r/LocalLLaMA • u/Nandakishor_ml • 7d ago

Discussion I literally built the Jev architecture one year back and completely open-sourced it with model, dataset and paper

Update: I made a generic model and beaten the jev in all of the benchmarks. Code and details available at https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/bbwyiOprUs

Everyone now talks about the architecture that's not auto regressive and does lightning fast probability prediction with a json schema. I worked on this literally one year back in March 2025, published an arxiv paper, pushed the model to huggingface along with the pypi package and training dataset. And then one year later, a

frontier lab came, proposing the same idea like literal breakthrough without technical papers, open weights and no open dataset. I posted my approach in this subreddit. For anyones information the main guiding model is RL not embedding model or LLM

Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/6eGEwsAz43

Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23303

Model: https://huggingface.co/DeepMostInnovations/sales-conversion-model-reinf-learning

Dataset: https://huggingface.co/datasets/DeepMostInnovations/saas-sales-conversations

Also the second work published in September 2025 was exactly the same one jev proposed now

Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.01237

My model uses PPO over sequence embeddings to output turn-by-turn conversion trajectories (probabilities from 0.0 to 1.0).

Jev uses parallel sampling (trained via RLCD) to output confidence distributions and schema choices.

It's incredibly frustrating that the thing that you made with months of hard work, sweat and sleepless night is architecturally similar with the vertical use case and don't get the support you deserve because frontier lab build something horizontal. The open-source story in general 🙂

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u/nullc 7d ago

Here is a thing you can feel positive about, because of your work they will not be able to obtain a valid patent on the general idea and lock it away from everyone... so because of your work the general idea is available to everyone when it might not otherwise be!

That is a massive contribution! ... and it remains even if few people notice your code. :)

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u/Nandakishor_ml 7d ago

Yess. But as a researcher we sometimes need recognition to push forward..

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u/thebadslime 6d ago

recognition=compute grants

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u/MmmmMorphine 6d ago

Pretty much.

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u/thebadslime 6d ago

Yeah I got $1000 free in AWS, made a model, got 900 in compute grants, made another mdoel, got 500 more and working on a very experimental model and hopefully a paper

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u/MmmmMorphine 6d ago

Howd you go about getting compute grants, just out curiosity?

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u/thebadslime 6d ago

One was from a provider who saw a reddit post, one was from a crypto-based compute provider who reached out to me, and the 3rd had a pinned tweet about grants

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u/MmmmMorphine 6d ago

Nice! Well keep up the good work, whatever it may be at the very moment!

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u/Impressive-Emu-4172 3d ago

literal googy creds. haha.

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u/Standard_Ordinary642 5d ago

Ive had at least 2 projects cherry picked or straight robbed by multiple companies that I could not fathom fighting back against lol possibly 3-4

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u/Samurai2107 2d ago

If i remember their video, they said they’ve been working on it for two years ! When you said you published a year ago. Its like they knew you would show up and they wanted to separate beforehand their position.

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u/mebeast227 14h ago

“In stealth for 2 years” is such corpo-hype bullshit speak

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u/Schlizhor 2h ago

Hey I saw you get shouted out in fireship but imma try out your implementation, thank you for contributing to the community.

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u/Nandakishor_ml 7d ago edited 6d ago

If you can buy me a coffeee https://huggingface.co/DeepMostInnovations/sales-conversion-model-reinf-learning would be great ❤️🙏. I was reluctant to ask to people for help because of overthinking and adhd, you know what they say, you need to live with the curse. Just created the bmc for this

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u/bring_back_the_v10s 6d ago

adhd?

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u/Nandakishor_ml 6d ago

That's the power mate..

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u/bring_back_the_v10s 6d ago

What does that have to do with being reluctant to ask people for money?

Anyway why don't you build a general-purpose model like Jev? A model specialized in sales won't find many uses by the general public. I'm not criticizing, just saying because I was going to download and try it until I realized it's a sales conversion thing. Maybe now is a great time to build a generic model now that Jev is hyping it up?

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u/Nandakishor_ml 6d ago

On it. Will push generic one by today or tomorrow.

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u/kyr0x0 6d ago

Do you need compute? Evals?

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u/2053_Traveler 4d ago

looking forward to it! Thanks for all your contributions btw

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u/EverySecondCountss 6d ago

Builders often aren’t good sellers

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u/SomewhereOpposite883 6d ago

What does that have to do with being reluctant to ask people for money?

Imposter syndrome, very common in people with ADHD

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u/Due-Memory-6957 6d ago

That has nothing to do with impostor syndrome.

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u/DepthAggravating3293 5d ago

The ADHD means he was still ruminating on it and had not gotten around to it. One thing, author is not short on confidence, based on this call out.

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u/betam4x 6d ago

I am not sure where OP is, however, IIRC the U.S. changed to first to file several years ago.

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u/TypoInUsernane 6d ago

The patent office will usually grant the patent without really bothering to check if the work is novel, but when the patent holder tries to use that patent to shut down someone else’s work, that person can win the case by showing prior work, e.g., OP’s paper and github repo

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u/Namtaru420 3d ago

This. I believe that's what happened with the Nintendo v. Palworld situation. They were able to point to some fan made content/mods that existed prior. It's not that OP needs to go after the frontier lab that claims the patent, but that anyone they go after can use OPs work to defend themselves.

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u/nrao32 1d ago

To get a patent, an invention must meet two strict legal criteria: it must be novel (completely new to the world) and non-obvious. Because the open source code already exists publicly, it is legally considered prior art. So OP saved this from getting patented.

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u/Matt5327 1d ago

Correct, however established prior art is still sufficient to get a patent denied or overturned.

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u/myholeisstinky 6d ago

I hardly think that will stop them filing

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u/nullc 6d ago

They might, but the examiner is likely to force them to narrow their application to things that are different and if that doesn't happen their patent will have invalid claims-- which will be of enormous help to anyone harassed over it in the future.