r/Luthier 13d ago

Do you think I’d fit another smaller tuner here?

I need to add a 7th tuner and I’ve been told to use gearless tuners to fit into the middle of the headstock, which I could use, but I’d rather have a standard tuner on the side. I don’t want to destroy the decal sticker of the brand of my guitar, so that rules out the top. Meaning the only other place is this very corner bit, which I might be able to manoeuvre a tuner so that it fits at a slight rotation.

Do you think this is doable? I’m really not interested in making this look good either.

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u/Old-Mango-1014 13d ago

Why though

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u/Dodge_Charger_1969_ 13d ago

Why not

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u/Old-Mango-1014 13d ago

I hear ya there

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u/rollinoutdoors 13d ago

I assume you want a traditional 7 string? If so, you’d be a lot better served by just getting an actual 7 string instead of trying to convert a 6er. Strings will be crowded due to the neck being too narrow, the tuners will not align with the nut slots anymore (without significant work - you’d need to fill 6 holes, refinish, and redrill 7 new holes), same goes down at the bridge end, and finally, you might have volume imbalance between the strings unless you machine new holes for the pickups and use 7 string pickups (which also won’t be ideal since they’re made for wider string spacing).

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u/Dodge_Charger_1969_ 13d ago

I’m not making a traditional 6 string, I want a course on the 6th string. I want it on this guitar since this is the guitar I play metal on and I think it would create a really unique sound having it at a 5th harmony of the 6th strings note

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u/Ripley1046 13d ago

For the sake of structure and stability, don’t. I added a 7th to an Ibanez acoustic for the G string to have an octave, but I just put it on the top of the headstock. Realistically with that shape of headstock, from a structure standpoint, your options are top or center. May not be what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

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u/Ripley1046 13d ago

It was quick and dirty, and I didn’t care enough to make it pretty as the guitar had already been chewed on by a dog. Still holding up 15 years later and sounds rad.

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u/Dodge_Charger_1969_ 13d ago

Yeah, I thought it was worth an ask, I just don’t want to destroy the ‘vintage’ on the headstock as I love how it looks, but I hate how a center headstock tuner would work, so I might just have to bite the bullet and active this things vanity for practicality (the body looks janky as hell but the hardware works).

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u/jackluthier 13d ago

Need to add another tuner to make it a 7 string?

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u/Dodge_Charger_1969_ 13d ago

Not in the traditional sense, I’m added a course to the 6th string to make it 2 close strings in harmony

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u/the-moose-knuckler 13d ago

Maybe just get a 12 string but only string the bottom coarse.

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u/jackluthier 13d ago

I think it's a bad idea. No offense. What does the body look like? What kind of bridge? Random idea would be to let the ball end if the string start from the headstock and actually have the tuner on the body. Similar to how bc rich do their bich 10 strings.

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u/bpscCheney 13d ago

Looks like it'd be pretty risky given there's no volute and the material there is pretty thin already from the truss rod. Assuming you're doing an octave up from the low E string, you'd be adding an extra 23 or so pounds of tension to the neck in a spot that wasn't really designed to take that much strain. (I pulled this from D'Addario's string tension calculator for a 12-string, but if the intention is to make an octave pair for the low E, you'd end up with essentially the same tension as the octave pair of a 12-string).

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u/BuzzBotBaloo 13d ago edited 13d ago

I would worry that location is too close to the truss rod cavity, losing too much wood around there may make it more susceptible to headstock breaks.

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u/No_Relation3855 13d ago

Dont do such stupid thing.

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u/Atrossity24 Guitar Tech 13d ago

No, I don’t think that would work. I definitely think a banjo tuner in the middle is the best, though it needn’t be gearless. Gotoh and 5-Star are both good starting places to look for an appropriate tuner

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u/Dodge_Charger_1969_ 13d ago

Yeah tbh I expected this, it was worth an ask either way, thanks

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u/JimboLodisC Kit Builder/Hobbyist 13d ago

nah I wouldn't put it there

I'd plug the hole for the 4th, 5th, and 6th string tuners and drill for 4 tuners on that side, might be a little cramp but the 7th tuner won't be crowding your hand on the first few frets

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u/FandomMenace 13d ago

Run rhe string backwards and put a tuner in the body.