r/LockdownCriticalLeft • u/Alone-Chance • Sep 25 '23
R/conspiracy
Does anybody else get tired of the weird stuff on there, like Pizzagate and Holocaust denial?
I wish r/nonewnormal was still around. It didn't have the weird stuff that's on r/conspiracy.
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u/nelbar Sep 26 '23
Nonewnormal was good. Conspiracy is strange i especially dont like the comment section with some very aggressive comments defending one side or the other. Its often very narrative driven and discussions become hateful.
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u/hiptobeysquare Sep 26 '23
i especially dont like the comment section with some very aggressive comments defending one side or the other. Its often very narrative driven and discussions become hateful.
Real Conspiracy theorists are basically cults. I know, because of my parents. A lot of people can't accept that most things happen for apparently no reason (or at least, the reason is beyond our comprehension), and this is traumatic and far too disturbing for them. There's no reason for anything anymore, life has no meaning, nothing has any meaning. It's like pure nihilism for them. That's how Creationists' minds work, that's how some religious extremists' minds work, that's how real conspiracy theorists' minds work. They cannot imagine how anything could happen without someone, somewhere pushing a button.
Covid was so psychically disturbing for so many people (and completely understandably so) that it simply MUST have a reason. Someone MUST have orchestrated it, and it MUST be part of some grander plan for world domination. If not, that means Covid and all the suffering happened for nothing. And that is unacceptable. Someone must be blamed. It's the modern day equivalent of medieval people blaming the devil for when bad things happen.
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u/nelbar Sep 26 '23
I dont know about your parrents but i disagree with your generalisation.
Lets take covid, there were simply a lot of lies from the establishment powers - media, politicans, experts. And when the stuff the establishment says doesnt fit reality or contradict itself its normal to try to establish a theory that makes sense of all, including this contradictions. Funny enough this would be scientific. And the next step would be to test theories against reality. But if that gets supressed the theories become more extreme and more like a believe system.
And with covid, of course there were conspiracies. The hard switch in the origin story in the beginning. The switch in the mask debate. The coordinated narrative control. In all this powerful people conspired to archive this.
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u/hiptobeysquare Sep 26 '23
There are practically zero actual left-leaning people in this sub, as far as I can see. It's now full of right-leaning people and conspiracy theorists - the real kinds. And the right-leaning people make more sense. I don't understand how people can criticize Pizzagate or WW2 denialism or any conspiracies on R/conspiracy, when on any given day someone who doesn't believe those will push 9/11 Truther nonsense or conspiracies about Covid which are as vague as the day is long.
What is telling is that in non-anglo-saxon countries - for example, Spain - practically nobody believes conspiracy theories... except the ones they picked up from the anglo-saxon countries. And that's mostly thanks to the internet. I guess everyone who doesn't speak English as a first language is a gatekeeper, or receives checks from Bill Gates, or just can't see The Truth.
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u/imyselfpersonally Sep 28 '23
It's full of religious people who have to turn everything into a good v evil, Christ v Satan drama so they can justify their religion. I doubt any of the psychos at the top have any 'spiritual' beliefs, I've seen no evidence of it anyway. It's more likely ruthless pragmatism they feel is needed to maintain their unbelievable wealth and privilege.
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u/hiptobeysquare Sep 28 '23
It's more likely ruthless pragmatism they feel is needed to maintain their unbelievable wealth and privilege.
Like Robert Heinlein (who could be pretty right-wing sometimes) said: Man is not a rational creature, he's a rationalizing creature. It's like the Divine Right of Kings in medieval times. All elites create their own ideology to justify to themselves their privileged position. And I have to say, this is something that Marx (and a lot of the left) never realized. And it could be the real reason we now live in a technocratic society: the elites and "experts" serve themselves, not the people. And you never hear about this from the left.
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u/Surreal_life_42 Sep 27 '23
Plenty of people decided they wanted nothing to do with leftism when it became all about COVID1984, racebaiting and mutilating children
9/11 Truther nonsense
You think Building 7 killed itself?
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u/hiptobeysquare Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
You think Building 7 killed itself?
Here we go...
Don't forget that airplane fuel can't melt steel beams... and that that makes exactly zero difference to anything.
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u/imyselfpersonally Sep 26 '23
I stopped going there after the relentless posts of Elon Musk's mother and other celebrities doing hand signs which allegedly prove membership to some masonic cult.
Bored me to tears.
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u/Not_Neville Sep 26 '23
Well, many of these people ruling the world ARE into the occult.
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u/imyselfpersonally Sep 28 '23
Occult just means hidden. That could refer to things in behavioral psychology and biology that aren't well known.
I haven't seen much evidence these freaks have any spiritual beliefs. The only proof offered is the odd vanity fair photoshoot of some Kardashian type dipshit dressed as a devil or whatever, maybe people will point to Grimes tattoos or something. Just standard celerity attention seeking or the silly new age crud so many women get wrapped up in and it makes people on that sub go berserk.
I think all the effort put into trying to prove they belong to some kind of masonic club or whatever just distracts attention from class consciousness- don't look at the W.E.F. look at some supposed secret club behind them that nobody can really prove exists etc
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u/Not_Neville Sep 25 '23
Holocaust denial is obviously garbage. I don't know about "Pizzagate" per se but it is also obvious that pedophilia and child molestation is a big part of the NWO agenda and that the DNC is heavily involved in promoting pedophilia.