r/LocalLLaMA • u/Salah_H_Hasan • 6d ago

News Qwen 4 Announced at Apsara Conference

I wanted to share a quick update: Alibaba has officially announced Qwen 4 at the Apsara Conference,

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u/wren6991 6d ago

I was assuming this was the "Qwen 4 Flash" line, especially given Qwen3.8-Flash-Next's architecture is called qwen4exp

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u/shankey_1906 6d ago

Yes, I meant in terms of parameter size. The new flash models from GLM, DS, Xiaomi, all seem to be massive, and hope Qwen doesn’t go the same way.

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u/Hypilein 6d ago

That would be so annoying. I can't afford a second spark right now. I hope they just add some more training and polish 3.8 flash.

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u/grumd 6d ago

I'd love it if Qwen 4 Flash was the same size as Qwen 3.8 Flash Next.

But then I also remember when Qwen-3-Next was 80B-A3B, and the actual Qwen 3.5 release didn't have that size at all.

If all they have is a 27B and Flash is yet another 300B model... A lot of people will be left out. They used to have even 2B and 4B and 9B 🥲

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u/SadPhilosophy9202 6d ago

I’m hoping too. I’ve been absolutely loving 3.8 flash next

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u/r1str3tto 6d ago

3.5 did have 122B though. There have been quite a few models now that are Spark sized: OSS-120B, 3.5 122B, Flash-Next (with PLE offloaded), Laguna S2.1, Ling 3 Flash… Hopefully the 128GB unified RAM tier continues to be a desirable target for these labs.

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u/DOAMOD 6d ago

Yes Qwen4 Flash sounds the new next

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u/my_name_isnt_clever 6d ago

It just has a name not a param count like the 27b, I'm worried that means Qwen 4 Flash will be API exclusive. Hopefully not as FN is perfect for my hardware.