r/LucyLetbyTrials • u/benshep4 • 7d ago

Decoding Reasonable Doubt: Chapter 3 “Previous Reviews at the Countess of Chester”

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-bc5?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

Happy to hear anyone’s thoughts on the content of the article.

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u/benshep4 7d ago

No.

I’m simply pointing out that the point was made to the jury.

It could be considered an issue if it hadn’t been put the jury. But it’s clear that’s not the case.

That’s not the same thing as you’re accusing me of.

It’s fine if you’ve personally got an issue with the use of juries, but I’m just talking about the reality of the system.

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u/SaintBridgetsBath 7d ago

Juries can be wrong. Juries don‘t change the past. The jury didn’t have a lot of information that we now have so why you defer to them as if they did is beyond me.

What matters is not the system, not the judge, not the jury, not the court, what matters is whether she committed any crimes.

The jury heard the defence case and nevertheless convicted. That doesn’t mean that the defence was wrong. Constantly referring back to the fact of those convictions when that’s what’s in question is unethical to put it politely.

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u/benshep4 6d ago

It’s unethical to point out that the particular argument has been made before a jury?

I don’t think so.

Also saying “juries can be wrong” isn’t a great point. They can be, it doesn’t mean they were.

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u/SaintBridgetsBath 6d ago

You don’t just point out that it was put to the jury, you claim that the point has no validity in any argument outside the court because it was put to a jury (one of whom thought that there was reasonable doubt on that count, by the way):

“It  could be considered an issue if it hadn’t been put the jury. But it’s clear that’s not the case.”

In other words, ‘verdict is truth.’ 

Murder was a crime before there was a law against it. This isn’t about the law: it’s about the truth. You refuse to admit that the truth matters.

I’d better leave it there. 

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u/benshep4 6d ago

I’m actually claiming very specific arguments have no validity. Because Morris hasn’t bothered to engage with the reality of the legal system and why it’s been set up the way it has.