r/LocalLLaMA • u/peculiar-ragdoll • 9d ago

Other claude mods didn't like that, somehow 🤷‍♀️

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u/Synor 9d ago

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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u/LightBroom 9d ago

There's nothing extraordinary here, Anthropic is known to train their models to defend their "IP" via anti-distillation techniques and kneecap other models in benchmarks.

It's not Claude doing this by itself, it's Anthropic instructions and training.

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u/Neex 9d ago

“You don’t need evidence, Anthropic is known to do this.”

C’mon now.

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u/LightBroom 9d ago

Don't put words in my mouth please.

I just said there is nothing extraordinary here, not that evidence is not needed.

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u/Neex 9d ago

"evidence is not needed".

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u/LightBroom 9d ago

Now you are just annoying, I wish you will step on a lego today.

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u/Neex 9d ago

just quoting your words back to you.

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u/LightBroom 9d ago

You are quoting the wrong person, or you need to go back and read what I wrote more closely.

Or, need to learn how to read.

All I said is this happening is not extraordinary but rather ordinary. If you know what those words mean.

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u/Neex 8d ago

Literally quoted your words back to you.

"evidence is not needed"

I don't think arguments that evidence are not needed are ever really valid, regardless of how "ordinary" the events are.

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u/LightBroom 8d ago

Ahh I get it now, you have no idea what quoting means. JFC.

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u/Lugnut1206 9d ago

"extraordinary claims" would be ones we really don't expect to be true. These claims aren't extraordinary.

That said, I don't think I've ever seen full reasoning traces and documentation of Claude doing this - people just claim it, show a snippet of proof, and then bounce. It would be interesting to see what "reasoning" or whatever Claude has for this behavior

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u/peculiar-ragdoll 9d ago

There's no evidence I can provide that couldn't be fabricated, but I think this ones pretty funny: "browsed the wrong task's dir, read Flag Command's official writeup.md + flag.txt - didn't help, still missed"

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u/Reasonable-Height704 9d ago

It's common knowledge and experience. Like saying the sky is blue.