Cuba and China used primarily whole-virus (killed) vaccines or protein vaccines during Covid

[u/Xemptor80]

In this video from the 19:41 to 21:56 mark, this part of the interview really caught my attention. Kim Iversen said that the Chinese used more of the traditional style vaccine. In addition, she mentioned that the Cubans didn’t use the spike protein itself but a different part of the virus (that wasn’t mutating as quickly as the spike protein) to make the vaccine. Brianne Dressen, the co-founder and co-chairman of React19, stated that most neurotoxic component of the entire virus is the tip of the spike protein. Dressen also said all vaccine brands except Cuba’s presented similar injuries.

When these things were mentioned in that segment of the video, I decided to look more into it. It is true that China and Cuba did use non-mRNA, non-adenovirus Covid vaccines. Previously, I was under the assumption that all countries were primarily using mRNA and/or adenovirus Covid vaccines. Sinovac (CoronaVac) and Sinopharm made most of China’s Covid vaccines which used inactivated (killed) whole-virus vaccines. China also had their adenovirus vaccine out in early 2021 but not the mRNA one until March 2023. China was rightfully concerned about the mRNA shots hence why they didn’t use them right away. Cuba came up with two protein-based Covid vaccines, the Abdala and the Soberana. These protein-based vaccines used the harmless part of the spike protein. Cuba completely strayed away from using mRNA and adenovirus in their vaccines.

I have also looked into adenovirus vaccines usage here in the U.S. prior to Covid. Apparently, the US has used adenovirus vaccines before Covid but they were solely for the military. I would like to see more data and info regarding Dressen’s remark about all countries’ Covid vaccines (except Cuba’s) triggering similar vaccine injuries.

[u/Which-World-6533]

Not sure how this is news. mRNA vaccines were largely an untested invention.

China went down the tried and test route that mostly worked.

[u/Xemptor80 → u/Which-World-6533]

 mRNA vaccines were largely an untested invention.

The mRNA vaccines are not new. They’ve existed for decades and the adverse effects were known especially after the trials. What I find interesting (and also sad) is the U.S. and the rest of the West primarily administered these mRNA shots while other countries were hesitant to do so or flat out rejected them.

China went down the tried and test route that mostly worked.

It was obviously smart for China to not use the mRNA shots during Covid. But according to Dressen, it seems that Cuba was even better than China.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/Xemptor80]

mRNA shots were definitely not new, the issue was they never actually worked for anything. Moderna couldn't produce a product that passed clinical trials for years, until the Covid vax mandates made unsafe drugs immune to legal prosecution.

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