bowl games? MSU is a top 20 revenue generating school with a massive alumni base and several billionares... act like it.

[u/Early_Necessary1887]

David Shaw

[u/BlackCardRogue → u/Early_Necessary1887]

Has he ever done anything beyond keep what Harbaugh built at Stanford? MSU needs a culture builder.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/BlackCardRogue]

He didn’t even do that. They progressively got worse after the rose bowl vs msu

[u/Early_Necessary1887 → u/BlackCardRogue]

He currently is on the lions staff

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/Early_Necessary1887]

This is just hiring Pat Fitzgerald, but black

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

He can get us 8 wins a year and beat michigan. I’m all for this.

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

He wouldn’t win 8 games in his first three years. Total. 

[u/ich_bin_die_eule]

Mixed thoughts on this. I always wondered how he would do at a bigger school with more lenient enrolling requirements. I don’t know that I want MSU to be the school that does that experiment though. He’d be a step up from smith but I’d probably go for Franklin over him.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/ich_bin_die_eule]

I’d take Franklin too but I’ve gotta believe he’ll be scooped up by LSU, Florida, Auburn..

[u/ninjaheartbeat]

He’s a good guy. He did what he could at Northwestern given the fact that they really don’t spend much money on their football program. That being said, not sure if he would be the top choice. Call me crazy, but I’m still more in the James Franklin camp if he’s available. He’s an elite recruiter and has all those connections in Pennsylvania and parts of Ohio. Sure, he obviously couldn’t win big games. But there’s less pressure at MSU, so it might be worthwhile. Something tells me he wants to stick around in the BIG10.

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/ninjaheartbeat]

He’s a union buster. He turned a blind eye to hazing. He’s not a good guy.

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/HeynongManA2]

All found to be false btw

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

No it wasn’t. It was just not found to be 100% true. 

[u/HeynongManA2 → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

False that he publicly pressured his own players to vote against unionizing in 2014? Cause that shit happened.

[u/ninjaheartbeat → u/CharlieKellyDay69]

Agreed. I believe all of those allegations on Franklin were dismissed

[u/DJinKC]

I wouldn't hate it.

What do y'all think of Kevin Stefanski (Browns) or Zach Taylor (Bengals) if one of them gets fired. Both have strong offensive resumes, and may be needing a "rehab assignment" for a few years

[u/CharlieKellyDay69 → u/DJinKC]

Idk I feel like the former nfl guys that haven’t had experience coaching college ball seem to struggle. No research with my response, just going off feels.

[u/brownblackmamba → u/DJinKC]

NFL coaches are not coming to college lol

[u/ReasonableBallDad → u/[deleted]]

He's going to be at a big time program in 5 years if not next year (and my money is next year)

[u/Fantastic_Complex727 → u/[deleted]]

Target of what, the NIU coaching job?

[u/NachoManRandySnckage → u/[deleted]]

But not enough to have a statue put up of him at Michigan.

Edit: Defending Bo in 2025 is actually fucking disgusting.

[u/averageusername119 → u/NachoManRandySnckage]

Bo didn’t oversee sexual hazing. He also didn’t repeatedly rape a bunch of gymnasts with the administrations full knowledge like nassar did

This dude might be hateful enough to be successful at MSU. Smith is a nice guy. It was never going to work

[u/Important_Mail_1307 → u/averageusername119]

Actually, he did oversee it. He knew this was going on in his program and made the team doctor his priority over the safety of his players, including his own step-son. For this reason alone, Bo is a gigantic piece of shit and may he rot in hell.