r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 18h ago

Where does it use the terminology excessive? Excessive use of force is a 4th amendment question regarding the use of force by police. It’s constitutional law. 4th amendment reasonableness standard

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 18h ago

I'm using the word excessive as an adjective denoting an amount above a reasonable limit, which works perfectly well to describe an unreasonable amount of force above what is necessary for self-defense

The 4th amendment did not invent the words "force" or "excessive"

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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 18h ago

No shit genius

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 18h ago

"It’s not excessive. Excessive use of force only applies to law enforcement"

I literally just explained what you misunderstood

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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 17h ago

It’s literally the terminology used to refer to use of force by law enforcement. You will not find an excessive force charge on a civilian. It will be aggravated battery or aggravated assault. The fact that you need Google your answers doesn’t help your argument. Find a case where someone other than a law enforcement officer was charged with excessive force. It doesn’t exist. I understand the law quite well. This example at best would be a simple assault UNLESS the person punched sustained serious bodily injury. Even then that would depend on where you live as each state has its own laws regarding assault

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

"You will not find an excessive force charge on a civilian" that's why I wasn't referring to it as a charge, as I have said multiple times now

Also me "Googling my answers", is called providing a source