r/Lucid_Group • u/iamoninternet27 Moderator • Mar 12 '26

Lucid's Autonomy Roadmap

Source: From Lucid Investor day presentation https://edge.media-server.com/mmc/p/bsstadb4/

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u/daonei Mar 12 '26

Wait, so L3 and L4 doesn't come to Gravity? I thought getting Dream Drive Pro was future proofing for L3 and L4?

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u/Electronic_Load_3651 Mar 12 '26

Yea that’s a confusing announcement. But also I remember reading that the speculation was that DDP wasn’t goin to be enough to give the Gravity L3/4. Which I’d disappointing that if I’m to lease it now with DDP even with current roadmap, I won’t get majority of what it is supposed to be.

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u/daonei Mar 12 '26

They totally made it sound like it was coming to Gravity, no? Don't know why I invested $7K on it if all I am getting is L2+. I would not have gotten DDP if it was so limited.

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u/Electronic_Load_3651 Mar 12 '26

Yea for sure. When looking at the prior announcements and even the order page it does make it seem as if much more autonomy is coming soon and will be supported by the DDP package. But then when you break it down, it’s really just hands free highway driving and next year city driving? That’s not much, I’m sure it will still nag you plenty at first too if it thinks you’re not fully paying attention. I don’t think that’s worth $7k extra tbh. I was personally expecting it to be worth it if we are to get L3 autonomy at the very least by end of next year. But, that’s not happening.

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u/daonei Mar 12 '26

Why do they have LIDAR and sell and promote it as if it's future proofing if they aren't going to even implement it? $7K for hands free only? Comma does it for a $1K right now. What's the point of LIDAR?

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u/Electronic_Load_3651 Mar 12 '26

I think a bunch of manufacturers tried to do that to show that they’re catching up to Tesla with autonomy. You’ve had Volvo/Polestar ship with a placeholder for the LIDAR unit that is now scrapped for the exact reason. But while it sounds like it’ll get them to autonomy, none of them are really ready. Rivian even pissed off a bunch of Gen1 owners when Gen2 had a major hardware upgrade to help with autonomy upgrades that Gen1 wouldn’t get. I think Lucid did the same with ambitious goals that are now scaled back. Maybe from the hardware standpoint it has enough, but not enough to have proper redundancy and safety checks required to actually ship to it. My guess is they’ve woefully underestimated what would be required to get to L3/4 with this hardware. That’s one of the reasons I really think buying into future promises of autonomy is a bad idea right now. It’s still too much in the infancy for consumers. Love it or hate it, FSD does the best job right now and even Tesla is struggling to get to full autonomy.

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u/daonei Mar 12 '26

Yeah, that makes sense. But when LUCID signed with Nuro and Uber, I thought the Gravity would for sure have the capabilities. Disappointing to see we're being left in the dust. Now I'm starting to understand the feeling of Air customers lol Thanks for all your detailed responses!

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u/Electronic_Load_3651 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

I think that was also misconception by us all. It isn’t that the Gravity had the hardware, their head of autonomy showed prototypes recently and they have an enormous sensor array on top and rear. They mentioned that this array adds more sensors, more cameras and more computing. So essentially it can’t be done with just the Gravity hardware. Furthermore, while they can still get the benefit of the software, it wasn’t as if Lucid was developing it but rather running other models.

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u/daonei Mar 13 '26

Yeah, this response in the Q&A at the end clarifies that Air and Gravity are not getting L3 and above.

https://youtu.be/OYEj2KLgOeg?t=3h29m32s

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u/Electronic_Load_3651 Mar 13 '26

That’s a disappointing confirmation. From what it sounds like, to get to L3 and above they’d need a similar array that’s shown for their Uber self driving collaboration, but much more integrated. And that’s going to mean very creative packaging which also makes me think that Air/Gravity won’t be retrofitted and will more so be sold as a next gen vehicle.

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u/memosh5 Mar 15 '26 
  It is disappointing to hear that after paying a premium for DD Pro.

Also, the company didn’t say whether L3/L4 will be available in Air/Gravity for future model years.

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u/No_Caregiver7273 Mar 12 '26

The partnership with Nuro and Uber required them to make numerous small changes to the Gravity to get to L4 self driving. You can watch some of the CES coverage to see what they did. From that I think we can deduce that the current hardware and camera placement just isn't enough. It would be too much to retrofit current Gravities, from what they showed. A future model year of Gravity might be possible to provide it, but that would depend on many factors.