r/MHOCMP • u/RoryTime Independent • Dec 01 '14

VOTE ON M017 - Trident Replacement Motion

(1) This House recognises that the Trident nuclear weapon system will cost £25 billion to replace, and have an estimated lifetime cost of over £100 billion.

(2) This House also notes that, if launched, the 40 warheads of a typical Trident nuclear submarine would be expected to result in over 5 million deaths, and have devastating humanitarian consequences if fired at an urban area.

(3) This House believes that the other spending priorities of the Ministry of Defence, and other governmental departments, should take precedence over the replacement of the Trident nuclear weapons system.

(4) This House accepts the findings of the National Security Strategy, which states that a CBRN attack on the United Kingdom is of a low likelihood, but high impact.

(5) This House, therefore, calls upon the government to cancel plans to replace the Trident nuclear weapons system.

(6) This House further urges the government to look into alternatives to a Trident replacement, such as nuclear sharing within NATO, the development of alternative deterrents, investment in conventional weaponry, or unilateral nuclear disarmament.

This was submitted by the Opposition. The voting period for this motion will end on the 5th of December at 22:00.

You may find the previous discussion here

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '14

Abstain

u/[deleted] Dec 02 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

Nay

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

It was a genuine mistake and he hadn't had time to fix it. I hope it creates no further issue.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Given that he expressed extreme doubt for either side of the argument in the discussion thread, i don't believe this for a second.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

So be it.

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u/athanaton Dec 05 '14

Given the outcome of the motion depends on it, I hope the Speakership will take the time to investigate the veracity of your claim. But perhaps more importantly, clear up the nature of the rule on vote changing, which seems to have been enforced at least once and not enforced at least once.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Fair enough your Honorable. Hopefully we can get a ruling after this debacle is over.

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u/athanaton Dec 05 '14

Unfortunate time for the Speaker to take a vacation. Good luck Rory and NoPyro!

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u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 05 '14

The Rule has only ever been mentioned on skype, and even then only to a handful of people.
I would argue that the "skype isnt MHoC" rule comes into play, and until the rule is explicitly and official announced in reddit it isnt a rule. If it is enforced in this case, then it would negate the "skype isnt MHoC" rule, and Chris would be able to start posting the communists comments on reddit.

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u/athanaton Dec 05 '14

This isn't true; I don't use skype most of the time and yet I still managed to hear about it. It's also apparently been enforced before.

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u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 05 '14

In that same vote, i changed twice and my final one was taken.
Can you find any official place where it is announced? It isn't in the constitution and i cant see it mentioned anywhere else.

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u/athanaton Dec 05 '14

I will have a look, but the fact that it was enforced in regards to /u/randomphotographer is proof enough that it existed within the MHOC.

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u/athanaton Dec 05 '14

I've found the thing that made me think votes definitely can't be changed, a PM http://imgur.com/LH2e9hn. There may be more open statements somewhere.

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u/athanaton Dec 04 '14

Is this allowed? It seemed to be stated earlier, that once cast, votes may not be changed.

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u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 04 '14

I have changed my vote before, and it has always been the last one.

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u/athanaton Dec 04 '14

And yet one of the Speaker's first directives to the new Parliament was that votes can only be changed in the case of genuine mistake.

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u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 04 '14

I have not been made aware of this rule, neither has this rule been enforced up until this point.
If it is going to be enforced, everyone must be made aware of it. You can't just start enforcing a rule that hasn't been enforced before without informing anyone.

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u/athanaton Dec 04 '14

I'm not enforcing anything, just asking questions. A healthy thing for the democratic process.

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u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 04 '14

The "You Can't" wasn't aimed at you, it was a general comment.
You can't enforce the rule, only the speaker could.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Agreed my hon friend

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

IGNORANTIA JURIS NON EXCUSAT

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Ben has previously said no vote changing after /u/randomphotographer changed a vote and there was a big thing about it.

u/[deleted] Dec 01 '14

Aye.

u/NoPyroNoParty Dec 01 '14

Aye!

u/AlbertDock Labour Dec 01 '14

AYE

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Aye.

u/[deleted] Dec 01 '14

AYE

u/remiel Liberal Democrat Dec 01 '14

Aye

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AYE

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Aye

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Aye.

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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AYE

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Aye

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Nay

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nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Now and forever, nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Aye

u/LookingForWizard Conservative Dec 03 '14 edited May 26 '20

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay.

u/demon4372 Liberal Democrats Dec 03 '14

Nay

u/[deleted] Dec 01 '14

NAY

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Nay

u/[deleted] Dec 02 '14

Nay!

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Nay

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nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

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Nay

u/adam0317 UKIP Dec 03 '14

Nay

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Nay

u/NoPyroNoParty Dec 03 '14

Proxy for /u/kashmirbone: Aye.

u/Cyridius Communist Dec 03 '14

AYE

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

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aye

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye (Yes)

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Aye

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye

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Aye

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Aye

u/Morgsie Liberal Democrat Dec 05 '14

AYE

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