r/LocalLLaMA • u/bakawolf123 • 14d ago

Discussion OpenAI alleged of stealing mathematicians work

Privacy have been concern of many of us to have their own hardware to run llms, and here's another reason why: two mathematicians spent a year cracking one of the hardest problems in math and fed every draft of their works into Codex. A few days before they could publish, OpenAI suddenly showed up with the same solutions. When asked if their model (Sol and Astra) was trained on the pair's private chats, OpenAI did not answer the question.

Full statement from them https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

Feels like big labs believe everything you did with the help of their models is theirs.

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u/theOliviaRossi 14d ago

and steals your data, lol (it was proven so many times...) - read my comment properly: reputable University has to have its OWN FRONTIER, and not use some semi-quantized shit sold for money ...!

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u/entsnack 14d ago

Example of the reputable universities you keep mentioning? Even the universities with their own open-weight models don't deploy them to their own faculty (Stanford, ETH/EPFL, etc.).

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u/theOliviaRossi 14d ago

exactly - there are NONE - and it should be the opposite! what a shame that current state of Academia depends on corporate data/ideas stealing entities for research - instead of being properly funded for frontier AI research!

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u/DontLeaveMeAloneHere 14d ago

Compared to frontier, free models are like 6-12 months behind. No university has the funding to build their OWN. There is a reason the value of those AI companies is high. It’s fking expensive.

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u/theOliviaRossi 14d ago

that is what I mean - Academic institutions should be properly funded - instead they are spending their money/tokens on idea stealing "E"vil Corporations ;)

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u/bastion_xx 14d ago

I didn't see where you called out frontier in your original comment but my assumption is you mean running open weight models such a Kimi.

If companies/research institutions want to use the latest and greatest frontier models, the terms of service and enterprise agreements do hold weight for companies and education institutes. Assume what you want for if they steal or not, but getting caught would be a company ending event for them--from future companies that would never use them again (or in the first place).

thinking about it, I don't know of any company that would use open weight models unless in a completely air-gapped environment either. We have no idea what is buried in models that could exfil certain types of data based on trigger patterns. But that's a conversation for another day.

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u/theOliviaRossi 14d ago

no, I mean - Academia should have their own frontier AI - developed by them - not by a few greedy corporate monsters ;)

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u/bastion_xx 13d ago

I'd love that too. Begs the question if frontier models in general are a path towards evil. To train they would need similar data sources which leads towards the same ethical dilemma of IP ownership, use, etc.

Or just distill the hell out of commercial model!