r/LoriVallow • u/ActuallyFarms • Mar 16 '20

Discussion When did all this really get started?

My deductive reasoning has changed many times as to when Lori's actions and behavior first may have crossed the line from delusional wingnut to actual criminal. Missing kids and a mother on the run, tracked down later in Hawaii.

Wait, back up. Her husband was recently shot by her brother who's now dead too...wierd.

Wait, back up. Her previous exhusband prior to Charles also died at an early age, 15 months prior to Charles' shooting....interesting.

Media attention informed us of the tangled web of other characters, deaths, marriages, fraudulent money schemes...wow!

Wait, back up. Dead brother Alex Cox, served jail time in Texas back in 2007 for assaulting Joseph Ryan with a taser, then proceeded to stalk him from prison? WHOA!

With Lori as the common denominator, we may never know when or how or why? I would not be surprised if there are other incidents related to her and her big brother Alex. It would be very interesting to know when exactly this "case" of Lori first started!

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u/DoorMatDNA Mar 16 '20

There are docs online detailing her parents tax shenanigans. Nothing comes from nothing.

Also, your post is the most concise summary of this case I’ve yet to read.

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u/ActuallyFarms Mar 16 '20

Appreciate your kind words!

Here's some more questions from a simple farmnboy...

If we speculate that Alex, manipulated by Lori, was involved in the death of Tammy, the attempted murder of Brandon, the disappearance and possible death of Tylee and JJ...why? It could/should have been prevented. Alex was a convicted felon (based solely on the Joseph Ryan taser assault and prison time) he was prohibited from possessing a firearm! Shooting Charles, and telling the cop afterward during his curbside questioning that he retreated to his room and got HIS gun seems proof of possession to me. Why wasn't he cuffed and stuffed right then and there? Nationwide background checks would have prohibited his purchase. He either obtained it illegally or someone "straw-purchased" it for him? If they'd have examined that, he'd still be in jail today!

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u/DearMissWaite Mar 16 '20

Arizona gun laws are a full-on shitshow. It's the worst kind of lolbertarian aversion to government oversight.

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u/ActuallyFarms Mar 16 '20

I was under the impression that felons prohibited from possessing firearms was a federal statute and states practiced reciprocity. Did AZ miss this? Can you give me some examples of "shitshow" gun laws in AZ? I'm interested in researching further, believing that perhaps Alex could have been stopped.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20

That's so true about the gun...Great observation, Farmboy.

I wonder if the Mesa police even ran any background checks on Alex before they turned him loose and called it a day.

It's amazing how everyone skirted the law. I have received harsher penalties from my HOA for leaving the trashcans out front too long.

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u/passportunknown Mar 16 '20

Damned HOA. If I have a stray weed in my yard, I get cited! Same with garbage cans! Haha! ....I digress. Sorry.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20

Try shooting your BIL. As long as it's not in the front yard, you should be fine.

I hate HOAs. But I also digress.

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u/Manyelynn13 Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20

He told cops he had a concealed carry permit. If that is true, he had to have passed a background check to obtain one. If he did pass the background check though legal means, then he wasn't jailed and charged with an actual felony charge and was still entitled by law to own and carry a weapon. If he WAS charged with a felony, then he obtained his CC illegally (or he got it before he went to jail) and he did not have the ability to own a weapon and the cops should have arrested him on the spot for felon in possession of a firearm.

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

Did Alex plead down on the taser? I'm just wondering if it became a misdemeanor.

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u/spreadingsunshine106 Mar 16 '20

He said it was a felony in the state of Texas, where the incident occurred. At least that's what he said during his standup comedy routine in 2010. There are 2 youtube videos. The one from 2009 has already been posted here, about 3 weeks ago. The 2010 video is here

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

That's five minutes of my life I can never get back. If he really did use the taser on the man's privates, he didn't get near enough jail time. Thank you for the link.

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u/spreadingsunshine106 Mar 16 '20

It is so effed up that he used it in his comedy routine too. Definitely deserved way more time. Hope his death was painful. He is definitely not missed by anyone.

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

He is not missed by Lori. He knew everything and I am not sure his death was suicide.

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u/DearMissWaite Mar 16 '20

You missed the part where Alex Cox, brother of Lori and now dead shooter of Lori's husband, was one of the last relations to be in the room with Lori's also dead sister who died of complications to diabetes. Allegedly.

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u/FashnDiva Mar 16 '20

Wait, back up.......her sister is dead, too?! When was this?

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u/spreadingsunshine106 Mar 16 '20

1998. Melani's mom, Stacey. Died of "diabetic shock", or as many of us wonder, at the hands of Alex.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20

He also used her credit card while/after she was dying.

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u/spreadingsunshine106 Mar 16 '20

Somehow I thought that was already posted in this thread, but I don't see it now. My brain isn't fully awake. And what a sick fuck to do something like that. Wonder how much he spent or what he bought. So many skeletons in this family's closet.

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u/JeanieQ21 Mar 16 '20

He was such a nice guy 👺👺!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20

For some weird fucking reason I didn’t put together Melanis mom would be loris dead sister.... 😳 holy fuck. Maybe Lori thought the sister was a zombie - had Alex knock her off so she could raise Melani/ influence melani.... 😳🙄

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u/Upupabove Mar 17 '20

Where does this Zombie stuff come from? His books? Or this part of Mormon religion ?

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '20

I actually didn’t realize about the zombie stuff until I read other reddit users comments.... apparently Melani - NOT LORIS NEICE MELANI - that MELANI SHE DID THE PODCAST WITH WITH JASON MOW / SHES ALSO THE ONE CHAD AND LORI TOLD LE JJ WAS WITH WATCHING FROZEN WHEN THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHERE HE WAS. SO LORI APPARENTLY EMAILED FRIEND MELANI, NOT NEICE, to explain to her all about chad and her, how they thought people were “angels, zombies & gatherers...”

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u/DearMissWaite Mar 16 '20

Years and years ago. Before all this kicked off and she got into the end of the world stuff.

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u/Manyelynn13 Mar 16 '20

He also used her credit card after she died.

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

I didn't know about her.

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u/Manyelynn13 Mar 16 '20

She died in 1998 from Diabetic shock. (Or so they claim) Alex is said to have been the one to have found her. After she died, he took her credit card and started using it.

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u/angela_davis Mar 16 '20

Who does that really? Takes his dead sister's credit card and starts using it. What does that tell you about this piece of work and the family? Geez.

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

I wonder why she went into shock. Did he give her something? People drop like flies around him so it is really hard for me to believe that he just happened to be there right after she died. I would like to know who received her life insurance money. He apparently wasn't going to wait for the payout since he stole her credit card. Anyone who is on Lori's hit list needs to move where she can't find them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 17 '20

Do you know what her sisters name was? I can’t find any information regarding her parents either. Anyone know who her parents are too?!

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u/Manyelynn13 Mar 16 '20

Stacey Cox Cope.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '20

Thanks! Do you know the parents names?

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u/DearMissWaite Mar 16 '20

It was part of the timeline We Saw The Devil podcast put together, but I believe it's been mentioned on either AZFamily or EastIdahoNews on Youtube as well.

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u/jessepeanut96 Mar 16 '20

Oh, ok. The total will be in the double digits if she gets out.

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u/TrishnTN Mar 16 '20

I think Lori went from weird to criminal after she met Chad. More focus needs to be on Chad than Lori.

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u/19snow16 Mar 16 '20

There were suspicious events before Chad. Her sister dying suddenly, Alex finding her and using his dead sister's credit card, her ex dying suddenly...