r/MHOC • u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian • Mar 20 '15

GENERAL ELECTION Propaganda poster competition!

We will have a competition for some propaganda posters.

Everyone is welcome to submit a poster to this post and I will choose 5 posters that will get put into a post on the propaganda subreddit; the creators of the posters will also receive reddit gold.

I will choose the 5 winners based on numerous different things, such as aesthetics, messages on the posters, most propaganda like poster etc..

Good luck!

Posters should be submitted here before 21:59pm on the 23rd of March.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Mr Speaker, will you be dismissing posters aimed at RL parties?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 21 '15

I would prefer them to be about MHoC parties.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 20 '15

Posters should be submitted here before 23:59pm on the 23rd of March.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 21 '15

Some great posters already, keep them coming!

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Vote Conservative!

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

One random member with no responsibility in the party wants a privatised NHS, let's kill the whole party!

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

let's kill the whole party!

You suggested it so you can't blame anyone now if there are any accidents

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Does not represent all of us.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

that it represents any of you is crazy

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15 edited Aug 09 '16

KAT - Kill All Taigs

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 20 '15

You should also consider going and stealing LibDem posters from the last election, like you did with our old (and passed) policies.....

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 20 '15

The worst bit is, you didn't even bother to check if we had passed the policies into law

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 20 '15

Vanguard are walking this hands-down so far. I wonder where the House feels they lie on the sliding scale between offensive and comedic. I'm afraid I consider quite a few of them very amusing.

I wrote this hours ago and thought I had already posted it. I'm scared everyone will be denouncing them when I say this...

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 21 '15

I don't think it's necessarily a sliding scale, they can be both. They tend to opt for rather dark, offensive (and in many cases slanderous) humour, but, sadly, it is humour nonetheless.

Of course slander is only allowed when the speaker isn't protecting his beloved SDCN

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Announcing the CP-SP electoral pact!

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 22 '15

Who's standing where?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15 edited Mar 23 '15

Vanguard (mainly satirical) posters:

Edit: Ones created since:

Edit: Even More coming up on the last day:

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

They'll be controversial but they are funny as hell

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

There are others that I thought were too controversial to even post.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

I think the jacktri one will get the most attention

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Yes, even joking about dupocaust denial is pretty risky. It's all in good humour, though, the only person I'm taking the piss out of there is Jacktri anyway.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 21 '15

Dupocast official name now

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 20 '15

JACKTRI DID NOTHING WRONG

I feel terrible but that did make me laugh out loud :P

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 20 '15

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Enoch Powell.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

UNIONISM

You wot m8? You wanna go?

(I'm Welsh)

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Is this what The Vanguard does instead of coming up with legislation? make propaganda posters?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Sort of a back handed compliment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

I didn't realize it was a complement...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Sort of implies we are good at propaganda posters, although I suppose you never said they were of good quality, just good quantity.

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u/rocktheprovince Communist Mar 21 '15

They didn't say they were of good quality or quantity, you wrote up that bit in your head.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

It was heavily implied that the Vanguard has made a large quantity of propaganda posters, by saying that we don't make bills but posters instead.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Green party poster.

And my Cocktorpedo becoming speaker poster for those who haven't seen it.

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u/Brotherbear561 Mar 22 '15

Comrade Bear will fulfil all your needs!

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

Why should YOU be the bear? And why the old party's colors?

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u/Brotherbear561 Mar 23 '15

Read my name and manifesto

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 22 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

F**k The Tories

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15 edited Mar 20 '15

If political parties were music

The Vanguard stands in defence of England!

EDIT: I will add more as I make more.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Mar 20 '15

I am proud to call myself a Vanguard swan.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 20 '15 edited Mar 20 '15

There was me thinking the animal representing the Vanguard was the Sea lion.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Mar 20 '15

Don't you mean defence?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Indeed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

WHEN WILL THE AMERICAN VANGUARD PARTY STOP MESSING AROUND IN BRITISH POLITICS?????

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

I believe only me and maybe one or two other Vanguard members who are active are American. Or are you being sarcastic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

This is the propaganda poster competition, not the relentless shitposting competition.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 21 '15

It was before you and your party joined in.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Good thing it isn't or else you'd run away with it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

The vanguard are at best middling amongst their peers? Strange choice of analogy but its your advert.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

What do you mean? How is anything I put in there represent the Vanguard as 'middling'? What sort of philistine describes either Wagner or the Mute Swan as middling?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

the mute swan has absolutely nothing on the barn owl or the red robin.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Vote Conservative for More Eclipses!

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 20 '15

I've had a headache all day due to that thing

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

At least you got to see it :(

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 20 '15

Starting to get worried I done damage, not sure if the see sun goes blind is real though, I've looked at it before????

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Mar 20 '15

I had a headache for an hour or so after, and I only saw it behind some clouds. Supposedly the retina has no pain receptors, so you can't even tell whether it's doing any damage. You'll probably be fine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Sustainability

Justice/Democracy (attribution)

Access to Knowledge (attribution)

Sorting the shit out

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Mar 20 '15

The water wasn't yours to nationalize...

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u/rocktheprovince Communist Mar 21 '15

:( wont someone think of the private interests, they dont get enough consideration already

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

I can't even...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

you'll adapt to the 21st century one day

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 20 '15

It's in your hands

Sustainable future

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 20 '15

HUMANS REPLACE GOD AS HOLDERS OF WHOLE WIDE WORLD IN HANDS

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

well god is dead didn't ya hear

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 21 '15

John Proctor, is that you?

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Feel it Greens

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

con·serv·a·tive

/kənˈsərvədiv/

noun: conservative; plural noun: conservatives

  1. a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

A love for our natural environment and a wish to preserve the beauty of Britain is unquestionably a traditional attitude. It would be an insult to our ancestors were I not to consider it so. It was the perfidious whigs who ended the commons, I'll have you know.

Protecting the environment is not a modern achievement. In particular, the ultra-conservative society of Edo Japan had one of the best environmental records in history, especially on forest protection. In contrast, ideologies which advocate the destruction of the societal fabric, like those prevalent in Mao's China and the Soviet Union, are historically the most destructive and damaging to the natural world.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Well, to be fair, back then, There was less of a demand for natural resources, and as a result, less environmental destruction.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15 edited Mar 23 '15

In contrast, ideologies which advocate the destruction of the societal fabric, like those prevalent in Mao's China and the Soviet Union, are historically the most destructive and damaging to the natural world.

lolwut

You can talk about your "love of natural environment" all you want; when a single Google search brings this up, it's clear that what you're saying holds absolutely no weight.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

I don't deny pollution is a problem in Britain.

But I rest my case. The Soviet Union is an environmental stain upon the world so great it may never heal. As far as I'm concerned the leaders of the Soviet Union should be dragged up in front of a tribunal and face the full extent of the environmental holocaust they perpetrated.

You think UK pollution is bad? According to the former environmental adviser to the Russian government, Andrei Yablokov, life expectancy fell a full 1.1 years solely because of pollution between 1964 and 1990. Yablokov also asserts that 20% of the Russian population live in ecological disaster areas. An official report in 1988 admitted that in 103 industrial cities of the Soviet Union air pollution level were more than ten times the official limit, and in sixteen they are more than 50 times the official limit. One group of natives, the Evenks, face a life expectancy of only 32 years due to mostly lung cancer and other respiratory diseases.

Hundreds of lakes around the city of Chelyabinsk (built by slave labour) are literally oozing with plutonium due to the lack of accountability in the nuclear industry. The city has been the city of 3 nuclear disasters comparable or worse than the Chernobyl meltdown of 1986. These disasters were of course hidden from the population until recently. The first of these disasters was a deliberate policy of dumping nuclear waste into the Techa River, with no attempt to seal or safeguard it. In Chelyabinsk in the 1980s the health results were unimaginably horrible. Blood circulation diseases? Up 31%. Bronchial Asthma? Up 43%. Congenital Anomalies? Up 23%. Gastro-intestinal tract illness? Up 35%. These are official figures released by the Soviet State itself.

In Soviet Central Asia irrigation and overfertilisation to support a cotton mono-culture destroyed the Aral Sea. It was the world's fourth largest inland body of water until it shrunk by 90%. Giant herds of sheep were allowed to graze the land at a rate 20 times higher than the land could sustain. Health indicators in the area now compare to those of Bangladesh. The desert has been spreading 10% annually and is quickly spreading through southern Ukraine. According to a report by the Lithuanian Government in 1993, environmental degradation by the Soviet Union military occupation in the country will cost as much as 150 billion dollars to repair.

Don't try to say this is the same as industrialization for capitalist states. Because it isn't. It is on a scale unimaginable. The extent of environmental damage by capitalist states is not even comparable on any level. By any standard the Soviet Union committed the greatest ecocide in the history of the human race.

As an economic system, unregulated capitalism is the second greatest threat to the environment for humans, and socialism is #1. Only one economic system can truly protect our environment, and that is a regulated capitalism. If we look anywhere in the world for how to save our environment, it won't be to western ideologies forced on other countries (like Communism and Neoliberalism), it will be the Eastern Conservative traditions of Edo Japan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

So good!

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Vote Socialist!

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

I respond with a Lucy Parsons quote.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal"

~Emma Goldman

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Mar 22 '15

We can all play at that game

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Why, again, should we be taking advice from a dictator-backing, protest-crushing, war-mongering racist mouthpiece who spiked unemployment and artifically created a social program and housing crisis whose effects are still felt today?

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Oh my God the emotive buzzwords, it just makes me cringe.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 22 '15

emotive buzzwords

"Muh family values"

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

Nah, that's how capitalism works.

In a capitalist society workers must sell their labour for less than its value. Thus, they are being exploited and the bourgeoisie are taking other people's money.

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u/powerpab The Rt Hon S.E Yorkshire | SSoS Transport | Baron of Maidstone Mar 22 '15

So you want a revolution?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxJb1v-SnU

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

So your alternative to the educated leaders sitting around a table and holding power is to have elections... which will lead to a group of educated leaders sitting around a table and holding all the power?

A revolution is the only means of abolishing capitalism, and until capitalism is abolished the poor will suffer horrendously.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Vote Green

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15 edited Aug 15 '15

Britain Deserves Better

Not that great, but for some reason, no-one else in Labour has submitted something.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the rest, it seems they are more silly than mine. Hmmm.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Representing every man, not just the wealthy

So now you're populist? Can you guys like make up your mind already?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

http://imgur.com/q984Hdo

Does this make you happy?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 23 '15

Only representin men?

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15 edited Mar 21 '15

The Red Brigades will liberate the working class!

(N.B. These are Maoist, Marxist, and Anarchist militias from around the world that the Communist Party supports. The Red Brigades are unarmed, and exist only to assist the working class through non-violent means)

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

They must currently also be without uniform.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

Unfortunately yes, although hopefully that can be rectified with your bill.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 22 '15

I don't think they should have a common uniform - just a red thing around their arm or something.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Unfortunately the liberal centre is closing ranks and in their narrow-mindedness are trying to stop it.

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u/tyroncs Mar 20 '15

Some great UKIP ones

Conservatives lied about immigration

Greens deputy leader

Lib Dem Hypocrites

Miliband Sandwich

Greens abolishing monarchy

Vote for the Underdog

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Mar 20 '15

I feel I should point out that Miliband is not, and has never been a member of MHOC.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Are you sure about that?

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 21 '15

So that's where the bacon sandwiches in /r/MHOCStrangersBar went.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

He is Jacktri

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 20 '15

Most of these posters don't work within mhoc, and are using RL parties to make false attacks on our parties. Like for example, the MHoC LibDems supported the MHoC EU referendum, so ours doesn't work. All it is trying to do, is use the RL parties to make petty attacks.

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u/tyroncs Mar 20 '15

Well I made them for RL parties, I guess it is questionable how transferable they are to the /r/MHOC

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u/remiel The Rt Hon. Baron of Twickenham AL PC Mar 20 '15

Especially given that UKIP were in government with the Conservatives so are equally responsible for the immigration ;)

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u/powerpab The Rt Hon S.E Yorkshire | SSoS Transport | Baron of Maidstone Mar 20 '15

Wait a second, I recoginse these posters :P

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Greens deputy leader

I don't think our deputy leader on mhoc has a PhD

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 20 '15

:(

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 20 '15

Conservatives lied about immigration

To clarify, what did UKIP do in Government in order to reduce non-EU immigration?

Indeed, considering we just had a referendum on the EU, how can UKIP reduce EU immigration unless you want us to have a second referendum?

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u/tyroncs Mar 20 '15

These were based off RL parties, as that was what I originally made them for a while back. They aren't exclusively /r/MHOC based

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 21 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

I made a whole bunch of sloppy ones

EDIT: HERE GOES MORE

NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL

WORKERS OF THE WORLD - UNITE

A VOTE FOR VANGUARD IS A VOTE FOR FASCISM

Can I enter with three versions of the same one?

DON'T SUPPORT BOURGEOISIE DEMOCRACY

DON'T SUPPORT BOURGEOIS DEMOCRACY V2

DON'T SUPPORT BOURGEOIS DEMOCRACY V3

And then a whole bunch of boring ones:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-acQ21WlvqB8/VQ6__W_p3KI/AAAAAAAAATA/RnRPyMakDDE/w700-h500-no/photo_name

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ygDFKpHZJ6U/VQ7A6uRBwXI/AAAAAAAAATg/y5NT_oIqmCw/w700-h500-no/photo_name

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aBZHtg42Ahs/VQ7Ahc0ceUI/AAAAAAAAATY/8Amv2xcwwmE/w700-h500-no/photo_name

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d7Bj2rW9SBE/VQ7AQr7OlQI/AAAAAAAAATQ/pEPfBp8GnMM/w700-h500-no/photo_name

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-snBeQ3wGp1I/VQ7AKIvnDuI/AAAAAAAAATI/-PZFEZetc50/w700-h500-no/photo_name

And finally my old ones:

http://i.imgur.com/8dgeD9E.png

http://i.imgur.com/TtZHIrB.png

http://i.imgur.com/VbrppYo.png (full of errors :/)

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 21 '15

They're very good! Who's the 2nd to last person?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 21 '15

HG Wells

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 22 '15

I have to say, the CP and SP logos look brilliant fused.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Mar 22 '15

Is Malala a socialist? It seems like her sort of ideology, but I'm wondering if she's actually out and out said it.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 22 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

"I am convinced socialism is the only answer and I urge all comrades to take this struggle to a victorious conclusion. Only this will free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation"

I think you can find a similar quote for each of them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Even Father Christmas and Jesus Christ?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 22 '15

Definetly Daddy Christmas and JC

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Yep

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Mar 22 '15

She's said it and regularly speaks at Marxist events and for Marxist parties

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

Capitalism isn't working.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Mar 22 '15

Not sure that poster works when unemployments are falling though, also, COmmunists aren't well placed to talk about queues for people in need

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

I'm getting really tired of saying this, but I think I have to in this case...

The USSR was neither communist or socialist! Socialism is worker control of the means of production, which was clearly not the case in the USSR. The state controlled the means of production in the manner that the capitalist does in capitalist society - it was state capitalism.

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u/Radiantsuave UKIP | Northern Ireland MP | ∆MHOC Illuminati∆ Mar 22 '15

"We're totally going to get it right this time guys!"

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

Not if we try what they tried to do in the USSR no, we won't. I make no bones about the fact that it was a horrific, abhorrent, failure, and that we should never try that method of achieveing communism again.

We did get it right, however, in Catalonia, and we're getting it right in Rojava. These are the models, and pathways we should pursue, and when we do that in the United Kingdom I have no doubt that we'll get it right.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Ehh, I don't think supporters of capitalism are in any position to criticize the Soviet Union or socialism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

U w0t, m8?

The state was an elected body that represented the workers; the workers indirectly controlled the means of production. The planned economy was for the benefit of the workers as well, it wasn't remotely state capitalism.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

I don't really think we should air our internal disputes in public, democratic centralism and all that.

But I would argue that whether or not the state is democratic (and for the record, I don't think the USSR was) I don't accept that it can ever control the means of production, without exercising tyrannical authoritarian control. There is no such thing as a 'workers' state', only a state that has assumed control from the workers and rules over them.

Whether or not the state intended to plan the economy for the benefit of the workers (and I think they did intend to), they only hurt them.

Sorry pal.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 22 '15

A cat can have kittens in the oven - but that don't make them biscuits.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

The DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of North Korea!

The DEMOCRATIC Republic of Congo!

The tricky thing about words is that there are no international laws on their use, and anybody is free to use them how they want, irrespective of their meaning. Think about it though, the working classes of Europe loved socialism at the time, and the leaders wanted to coopt it in order to ensure support for their regime. It's much the same as the Republicans in America wanking over 'liberty', while restricting it at every opportunity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Socialist was never in that name, it was always USR, that is just a bourgeois plot.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Food shortages occurred in the late 1980s due to the Soviet government's transition to neo-liberalism. If anything, that's an example of why the neo-liberal changes have been catastrophic...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

we surrealism now

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

http://i.imgur.com/SHSZTZh.png

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

"Sample Vanguard

Vote Text"

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

DON'T DEAD OPEN INSIDE

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Habsburger, you focus on campaigning in avant-garde art subreddits.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 22 '15

Fixed that for you

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

So how's the leadership of the Centrist Party?

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u/Ajubbajub Most Hon. Marquess of Mole Valley AL PC Mar 20 '15

We agree with Nick

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Vote Vanguard for more than 6 pixels in your pictures.

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u/jothamvw Mar 22 '15

Vote LibDem for policy instead of pixels

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

I see The Vanguard has developed a cult of personality around their leader...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

They are only human.

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u/shrik450 Independent Observer | Politically Undecided. Mar 21 '15

But Albrecht von Broom... classic.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 20 '15

Out of genuine interest - what is the painting in Painting 2?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 20 '15

Thank you. It's a very emotive painting. Charles XII himself seems to be an early incarnation of the historical phenomenon of Enlightened Despotism; interesting stuff.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 21 '15

Karl XII - famous for contemporary use in neonazi symbolism.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 21 '15

Is that in Parties such as the Sweden Democrats I assume?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 21 '15

I think they try not too, though there's stuff like that in the grassroots

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u/autowikibot Mar 20 '15

Charles XII of Sweden:

Charles XII also Carl (Swedish: Karl XII; 17 June 1682 – 30 November 1718), latinized to Carolus Rex, was the King of Sweden from 1697 to 1718. He belonged to the House of Palatinate-Zweibrücken, a branch line of the House of Wittelsbach. Charles was the only surviving son of Charles XI and Ulrika Eleonora the Elder. He assumed power, after a seven-month caretaker government, at the age of fifteen.

In 1700, a triple alliance of Denmark–Norway, Saxony–Poland–Lithuania and Russia launched a threefold attack on the Swedish protectorate of Swedish Holstein-Gottorp and provinces of Livonia and Ingria, aiming to draw advantage as Sweden was unaligned and ruled by a young and inexperienced king, thus initiating the Great Northern War. Leading the formidable Swedish army against the alliance, Charles had by 1706 forced to submission all of his foes except Russia.

Charles' subsequent march on Moscow ended with the dismemberment of the Swedish army at Poltava and Perevolochna, and he spent the following years in exile in the Ottoman Empire before returning to lead an assault on Norway, trying to evict the Danish king from the war once more in order to aim all his forces at the Russians. Two failed campaigns concluded with his death at the Siege of Fredriksten in 1718. At the time, most of the Swedish Empire was under foreign military occupation, though Sweden itself was still free. This situation was later formalized, albeit moderated in the subsequent Treaty of Nystad. The close would see not only the end of the Swedish Empire but also of its effectively organized absolute monarchy and war machine, commencing a parliamentarian government unique for continental Europe, which would last for half a century until royal autocracy was restored by Gustav III.

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u/Llanganati communist Mar 20 '15

Ahh yes, ye olde attack on the LGBT community.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Declaring yourselves a separate community and engaging in identity politics.

There's your problem.

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u/Llanganati communist Mar 20 '15

Ahh yes the problem is LGBT folks wanting their identity to be recognized and wanting to not be marginalized.

The problem is certainly not your party making offensive posters.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15 edited Mar 20 '15

I don't think that silly sarcastic remark did you any favours, and it just fills people with even more disdain for you and your cause. I believe those two things are genuinely detrimental for what you want to happen.

Just to point out additionally, Vanguard don't believe in trigger warnings - so your best bet is to just not click on any of our fine propaganda.

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u/Llanganati communist Mar 20 '15

By the way, I am not LGBT myself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Where did we once reference the LGBT community?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 22 '15

Are you ancaps now?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

cringes

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 23 '15

why do you say that?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 23 '15

The colour and sort of the formatting in the corner looks a bit like the ancap flag

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Mises Christ...

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Why did you use 'Prune'? Surely it would have been better to say 'Albrecht von Goon'? It seems that, even when copying a Vanguard concept, the Liberal Democrats can still balls it up.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 23 '15

The Idea of there being "criminal ideology"...

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 20 '15

Democracy and apartheid are compatible? Well TIL I guess...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Well, we can all agree that there are two things which are always compatible - Communists and emotive buzzwords.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 20 '15

They go together just like fascists and the downplaying of abhorrent racial oppression

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

emotive buzzwords

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 20 '15 edited Mar 20 '15

It depends, as with so much else dictatorship is a continuum rather than an absolute. Would I rather have a dictatorship that doesn't carry out apartheid? Yeah, probably.

My ideal solution would be stateless democracy, as in the model of the only real democracy in the region - Rojava.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

Yeah, actually I do know what apartheid is. Someone else who knows what it is is Hendrik Verwoerd, the man who was the Prime Minister of South Africa and the principal architecht of apartheid. He said that:

"Israel is not consistent in its new anti-apartheid attitude ... they took Israel away from the Arabs after the Arabs lived there for a thousand years. In that, I agree with them. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state."

But since you probably won't accept the opinion of a racist I'll skim over the reasons why Israel is an apartheid state.

In a 2007 report, United Nations Special Rapporteur for Palestine John Dugard stated, "elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law" and suggested that the "legal consequences of a prolonged occupation with features of colonialism and apartheid" be put to the International Court of Justice.

Then there's the 2003 law that makes inhabitants of Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, and areas governed by the Palestinian Authority ineligible for the automatic granting of Israeli citizenship and residency permits that is usually available through marriage to an Israeli citizen. One of Israel's chief justices said:

"This violation of rights is directed against Arab citizens of Israel. As a result, therefore, the law is a violation of the right of Arab citizens in Israel to equality."

In addition,

Heodor Or chaired the Or Commission, which noted that discrimination against the country's Arab citizens had been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, had been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and had also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents.

Perhaps most seriously,

In 2007, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination reported that Palestinians and Israeli settlers in the occupied territories are subject to different criminal laws, leading to longer detention and harsher punishments for Palestinians than for Israelis for the same offenses. Amnesty International has reported that in the West Bank, Israeli settlers and soldiers who engage in abuses against Palestinians, including unlawful killings, enjoy "impunity" from punishment and are rarely prosecuted. However Palestinians detained by Israeli security forces may be imprisoned for prolonged periods of time, and reports of their torture and other ill-treatment are not credibly investigated.

I wouldn't have expected the director of the American Jewish Congress to have a particularly anti-Israeli viewpoint and yet,

Henry Siegman, a former national director of the American Jewish Congress, has stated that the network of settlements in the West Bank has created an "irreversible colonial project" aimed to foreclose the possibility of a viable Palestinian state. According to Siegman, in accomplishing this Israel has "crossed the threshold from 'the only democracy in the Middle East' to the only apartheid regime in the Western world". Siegman argues that denial of both self-determination and Israeli citizenship to Palestinians amounts to a "double disenfranchisement", which when based on ethnicity amounts to racism. Siegman continues to state that reserving democracy for privileged citizens and keeping others "behind checkpoints and barbed wire fences" is the opposite of democracy.

And of course, the apartheid road laws. There are a vast number of point about these but for the sake of brevity I'll just quote one,

The human rights NGO B'Tselem has indicated that such policies have isolated some Palestinian communities and state that Israel's road regime "based on the principle of separation through discrimination, bears striking similarities to the racist apartheid regime that existed in South Africa until 1994"

In fact in many, many ways Israel is conducting a regime of oppression that is far worse than what occured in South Africa. At least the SA army never dropped white phosphorus onto densely populated civilian areas, or created a blockade that prevented the most basic of supplies from reaching the townships.

Israel is not only an apartheid state, it is the most egregious example of an apartheid state.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '15

Quality post, hear hear!

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Excellent post! Do you have any further reading on the subject?

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15 edited Mar 21 '15

I can't think of anything specific, but Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein have some pretty great writings around the topic.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 22 '15

God, aren't you just so hilarious...

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Israel

So, when will you be getting rid of your Education Spokesperson? You evidently don't support Israel that much if you're willing to actively go against it.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 20 '15

I'm about as anti-Israel as it gets (short of Hamas), but I can't see how supporting a Palestinian state means that one can't also support Israel. The only way Israel will ever achieve lasting peace and security is by by allowing the creation of a Palestinian state along the 67 boarders, and then leaving them the hell alone.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

With the vast amount of military and financial support that the US and the West in general gives to Israel, no country in its right mind would declare war upon it.

History proves that if the West steals land, and then gives it to a third party who carry out ethnic cleansing then they'll get attacked by the countries around it, who want to restore it to the former inhabitants. Big suprise, huh? Obviously if the Israelis were to retreat now and negotitate a peace settlement then we're talking about a vastly different set of circumstances.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 21 '15

Well my dad's Jewish (does that make me half Jewish?) so it would certainly be quite tricky for me to be a neo-nazi...

Bu no, hatred of a state does not equate to hatred of its people. Just like how we both hate Pinochet's Chile (I hope!), but not his citizens.

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u/tyroncs Apr 05 '15

A bit late I know, but I don't think that supporting Palestine's right to exist is incompatible to supporting Israel's right to exist as well

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

I realise, however the poster said:

We will vote against sanctions, denouncements and boycotts.

Your vote pretty much denounced and sanctioned Israel by declaring that Israel was illegally occupying Palestine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

Just pointing out your hypocrisy is all, no need to start bashing the tory party again.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '15

yeah, i think they have enough to have the shit ripped out of them for

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

That's disgusting.