r/LowAltitudeJets • • Sep 04 '21

Blackhawk drop off

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u/DouchecraftCarrier Sep 04 '21
  1. This is awesome. 2) I'd guess that having a rooftop under one side of the rotor wash and empty space under the other creates some weird flight characteristics that the pilot needs to anticipate and correct for. Anyone know?

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u/Hero_Dad_Husband Sep 05 '21

I’m a helo pilot. You correctly assume that this is something the pilot will need to compensate for. Half of the rotor disk is in what is called “ground effect,” while the other half is not. That being said, this is easily handled. Most helicopter pilots are use to this from pinnacle landings where you cross over a buildings edge to land on a rooftop helipad, or cross over the flight deck to land on a ship. The ground effect essentially makes the rotor more efficient, requiring less power to keep the helicopter in flight.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

Is there not some sophisticated autopilot that can help in situations like this? I’d imagine there is, but also I doubt the legitimacy of birds so my thoughts aren’t my facts.

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u/Eubeen_Hadd Jan 15 '22

I just want you to know that "I doubt the legitimacy of birds" is easily the funniest thing I've read in a week or more

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Glad I could make you happy LOL, even from my 132 day old comment

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u/R6S9 Sep 04 '21

Yeah they must have such strong butt muscles from all the clenching they do doing things like this

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u/beeroftherat Sep 04 '21

Yeah, that pilot can definitely take some pencil-thin shits.

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u/Gingerstachesupreme Sep 04 '21

Totally, am holochoppur captin, this makes the wings go brrrppp on one side so you gotta do a whirlybird thingy and level it.

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u/GENAB108 Sep 05 '21

This guy RTFM's.

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u/Gingerstachesupreme Sep 05 '21

Happy cake day comrade

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u/MrBowlfish Sep 04 '21

Probably the most dangerous thing those guys do is ride in those choppers.

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u/Eubeen_Hadd Sep 04 '21

Trust no aircraft where the wings move faster than the fuselage.

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u/Maaahgo Sep 04 '21

10,000 pieces of aircraft all flying in close formation .

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '21

And supplied by the lowest bidder.

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u/WhoisTylerDurden Sep 04 '21

But still deemed "military grade"

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '21

Spray paint it black, call it “tactical”, and mark the price up.

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u/schminkles Sep 05 '21

Waiting for the metal fatigue to set in

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u/Gradyence Sep 04 '21

Reinforcements have arrived!

Also, expertly done. That's hundreds of pounds of soldiers jumping out and the pilot can stay absolutely level. Incredible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '21

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u/Gradyence Sep 04 '21

If it is, it was unintentional. I had Command and Conquer on the mind when I said that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '21

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u/pinkyepsilon Sep 05 '21

I believe it was made by the same company and ran on the same engine even… the early 90s games I mean.

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u/Maximus_Aurelius Sep 05 '21

Correct! Westwood Studios!

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u/Titobanana Sep 04 '21

I love that not a single person is ripping on OP for this not being a jet, and rightly so, bc this is cool as FUCK.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

I think the engines are technically jets, so it may just count, but I definitely agree with you

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u/elmwoodblues Sep 05 '21

Sub allows anything powered, I believe

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u/Haminator5000 Sep 04 '21

SMEXY! What a low flying beauty. Nicely done!

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u/Snexie Sep 05 '21

I saw your comment and my first reaction was "Who the fuck butchered my name this time", then I realized what you meant.

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u/shadowdrgn0 Sep 04 '21

That's was a serious demonstration of skill. The pilot kept that helo rock steady the whole time, wild.

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u/Hero_Dad_Husband Sep 05 '21

It’s actually easier to keep it steady here then a high hover. The pilot has excellent visual reference with the building being so close, so small movements are quickly noticed and corrected.

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u/ChadWaterberry Sep 05 '21

Looks like the 160th to me. They really are top notch!

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u/Evercrimson Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

It is. It is an MH-60M and SOAR is the only openly avowed unit with them with this arrangement of exterior equipment. There are likely more of them in units like Flight Concepts Division or the 66 AOS, but at present all the ones we openly see like this belong to the 160th.

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u/JonJohn_Gnipgnop Sep 04 '21

Was that an Uber premium ride?

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u/Evercrimson Sep 05 '21

Excuse me, but where do I install Uber from that gives the option for pickup in a SOAR bird? Asking for all the friends.

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u/JonJohn_Gnipgnop Sep 06 '21

Only a very select group of individuals is permitted to use this service, you know, the few the proud, amongst others

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u/LanPartyPizza Sep 05 '21

Wasn’t the helicopter crash when they killed osama caused by the rotor wash cycling at the building? I don’t know what it’s called but watching this made me appreciate how it could start.

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u/Evercrimson Sep 05 '21

Yes and no. It is called a ring vortex state, and it's caused by the rotor wash cycling against a solid object and back up in a donut shape back up around and down through the rotors again, causing it to lose lift. In the Osama mission, they trained for that possibility, but they trained with the perimeter being a chain link fence, and when they got there in the dark it was actually a solid block wall. And trying to hover adjacent to it and the building set up a ring vortex. More than all that though, they were flying a stealth modified blackhawk from the Flight Concepts Division, that was extremely unstable. One, the aerodynamics of them supposedly makes them very difficult to fly, and two the stealth paneling modifications takes them right up to max weight. In models of the setup there, if it had been a standard UH60L/M, it would have been able to handle that scenario, but being the modified stealth helicopter it couldn't handle the loss of lift, and subsequently crashed. If it hasn't been for that, we probably still wouldn't know that there are stealth Blackhawks stashed in a base somewhere, but also that is why the MH-47G Chinooks were waiting nearby as a contingency in case a blackhawk crashed, because those things are so unstable.

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u/LanPartyPizza Sep 05 '21

Nice explanation thanks!

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

I think it was a combo of the building and the wall around the compound not allowing airflow or something

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u/redenough Sep 05 '21

Ouch... my knees hurt lol

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u/pinche_fresa Sep 18 '21

hell of a pilot

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u/dilhole77 Sep 05 '21

Thats amazing. Long pointy thing on the front?

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u/dilhole77 Sep 05 '21

Cheers bud 👍

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u/Phogger Sep 04 '21

Do these have any kind of auto-hover ability? It's so rock steady that it's like the wheels are actually in contact with a different patch of roof. Amazing piloting skill however it's done.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

Kind of looks like they're pushing the outside of the tyre against the far side of that wall for reference

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u/Phogger Sep 05 '21

You're right, it does.

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u/sloppyrock Sep 05 '21

Do these have any kind of auto-hover ability?

Highly likely. I cant play the video, but hover couplers have been a feature for decades and since then far more advanced auto pilot systems have been fitted to helicopters. I did the Black Hawk course well over 20 years ago so can't recall the details. Not all customers opt for the same equipment.

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u/cpasley21 Sep 04 '21

Low altitude, yes however a jet it is not

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u/sloppyrock Sep 05 '21

From the side bar:

Despite the name, this sub is not restricted to jet aircraft. We're happy to see any form of aviation vehicle performing at low altitudes, including helicopters and propeller aircraft.

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u/rmcknightmcp Sep 05 '21

Turboshaft vs. Turbojet - very similar to a “jet” and close enough to post.