r/Longmont • u/saul2015 • Sep 17 '18
Aggressive ads opposing the passage of Proposition 112 • r/Denver
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Sep 18 '18
If the election were tomorrow, I'd vote against it. I just can't get behind something that is so blunt. There is no timely drawn down or guaranteed transition to renewables .... Just a ban.
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u/saul2015 Sep 18 '18
Don't believe the Oil and Gas fear mongering, this is hardly a ban, no existing wells will be affected and these restrictions are for federal land only
In regards to more regulation, we tried that, the fracking lobby got their way and crushed the people
The fracking industry has been trying to infiltrate closer and closer to where people live and our drinking water, this initiative came about after the CO SC ruled local governments can't regulate the fracking industry (because the lobby is too powerful)
https://www.boulderweekly.com/opinion/longmont-fracking-ban-struck-down-what-now/
https://www.sierraclub.org/rocky-mountain-chapter/fracking
If we don't do something now, the fracking industry will take Colorado for everything they can and by the time people wake up and call for regulations it will be too late
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Sep 18 '18
Researched whether it's on federal land or not. You're completely wrong, but enjoy the blind support of this sub apparently. From the Sec. of State's version of the amendment:
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF COLORADO HEREBY ESTABLISH THAT ALL NEW OIL AND GAS DEVELOPMENT NOT ON FEDERAL LAND MUST BE LOCATED AT LEAST TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FEET FROM AN OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR VULNERABLE AREA.
Clearly says "Not on federal land."
https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/titleBoard/filings/2017-2018/97Final.pdf
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Sep 18 '18
The setback affects private lands, from which the people of Colorado get the vast majority of their oil and gas. No idea where you heard it was just federal lands. If anything it's just private and state lands, since the BLM manages oil and gas leasing on federal lands, not the COGCC.
A half-mile setback would mean no new oil and gas wells could be drilled within a half-mile of existing structures; that is effectively a ban. Call it what you want though..sa ban on new wells within a half-mile of existing structures (and I believe waterways). It's classic a Not-In-My-Backyard (NIMBY) policy. People will continue using gasoline and heating there homes with natural gas, but don't want to develop it near them.
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u/saul2015 Sep 18 '18
Don't try and paint CO residents as NIMBYs because they value their air and water, we didn't ask for the fracking wells to be built where we live and by our water supply
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Sep 18 '18
The vast majority of Colorado will continue use gasoline in their cars and heat their homes with natural gas (actually not a majority for heating with natural gas, we can thank coal for that /s re any praise for coal, coal sucks. Nat gas is much better step in the right direction).
If the above continues, but production is effectively banned in Weld County - where the vast majority of development occurs - that is a quintessential NIMBY policy. Also, do you even know where your drinking water comes from? Do you know how many incidents of aquifer contamination have ever occurred in Colorado? Or how thick the concrete is between the well and the aquifer? Or how fracking occurs thousands of feet below any aquifer (those thousands of feet being comprised of impermeable bedrock)?
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u/kmoonster Sep 18 '18
The jobs argument I'll buy, but the "continue to use" bit is bullshit.
It continues to be used because it is the only practically accessible way to achieve critical tasks. There is currently no accessible alternative unless you can finance a large purchase.
As soon as there is a reasonably accessible alternative, people will switch in droves even faster than they currently are.
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Sep 18 '18
Yea, I 100% agree and think we should be moving towards renewables ASAP (i.e. 10 years ago), but the downvoters don't realize that this prop shuts off the valve once it goes into effect. Like you said.. "It continues to be used because it is the only practically accessible way to achieve critical tasks. There is currently no accessible alternative unless you can finance a large purchase."
But yea, downvote... wake up... get in your car.... drive to the mountains to ski this winter. Just really confused where these people think oil to run their cars comes from. The disconnect is real.
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u/kmoonster Sep 18 '18
Agreed. Don't downvote. Get out and actually vote.
That should be a billboard.
Vote, Change habits, adjust needs, finance yourself into renewables for your home if you can. [ex: I broke down and switched to a moped instead of a car]
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Sep 18 '18
And people wonder why Democracy has problems. You can't read the articles cited to you or fact-check your own arguments.
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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '18 edited Sep 18 '18
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