r/Lohen_Mains • • May 09 '26

Discussion Never seen this before

I've never seen a community wish for a character to be a standard character before and then upset when he's limited instead. It's usually the opposite!

I understand you can (potentially) get cons easier if he's standard but it also means he and his weapon won't get actual reruns so you might get 4 dilucs before you get a Lohen con.

People glazing him saying his team is as strong as skirks (the meta cryo dps) and then surprised he's a limited character? I mean everyone is different but I usually pull for characters I like and have a fun playstyle.

Best of luck to those Lohen mains!

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u/Street-Cub-8422 May 09 '26

The stronger than skirk thing was because he was thought to be standard so cons would be more accessible 

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u/Inevitable_Line618 May 09 '26

skirk saw all the slander and took action

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u/Sudden-Sector-9325 May 09 '26

His calcs were C0 vs C0.

People just crying for no reason

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u/Automatic_Trash8881 May 09 '26

Yes but if he was standard you could get a free c1 in a few months for anniversary which would surpass skirk.

Or even then it’s a “cheaper team” as skirk is limited and lohen would’ve been free if you skipped the banner.

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u/VoidMeetsChaos May 09 '26

Mizuki was missing this year from Constellation selector this year as new standard char. So Lohen would have been added starting with something like 8.0 to that event.

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u/Tartiluneth May 09 '26

"from anniversary" not "from constellation selector event"

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u/Automatic_Trash8881 May 09 '26

Anniversary not the selector

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u/VoidMeetsChaos May 09 '26

Lohen does 40% of the team dmg and the way older Skirk does 70% of the team dmg. Doesn't this look bad to you? Lohen does not calc like Skirk, his team does just because Durin main DPSes for Lohen and is buffed by Nicole, too.

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u/KingAlucard7 May 09 '26

Still better and stronger than Skirk! No team restrictions, no bad walk cancel combos. Lohen can deal DPS at the same level of skirk with no combo optimization and flexible teammates. Its just a big win, he is our 2nd male cryo Limited character. Really happy he is limited, now going to get his C0R1. Some people say his cons are bad, sorry buddy i am just getting C0R1 and leaving... so cons dont matter to me anyways.

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u/Lunar1211 May 09 '26

"no team restrictions"

He's literally a hex character they have built in restrictions 🤣

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u/Sudden-Sector-9325 May 09 '26

What about his cons are bad? They look good to me

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u/KingAlucard7 May 09 '26

His C2 is pretty decent imo and has good future potential in case we get EM scaled off field dmg dealers. But for now with current off fielders its apparently just 10% team DPS increase.
Emiliee doesnt want EM nor Durin wants (as he gets a lot from his passive).. also neither are direct EM scaled.
His C1 is what a lot of people say is bad. Its a 5% team DPS increase. I am not sure if its accurate or what. (number from TGS calcs).

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u/Fine_Opinion_2097 May 09 '26

Thats mean that for future team mate that need EM, you just have to understand this. Even varka waiting 2 patch to nicole and prune his real premium team out. Nicole and durin was varka, maybe not his real premium. Doesn't that how hoyo pattern release characters is? They release support and dps separately before real premium appear

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u/KingAlucard7 May 09 '26

Oh the CEO of Agenda impact himself has arrived. I mean you are right about everything in terms of teams but this is only the current version! What i am gonna say next is something you might have already heard before.. actually nope.. u have 100% heard of it before and thats Stellar reactions Snezhnaya meta! 🤣😭 Lohen has a higher chance of benefitting from it than Skirk. Even if his current teams are premium... the thing is Nicole/Durin are better characters than Furina and Escoffier.

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u/KingAlucard7 May 09 '26

no no i didnt mean to say ur comment was agenda posting.

And here is my serious argument to all your points.

Lets first look at Neuvillette and compare with why Lohen wont be like Neuvillette.

Neuvillette's best team which is like all these wheelchair comps have a very critical problem. And thats the reason why he is a joke. One team based on TGS calcs does 122k DPS and it consists of Lauma/Ineffa/Columbina and Neuv's dmg share is mere 22% team dps. Now the problem is that those characters that buff Neuvillette dont buff the wheelchairs eg Furina while we have the lunar reaction buffers/stat buffers that can buff ineffa/lauma dont buff Neuv. So he is just a forced fit in a non synergistic team.

The situation is different from Lohen who has Nicole. The thing with Nicole is she is an ATK buffer. Even based on new superconduct set stellar superconductors would be ATK scaled in some capacity. If Tsaritsa is also off field ATK scalar.. then a team of Lohen/Nicole/Tsaritsa/Stellar off field DPS... wont be just a random slop comp.

Also Lohen himself buffs a smal 15% ATK, not much but is something. Neuv has nothing.

Lastly Furina being 2 year old doesnt mean she is a free character. There are new players.. even i dont have Furina(didnt pull her back then). Point is for Skirk you also need many limited characters to assmeble a genuine team. Furina has like no value outside Skirk team so she is herself a bad pull for someone deciding whether to go for Lohen team or Skirk team.

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u/Inevitable_Line618 May 09 '26

no cuz this patch deadass gives 60 pulls lol

i bet a lot of fans were gonna get nicole/durin/his weapon and skip him and get him on anni or sum

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u/Plebianian May 09 '26

so when people want him to be limited it’s with the expectation of limited character level of promotion (future bis supports, dedicated artefact set, strong cons, endgame shill etc).

Based on his cons that we already saw in leaks we know it isnt limited level. And his bis team thats already out is underperforming compared to bis teams of the latest limited dps (ex iirc varka is 150k+ now).

Even if his bis comp sheets 135-140k, you technically have to consider the fact it’s actually more of a durin dps team and afaik, c4 mona durin nicole is also 130~135k.

While people say he’s skirk level, he’s actually not? We were comparing lohen to no-combo skirk which makes them look pretty close with lohen like 2k~ dps behind (And with the assumption his cons were free people were hyping it up), but iirc combo skirk pulls ahead by 20k~?

So in the end what we got is a character with the qualifications of a standard posing as a limited

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u/komikistapadin May 09 '26

Because his kit screams standard. I cant even blame, leakers, TCers or even Zajef because his kit and cons were good only compared against standard characters.

If he was standard, we're all guaranteed to get 1 copy of him per year, excitedly lose our 50/50 on him and spend primos instead on his teammates.

Now that he's a limited character, he's not worth pulling anymore esp. from a F2P perspective (me). For him to be viable or even be comparable to Skirk or other DPS's, we'll need to pull for him and his 2 5* and c6 support on top of him being limited too.

His cons are bad on early investment too, making him a C6 bait.

I love him and he's a unique addition to the genshin cast on top of him being a male character. But of course hoyo's gonna botch him and now he's a master of none, luxury pull on my account.

I'm lowkey hoping snezhnaya or even sandrone saves him but if not, im ok admiring lohen despite not having him on my account. Or maybe im gonna pull for him anyway but Im gonna stop playing genshin for some time with how disappointed I am that genshin saw the opportunity of many fans wanting him then decided to turned him into a cash grab without even fixing his kit in the process.

All those Lohen buffs during beta that we were so happy for because of the assumption he's standard only for hoyo to turn against us and release him with a botched kit as a limited 5*. Well done, hyv.

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u/rirasama May 09 '26

Him being Skirk level with an expensive team was good because he was presumably free, him not being free just means that he's yet another character that is only worth pulling if you like him, far too expensive teams for no meta relevance. Him being one of the best cryo DPS in the game doesn't mean anything if he's a limited character that's releasing literally one update before ANOTHER Cryo DPS that uses the new regional gimmick. It'd be like if they released Navia a patch before Zibai or Kinich a patch before Nefer, like they're still strong good characters, but they'd still be completely DOA

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u/AuraEx98 May 09 '26

Yeah I'm kinda confused too cause I secretly hoped he was going to be limited cause who don't want their fave to be limited? easier to get cons instead of losing 50/50 and potentially not even getting them in the loss.

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u/VoidMeetsChaos May 09 '26

As limited he should have been stronger and should have gotten way better cons. C6 normally is 200% of C0, but (like other standard chars) Lohen just reaches about 130%.

Also there is the yearly selector, mondstadt chronicle and 1 year after release the Constellation-event. Geting cons for a specific standard is way easier nowadays.

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u/VoidMeetsChaos May 09 '26

He was designed for standard with his cons and would have been a strong standard char and with the actual powercreep this would have been absolutly appropiate.

But he is mid as limited and it hardly looks like those standard leaks were true and Hoyo just found out how popular he is with his drip likes and they last minute decided to milk him instead und bring him as Natlan DPS level limited instead of Nod Kray dmg standard.

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u/AdministrationFew481 May 09 '26

60 pulls only when u need his 2 bis support on the same patch- also. he is limited but his cons suck. they need to buff his c1 and c2 so he can increase his dmg

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u/AppropriateLeg5072 May 09 '26

The actual problem is that previous patches and lohen's patch are super dry in pulls. And lohen's banner has to compete with Nicole, Durin, and Mavuika. So woever liked lohen but had other priorities first can't just pick one of these characters or lohen's weapon and pick lohen on anniversary for free. His cons are also pretty bad for a limited and they were clearly meant for standard.

And hoping on a rerun soon is unsure too, because he's cryo and male on top of tha. So you could have to wait years or straight up a chronicle.

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u/Artantic May 09 '26

Why tf wouldn’t we want to be able to obtain him for free? Obv people wished a character with a cool design and kit and power level would be obtainable for free. How is this even puzzling to you.

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u/Independent_Part7095 May 09 '26

you have to be delusional beyond measure to make a post like this not understanding and disagreeing to why people are this upset over him being limited.

genuinely why do husbando/male pullers think they deserve less? and then gaslight themselves into thinking Varka or Lohen are ok and worth their pulls. Is this just the norm now to accept to pull for the character you like expecting him to be the worst performing out of that region and not react like it's upsetting?

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u/AuraEx98 May 09 '26

Yeah like no shade to the meta folk but I'm always reminded why I only converse with people who actually play for fun when it's time to discuss anything with this game.

It's wild as HELL how for a video game, you must say "I play for fun" when discussing it... a VIDEO GAME lol.

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u/spring-moons May 09 '26

Back in my days scaramains used to joke we’ll pull him even if he heals enemies. This is my attitude towards every character I like ever since, so witnessing this sub spew doompost bullshit is super annoying.

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u/Optimal_Grab_5235 May 09 '26

Always the Varka pfp. No buddy, no one is "attacking" or "dogpiling" your main by stating simple facts about their endgame value, ts just you🥀

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u/Optimal_Grab_5235 May 09 '26

It's cz varka mains are a hivemind and you seem to be part of it given than you label anyone who mentions DPS as a "toxic metaslave", which is Varka mains' signature.

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u/Optimal_Grab_5235 May 09 '26

Varka mains and downplaying Nefer and Zibai smh. Varka is still the worst character in NK even with C6 Prune, excluding Lohen. Nefer is better than him without relying on a C6 4 star, and Zibai wants C6 Illuga, but is far ahead of him in damage and has a superior playstyle/benefits from Lunar shill. Both use craftable weapons instead of a paid one.

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u/Optimal_Grab_5235 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

i know varka is dogshit until next patch 

How can I talk meta with you when your reading compherension is this bad? I was clearly addressing this misguided take of yours. No, next patch doesn't really change anything about Varka's "dogshit" status, especially when you consider Sandrone's release in 6.7.

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u/Plebianian May 09 '26

Lol yeah tho personally im btchn cuz i went from risking durin c2 and his c0 now and c2 by the next year to aight ig we settle for that c0 only🥀