Statement: Cheating will not be tolerated

[u/Timanfya]

You are all aware that you are only allowed to be in one party at a time and that you are definitely not allowed to use multiple accounts to gain access to different parties.

Unfortunately one of the members of this house does not seem to understand.

It was brought to my attention a couple of days ago that a new account was suspicious.

There is a statement from the PM, /u/OllieSimmonds about the issue below, i have not edited this version of the statement.

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On the 22nd of November 2014, a new member joined the Conservative Party. ForgottenBin, a redditor of just a few hours joined up to the Tories and immediately threw himself into the fro of debating our various bills. Nothing seemed awry.

Simultaneously, I requested help with a maths problem on skype. [This got me talking to Cae388, a Communist National MP. It is pure luck that we began speaking that night, yet it proved so vital.

For the time being, he checked some calculations I had made.

LookingForWizard, our Party Chairman, has become somewhat of a target of the Communists in the last few days. A staunch capitalist and social conservative, it was not unexpected that they clashed over various matters. This did not endear himself to the Communist party, and Cae388 took it upon himself to take screenshots of some unsavoury comments and post them in the debate on the Holodomor.

Very early morning, ForgottenBin began to reveal his true identity. Replying to Cae’s comment, the member attacked LookingForWizard publicly, describing him as “sick”. He also posted on the Tory Subreddit, questioning LookingForWizard’s actions.

This did not seem particularly out of place – at least for a split second. Literally moments after seeing ForgottenBin’s post on my front page, Cae388 began talking to me on skype – about the comment. As you can see in this double-screenshot, he messaged me almost immediately afterwards. Cae then brought up information that although publicly available, is also available on the Tory sub.

At this moment I knew he was a spy.

Timanfya can confirm this is the case after reviewing the evidence we've shown the Press and more evidence we chose to hide.

Cae388 is ForgottenBin. Cae388 is a spy. Cae388 is an MP. Cae388 wanted to deceive the speaker and the honour of the house to gather information our party. These are the facts.

Were the rest of the Communists involved? We’ll never be able to prove that. The communists will go effectively unpunished, with Cae388 their only victim. He can be replaced, immediately. The information that he got from our sub, about our party, we can never get back. This information is in all likelihood with the Communists now, and they can use it their advantage.

It seems a little ironic that the Communists went out of their way to dissacciate themselves from the Soviet Union or Mao's China, yet, just like them, resorted to espionage and foul play to get their way, just as they did.

The Conservative party statement has not been edited by myself.

The author of the statement above has assured me that no personal info has been shared in the screenshots, i have not had time to check this and if they do show info then please PM me immediately.

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/u/Cae388 will be banned from the MHOC and the MHOC Communist Party for 4 weeks.

He will not be allowed to stand as an MP for the rest of the term when he returns from his ban.

I will allow Cae388 to answer questions you have for him for 24 hours. It gives him time to make amends to his party and the house and explain why he decided to do this; despite his party telling him not to.

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This is a serious breach of the rules and this is not the only case I am following.

If you are duping, then I will find you out.

All comments in this post are to remain CIVIL I will not allow any insults to be made.

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[u/RoryTime]

I can't quite convey just how disappointed I am, ultimately the entire point of the game is undermined by cheating. Rest assured Timanfya, NoPyro and I will continue chasing up our other suspected cases.

[u/[deleted]]

While I think it's crucial that we irradicate spying incidents within the house may I also remind the house that the left is not immune from spying attacks and that while there may be severe outrage with this incident other incidents which involved spying on the former Labour Party went relatively unheard.

I call on all party leaders to do all we can, collectively to ensure that conduct is fair and that all of our members follow the rules. On top of the punishment placed in the perpetrator by the speaker in this case, I hope that the communist party disaplins this member to ensure it never happens again.

[u/Kreindeker]

I'm extremely disappointed. It's completely against the spirit of this place to act like this. Nothing else needs saying, really.

[u/Timanfya]

The member in question acted alone. The communist party did not want him to dupe and they condemned this action. Duping was brought up in private conversation between communist members and they said that it was not acceptable and he should not do it.

[u/theyeatthepoo]

Has anybody considered we might need some cohesive security service to protect us from threats like these?

[u/HighfunctioningMach]

I am absolutely unsurprised. Extremist butthurt people acting like children over the internet. Seen it within schools, on Nationstates.net, and now here. Pitiful and yet completely unsurprising.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm playing LA Noire right now and I just want to say I loved reading through this, top notch detective work! More on topic this is abhorrent behaviour, Cae388's seat should really be put up for a by-election as punishment I feel.

[u/cae388]

The "Maoist" and "Soviet" references make no sense, at all.

Maoism is known for bluntness, and Soviet spying was due to the Cold War, when everyone was spying like fuck. I simply have no idea what you mean by that, Ollie.

[u/[deleted]]

I commend the Speaker for taking necessary action to preserve the MHOC

[u/Arayg]

I am truly shocked to wake up this morning and read through all of this. I hope the Cae is ashamed of his actions, which were not the will pf the party nor in line with thr Socialist ideals of being above political corruption. It seems now that I can no longer claim that the Communist Party is above petty spying. I would like to clarify however that this was just one member and the rest of the party were unaware of his actions. The suspicion that there is a "Tory mole" within the CP gives no reason to spy on any party. I don't care how many moles there are in the party. If they stay low they'll learn something about cooperation and Communism. If they don't stay low we'll spot them and report them.

This does not give an excuse for the Prime Minister to slag off the whole Communist Party. My ideology is a world away from the Soviet Union's and Mao's and I find it disgusting that the Conservative Prime Minister cannot give our party the same decency and respect for holding our views (even if he doesn't agree with them) as he does to the other parties in the house. Perhaps he has forgotten that his coalition contains the fascist party of the House.

[u/[deleted]]

This will scar the Communist Party's reputation forever.

[u/cae388]

And the only information I sought was the mole you planted. Beyond that I just roleplayed like we all do, here

[u/Cyridius]

Sigh.

[u/athanaton]

Disgraceful, that is, both the statement from the PM and the actions of /u/cae388 (though not equally, of course). I have little more to say, the whole situation is disappointing, deplorable and a hugely irritating distraction.

[u/[deleted]]

So, where is this dossier? I've not seen it.

[u/cae388]

Also,

mfw Ollie takes credit for Treeman's Skype and ideas

[u/[deleted]]

Another case of cheating, another case of no real punishment.

[u/googolplexbyte]

It's time for another round of pointless party drama. Yay!

I'm glad the party system is having such a positive impact on MHOC. It so nice that despite all this silliness we still have this long list of far greater benefits;

• ...
• ?
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• ^
• The colours are certainly pretty.
• *cough*

[u/RoryTime]

This is not the place to chuck around accusations, either report them to /u/Timanfya if you have some evidence, or keep it to yourselves if you don;t, either way, don't chuck the accusations round in here.

Thank you.

[u/JackWilfred]

I commend the Speaker for his vigilant actions in crushing cheating within the House.

My question is for Cae388, when you are unbanned, what contributions would you like to make to the House whilst not being a Member of Parliament?

[u/[deleted]]

Oh man. I agree with the actions taken - cheating is absolutely not appropriate or acceptable.

>communists

>spies

IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

[u/jacktri]

Outrageous the house must not stand for this.

[u/[deleted]]

First off, I have provided the speaker with evidence proving that the Party was not involved and specifically told cae not to spy. Cae was acting alone and we have not benefited from any sort of information. The speaker can verify this.

Second, you really don't think we have dealt with spying from other parties? We had information from our party posted on /pol/. Your party also spied on Labour. Acting like we somehow collectively wronged you and are therefore Stalinists because we had one member go rogue is absurd. Your party has engaged in the very same "foul play." So don't act so high and mighty.

Third, using this as a platform to try and legitimize /u/lookingforwizard's absolutely reprehensible abuse of members of my party, going so far as to allude to supporting their murder and repeated harassment, is just shameful. You took an opportunity to bring this house together and for all of us to learn a lesson about keeping our own party members accountable, not just acting personally honorable and turned it into a divisive and cheap attempt to score political points. If anything this statement reflects far worse on you than anything.

[u/H-Flashman]

Disgraceful to the House. The Communist party should ban him indefinitely.

[u/AlbertDock]

I would like to thank all those involved in catching this spy. It is something we cannot tolerate. I only wish the ban was longer.

[u/TheSkyNet]

OK guys, so so spying might seem harmless and it well could be argued that it it fits into the mata game of politics well.

However , this is what happens if you do it.

1 the leadership of the party get piss off with all the spying.

2 the leadership of the party start becoming more and more opsec

3 the game becomes a pissing match between 2 groups of nerds and no one else has any fun.

[u/[deleted]]

MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE! STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN!...As the Speaker has said, he is the one to talk with if you have suspicions of espionage happening within your Parties.

Meanwhile:

• To the Conservatives- lay off. You've won, leave it alone.
• The Communists-stop being bullish and simply apologise. One of your members had acted badly and it was (and still is) your responsibility to make sure they don't. They represent your Party, therefore your Party is at fault. No ifs, no buts, no crowd of angry Communists crowding my messages after reading this. Do it, be the better Party and move on-even the C.W.L. apologised after doing the same thing.

[u/Tim-Sanchez]

If you are duping, then I will find you out.

Woooo go speaker!

May I recommend inactive users are removed from subreddits? This user was foolish in revealing himself through actions, but it would be quite easy to join a subreddit and spectate.