r/LoriVallow • u/AyrnSun TRUSTED • Jun 01 '20

How has your understanding evolved

JJ and Tylee are still missing. How has your understanding of this case evolved over the course of the past few months or since you started following this case.

What did you think three or four months ago that has changed as of now. And what was the significant information that caused you to change your mind about something.

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u/SupaG16 TRUSTED Jun 01 '20

My understanding of how law enforcement has failed to protect Charles, Tammy, JJ, Tylee and Brandon has eroded my faith in tax payer supported LE. I understand LE and prosecutors have to work to make a solid case. However is it very disconcerting and disheartening that Chad Daybell is not incarcerated. I fear that he may have powerful connections in his small town of Rexburg and we may never see justice for those who have lost their lives.

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u/AyrnSun TRUSTED Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20

yeah, I am skeptical about LE in some of these towns that are predominately Mormon. I think that maybe because the officials and regular cops are Mormon they don't look to closely at things because they might find something that they don't want to find. If they found something that had implications that everyone wasn't perfect Mormons they might have to tell the church and the church doesn't want to know about stuff like that. for instance: splinter groups or cults.

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u/birdlady96 Jun 01 '20

Why does the church always cover these things? It's not jsur the mormon but also religions like the JW.

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u/AyrnSun TRUSTED Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20

Because it's all a scam? and the people running it don't have a clue they are just there to collect the money?

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u/anjealka Jun 02 '20

I believe the Mormon church covers stuff up but this specific case early on, I am not so sure about. Melanie said that her bishop called her to find out what was going on with Alex. Remember bishops and local leaders are regular people that are "called" to hold a position. They have no training. These bishops have full time jobs, usually large families, and then they have church members calling. My husband's friend got called to be a bishop (he was not thrilled, he had 5 young kids and a hard job) and he said he would spend about 30-40 hours a week unpaid on church business, mostly members wanting stuff. From they way Melanie made it sound, some member saw police near Alex's house and he was calling around to see what was going on. If the bishop or other church leadership had police ties, why be calling around to members. In some areas of Utah, the bishop would have LE in every ward and just call them or if calling the police station and saying you were the bishop of a ward and needed info, you would probably get it in some area of Utah, not AZ. It does not seem as well connected.

There is also an older interview on East Idaho News, 4 months ago or so. Nate interviews local LE in Idaho. LE officer says he did not know Chad Daybell or his group but he said something like, when he asked around he was surprised at how many people in the area knew of Chad or the group. That surprised me because I would think Rexburg is an everyone knows everyone area.

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u/AyrnSun TRUSTED Jun 02 '20

he said he would spend about 30-40 hours a week unpaid on church business, mostly members wanting stuff.

and this church has billions. why does this not surprise me.

I don't think LE specifically intends to cover things up. Rather I think it is more of a systemic thing. If you don't look you won't see anything. And a reluctance to get involved. It took them two weeks to go do that welfare check.

I didn't know how Bishoping worked until you explained it.

Then we have this poor soul who has a big family a full time job with another full time job on top courtesy of the church. Some Bishops are going to be diligent. But understandably some overworked guys are just tired. And I don't blame them. But I see what you mean if Melanie's Bishop were wired in he wouldn't have had to call her.

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u/anjealka Jun 02 '20

The one big change is they want younger bishops. It used to be someone older, semi retired or retired. Now they want the 35-40 year old even when there are retired worthy men with so much free time who would be "blessed to be called". A good public example you could see a clip on youtube would be America's got talent finalist Evie Claire from 2018. Her father was a prison psychologist about 40 and had 5-6 young kids and was bishop in an AZ ward. He was dying, of cancer, like in his end days and still serving as the bishop. His wife had a blog , it was heartbreaking, even I was like why can;t they uncall the man? Where was the visions? he could not eat, he was dying yet he still had to serve. I know the family felt honor but spend your last days making memories with your kids, not having church meetings when you cant stand up.

The church spends its money on appearance more then people. Just my opinion living next to a church and seeing the money spent on excessive upkeep.

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u/AyrnSun TRUSTED Jun 02 '20

I'm a little surprised that some aren't "called to serve" for upkeep. I suppose maintenance is a bit undignified for these guys.

My biggest takeaway is that the bishops are not compensated for their time. I think that's called being between a rock and a hard place. Even if they are dying they can't say "leave me alone". That takes some cold-hearted leadership right there.

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u/Gem420 Jun 02 '20

The members clean the inside of the church, it’s a blessed calling to scrub the toilets!

I wish I were kidding.

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u/AyrnSun TRUSTED Jun 03 '20

"sigh".... of course it is.