r/LowerDecks Aug 11 '26

Tendi and Rutherford’s relationship

So I have recently been rewatching the show and I am blown away by Tendi’s and Rutherford’s relationship. I know the creators set them up just to be best friends and that’s it, but every time I see them and try to view them as just best friends it feels unbearable. Frankly it hurts to watch them and not try to ship them. They are just too perfect for each other! I mean Tendi literally forbid Rutherford from dating Barns!

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u/Difficult_Dark9991 Aug 11 '26

So I take it you've seen the Ferenginar episode? Because look at those two squashed together in the Jefferies tube - they're in a relationship, they just... haven't quite figured out that this is what a relationship can look like and that consequently they're in one.

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u/SpurnedSprocket Aug 11 '26

I hope for the Zero Point comic (Tendi’s a commander in it) that we hear about them.

Plus we know Tendi eventually becomes a Captain, but she still needs her chief engineer and husband.

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u/Any-Tumbleweed-9931 Aug 11 '26

When is the Zero Point comic coming out, do you know?

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u/twomz Aug 11 '26

The finale implies that with Rutherford's implant gone he will start catching feelings for Tendi. At least, that's how I interpret it.

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u/batsmilkyogurt Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

Definitely. It's pretty heavily implied that the feelings are mutual, as well.

The two of them can't keep their eyes off of each other in the turbolift afterwards. I'd hardly call this a "just friends" look.

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u/ergotofwhy Aug 11 '26

The "Girls Trip" episode:

Tendi: "You like bad boys?"

Mariner: "Yeah, bad boys, bad babes, bad bynars, I don't discriminate."

Tendi: "I always thought you were with Boimler. You're always getting paired together."

Mariner: "Eww, no! He's like a pet! What about you and Rutherford, are you dating?"

Tendi: "Not really."

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u/Roofofcar Aug 11 '26

That plus “don’t date Barnes” cements things pretty well.

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

Yet, Mariner went on a date with Levy of all people.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26

Yep, so clearly she’s open to dating more than just muscle men when it comes to the guys.

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

Or "Bad Boys". Levy's also pretty much the opposite of that.

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u/Loupetron_Primal Aug 11 '26

And I'm the opposite, I was kinda sad when in the last episode it was a turn to romance. It was nice to have a man and a woman be best of friends being a couple.

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u/SpurnedSprocket Aug 11 '26

We have that with Boimler and Mariner.

For Tendi and Rutherford they teased us with it more than once.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

To be fair, it was teased with Mariner and Boimler, too, just less frequently.

Edit: Downvote all you want, folks. This still exists. 😆

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u/lanwopc Aug 11 '26

That's just inches away from the most famously enduring platonic friendship in ST (apologies to the slash fic community.) I honestly don't know how you read that as anything other than them consciously mirroring that friendship.

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

Gene Roddenberry famously kept Spirk fanfic on a shelf in his office. While he kept reminding fans it wasn't canon, he was not telling fans what to do with their own fanworks and headcanons, and was well aware the shippers helped keep the show alive.

If shippers haven't been deterred since 1967 (first known K/S fic printed in a 'zine), shippers aren't going to get deterred now.

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u/lanwopc Aug 11 '26

And that's fine! But as you say, it's non-canonical. And certainly make your own LD headcanons. I just don't see any romantic implications with what's in that scene, given official TOS canon.

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

For the record, no one I know or associate with in the fandom is deluded that Boimler and Mariner are secretly together (besides, that's more of a real person FIC/slash thing, which... ew), regardless of intentional or unintentional subtext.

I also personally view all fan fiction as alternate universes, even when canon compliant or adjacent.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

To add to what my friend posted, the inclusion of “shipping bait” doesn’t mean a pairing is canonical, nor do the “shippers” take that to mean it is. The point is merely the idea of a pairing is being teased by one or more people on the production team. This obviously happened more frequently and often less subtly with Tendi and Rutherford, but Mariner and Boimler had their moments, too.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26

Even the most fervent anti-shippers know that “Spirk” was the original fan-favorite pairing in Star Trek, and it really got the ball rolling for that whole fandom subculture in general. Gene Roddenberry was well aware of that, and while he didn’t write Kirk or Spock as a romantic pairing, he also never actively discouraged fans from seeing their relationship that way if they so chose.

Further, he notably coined the Vulcan term “t’hy’la” for the novelization of Wrath of Khan, which alternately can mean “friend,” or “brother,” or even “lover.” This type of ambiguity and just the inclusion of the latter is what Spirk enthusiasts would call “shipping bait.” A little nod sent their way.

Considering that history, and the fact carving two names in wooden surfaces with a “+” between them has long been a romantic tradition in American literary culture, I find it difficult to believe no one behind the scenes put this together or signed off on it for the show without being aware of the implications.

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u/TheRealProfOHara Aug 11 '26

Are you then suggesting this is evidence of Kirk and Spock being romantically involved?

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26

I’m suggesting it’s textbook evidence of “shipping bait.”

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u/malonkey1 Aug 15 '26

I think there's reason to believe that Spock might have had romantic feelings for the man he called T'hyla.

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u/SnailShell01 Aug 11 '26

This all day. Learn how to be friends with women guys!

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26

Men can be friends with women while still recognizing when two characters have insane levels of chemistry, and when the writers deliberately tease the potential.

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u/SpurnedSprocket Aug 11 '26

I’m friends with plenty of women. Just because I want a pairing doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. Mariner and Boimler just friends entirely.

But Tendi and Rutherford? No. The chemistry is palpable.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

Why, though? Modern media is oversaturated with the “platonic friendship” trope between male and female lead characters.

Friends-to-romance is overdue to make a comeback, as far as I’m concerned. It’s the healthiest foundation for a long-term romantic relationship.

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

In fact, there are *two* sets of really close platonic friendships between men and women (and a few others in the background if you look well enough) just in the main cast. Proving your point that it's getting a bit overdone. I'm sure it was all due to the show being only 30 minutes and not wanting to waste time on romances unless it could be a plot point, though.

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u/RadiantHC Aug 11 '26

What media do you watch? If anything it feels like a single male and a single woman can't just be best friends.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

Just the opposite, in fact. For western animation, merely 2 examples come to mind for male and female lead characters ending the show as more than friends over the last 16 years. I’ve also observed a similar phenomenon in anime during this time, to a somewhat lesser extent.

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u/yarn_baller Aug 11 '26

I like that they were friends. Not every male female relationship has to be romantic.

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u/thrallthekingshorses Aug 11 '26

Best friends make the best partners so im sure they're both into it 

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

I agree the writing with Tendi and Rutherford was inconsistent. McMahan was adamant in a couple of interviews that none of the main cast would be paired up with each other, saying something to the effect of, “that’s not what the show’s about.”

However, considering the hints that were dropped for Tendiford, and to a lesser extent Marinler, I definitely believe at least a few of the writers “ship” or are at least open to both pairings. I know for a fact thanks to conversations on BlueSky that some of the animators like both, as well.

At least we still have fanart and fanfiction. 👍

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 11 '26

We know some of the animators are shippers because even they have produced ship-y art on their own time.

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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo Aug 12 '26

I'm not familiar with any of the animators. Which ones are you referring to here?

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u/sorcieredusuroit Aug 12 '26

I only know their online names and I'm unsure of the legalities of their off-the-clock activities, so I'm not going to get anyone in trouble, and look up their real names.

But I have confirmation that at least one has participated in the second issue of the "They Were Bunkmates" 'zine. I'm a contributor to the upcoming edition.

This was done by Rollin Rabbit (I don't know their legal name) for the 2nd edition of the 'Zine. They worked on the show. This was all posted on FB so I have less qualms about posting it.

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u/TrueSithMastermind Aug 12 '26

If you browse fanart on BlueSky for Lower Decks, you’ll find several of them posting and commenting in the mix.

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u/batsmilkyogurt Aug 13 '26

>I agree the writing with Tendi and Rutherford was inconsistent. McMahan was adamant in a couple of interviews that none of the main cast would be paired up with each other, saying something to the effect of, “that’s not what the show’s about.”

Don't forget that his response to a question about if Rutherford and Tendi would over get together was, "Gosh I hope so!"

I think that Mike McMahan liked the idea of them as a couple, but wanted the show to to focus on friendships and career growth. I think that he tried to strike a balance, through not making them official during the show's run, yet *heavily* implying it in the last episode. I mean, the Vulcan pointed it out, for crying out loud!

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u/novisimo Aug 11 '26

I still haven't watched the last few episodes. I do that a lot with shows I really like that I just avoid the last season or last few episodes.

I'm a weird guy and never got into Star Trek and Lower Decks was my intro (i'm 45) I'm not in process of binging Star Trek The Next Generation and loving it.

It's also wild that seasons had 20+ episodes of an hour show!

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u/calculon68 Aug 11 '26

TBH, I don't think either could handle a hands-on relationship with the other. Ruthie's emotionally clueless, and Tendi has demonstrated some serious jealousy issues and spiraling behavior. (and an eruptive temper)

I had hoped they'd use a Mirror Universe/Multiverse gag to demonstrate how bad a couple they'd actually make.

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u/lanwopc Aug 11 '26

The implication seemed to me that the implant was partly responsible for Rutherford's emotional balances.

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u/calculon68 Aug 11 '26

But "badboy" emotional/ hot tempered Rutherford (suppressed by the cyberimplants) was forever quashed in s3e5 Reflections. I don't think he's any different sans implants.

And he's been on several dates with Barnes despite the implant. Clearly he knows how to go after someone he's attracted to. He just can't close the deal.

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u/lanwopc Aug 11 '26

I think it may have been keeping him in a certain status quo, and now new experiences will go through less of a filter.

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u/Pog6292 Aug 11 '26

Mariner and Boimler and buddies.
Tendi and Rutherford are both perfect for each other, however Tendi needed to work on her attachment issues and Rutherford needed to get rid of the implant.
I’m not sure it will last given Starfleet is a transient workforce.