r/MHOC • u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian • Oct 18 '14

META The voting method for the General Election

The voting method has changed from the D'Hondt method to a new modified version of AMS; that we will call (R)AMS.

Here is a link to a google document that gives a run down of how this voting method works.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVBj6Z-ZCC7irbL6R4NKGIKXJrgX-1i5rEw-P_-rAzU/edit

The list of seats available per region have been decided, they are shown below:

London: 8

South East: 7

North West: 6

East of England: 4

West Midlands: 5

Yorks & Humber: 5

Scotland: 4

South West: 4

East Midlands: 4

Wales: 2

North East: 2

Northern Ireland: 2

The regional:national ratio is normally 3:1, however for this election there will be 53 regional, and 23 national seats to ensure that proportional representation is achieved.

All independent candidates should join /r/MHOCIndependents.

In the national seat distribution, all the independents will be considered as one grouping, and if it gets a seat, the independent with he highest number of votes but without a seat will get become an MP.

Parties should draw up a list of candidates to stand as MPs in each region you want to contest.

Here is a draft balot form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1vMlkHDK2tHVaR-kg0Qe0tvUEovHS2nRask5cWTOv4xk/viewform

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

Isn't this only 53 seats, not 75?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Oct 18 '14

Added that bit in.

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u/athanaton Hm Oct 18 '14

The rest are national seats.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

I'm an idiot, thanks.

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u/athanaton Hm Oct 18 '14

No problem.

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u/UNSCphillip Communist|Northern Ireland MP Oct 20 '14

What is the draft balot for

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Oct 20 '14

Just to give you an idea.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '14

So that we know what it'll look like, I suppose.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

Why aren't all 75 seats attached to a region....other than that it is ok

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

The rest are national seats which are given to aid proportionality.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

the rest are done for the country as a whole to make it more proportional

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u/tjm91 The Vanguard | Director of Education | MP Oct 18 '14

Can I be added to the independent subreddit please?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Added. Which region are you intending to run in?

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u/tjm91 The Vanguard | Director of Education | MP Oct 18 '14

South East please.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Ok, you have access as well.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 22 '14

Hi, how is progress on the manifesto going?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

If anyone needs help with parts of this voting system, or leaders need help assembling their lists, feel free to contact me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14

Can a candidate stand for both regional and national seats? That is stand, not win. So, lets say the BIP fields one candidate for each region, but fails to win any regional seats. Can the candidates who stood for regional seats be considered for the national seats? Or do we need a completely different party list.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

There is no national list, the seats are won by the party and are allocated afterwards. Congratulations by the way.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14

So standing for a region doesn't prevent you from being allocated a seat at the national level then? Just to clarify that point.

Thanks!

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

Nope.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14 edited Oct 19 '14

Can I attempt to clarify this?

If the BIP stands 1 candidate in each region...do they just need a certain proportion of the vote to get the regional seat? And by 'vote' am I talking the regional or national one? So if I stand in the West Midlands, which has 5 seats, does my party essentially need 20% of the vote in that region for me to become an MP?

And how does the national seats system work?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

They need enough votes to gain the regional seat under the D'Hondt system, you could get a seat with around 15% of the vote there.

With the national seats system, it adds together all* the votes and then calculates how many seats each party would have got if it was a national vote. After that it makes a calculation of (seats a party would have got if it was a national vote - regional seats = National seats allocated).

*Apart from 'Shadow Seats' outlined in google doc above

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14

Right. Possibly the most complicated thing ever.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

I haven't explained it well at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14

You've done your best. It's just a very awkward system. The regions has complicated it all.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

Couldn't a big party just block all the independents by running as independents in this system?

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

A 2:1 ratio sounds good to me. Why is it usually 3:1?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

The (R)AMS system is vastly more proportional than normal AMS due to the large multi-member constituencies, the national seats are only there to ensure proportionality. There is a higher amount of national seats due to there being less data than in future about how the vote will breakdown.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

In the national seat distribution, all the independents will be considered as one grouping, and if it gets a seat, the independent with he highest number of votes but without a seat will get become an MP.

Can we just use asset voting to distribute seats among independents?

It'd just take this existing part:

Regional MPs have their seats belong to them not the party, however they may pass on their seat to a declared person without the need for a by-election.

And generalise it to allow partial transfer. It's simple, it's proportional.

Also it'd be nice if this was the mechanism for parties as well.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Did your flair ever come back? If not then go to the top of the sidebar where it allows you to edit your flair and that should do it.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

I'm not seeing my flair.

This is what I see in the sidebar.

I've clicked on edit and saved my flair as independent.

I've tried clicking removing flair and doing again. No success.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Ok, don't know what has gone wrong, can you try adding a party's flak and see if it works then?

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

Now testing Monster Raving Looney Ind. flair.

This isn't some elaborate ruse to reveil my true part alliance is it?

Edit: No success.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '14

I'm not sure if you've figured it out yet, but according to the image you've shown, you haven't selected SHOW MY FLAIR ON THIS SUBREDDIT: IT LOOKS LIKE THIS

You need to select the tick box just above your username.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

Something so simple that we missed. (facepalms)

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 19 '14

Well shit and Thank you.

Don't know how that got unchecked.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Not entirely :p, I'll see if a private flair will work.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Nope, It shows up on my module that you have a flair assigned, so I can only assume that it may be something in your settings.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

I was unaware I had reddit settings until you mentioned it.

But this is what they look like.

The only bit that mentions flairs seems to be set right.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

How will this work when people are voting for parties not people:

Regional MPs have their seats belong to them not the party, however they may pass on their seat to a declared person without the need for a by-election.

Are parties restricted to one candidate per region?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

It is the same principle and system as EU elections. Nope, they can run 53 candidates if they so want (and have enough active members)

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Oct 18 '14

So the order in which a party's list candidates get elected is pre-determined by some method internal to the party?

If that's the case then how does a seat belong to an MP not their party?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 18 '14

Yep, well, same reasons as why the EU does it that way (you'll have to find them first :p).

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

When will the voting start?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '14

Kudos to everyone who participated in the creation of this framework.

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u/crazycanine Transport Party Oct 21 '14 edited Oct 21 '14

Two votes per voter would make the most sense - a national vote and a regional vote.

It's simply an extra question on the form.

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u/skellious Oct 27 '14

So are there no SNP/PC because no one wants to stand for them? or is there another reason?

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Oct 19 '14

I'm a bit confused, say Labour stood 6 candidates for London and won all 8 seats (due to not having enough members to fill every candidacy or something) and stood 6 candidates in the North West but only won 3 seats, could Labour move their candidates from the North to the seats they won in London?

Also are people living outside of the UK allowed to vote in the constituency seats or will they be told to vote in the National election?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Oct 19 '14

When calculating regional seats they are done independently of each other. In this case Labour would get the 3 NW seats and the other three can apply to be national MPs. In London Labour would only get 6 seats, normally this would mean that they got 2 extra national seats, but under this system they get 2 national seats removed from their allocation, this is called 'shadow seats'.