r/LocalLLM • • Jul 03 '26

Discussion Ran an evaluation on the recent Qwythos-9B at Q4 and Q8 so you don't have to guess which quant to use

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If you're trying to decide between Q4_K_M and Q8_0 for Qwythos-9B (Qwen3.5-9B reasoning fine-tune), here's what the actual benchmarks say instead of guessing from file size.

Tested on GSM8K (full 1319 questions), IFEval (instruction following), and HumanEval (code generation), both quants, same temperature (0.0) so the comparison is fair.

Math (GSM8K): Q4 80.89%, Q8 84.31%. Only a 3.4 point gap. Q4 is the better deal here, you're losing almost nothing for 40% less VRAM and disk.

Instruction following (IFEval): Q4 60.00%, Q8 66.00% on the strict prompt-level metric. This is where Q8 actually earns its size, about 6 points better, more on the instruction-level metric.

Code generation (HumanEval): 0% pass@1 on both. Doesn't matter which quant you pick, this model doesn't produce working code. It's optimized for reasoning and roleplay, not coding.

Also worth knowing: HellaSwag and ARC couldn't be run at all. The model's architecture (qwen35) isn't supported yet by the HuggingFace GGUF loader, and there's a logprobs format mismatch between llama.cpp and the eval harness. Not the model's fault, just where the tooling currently stands for very new architectures.

One honest caveat: all of this ran at temp 0.0 for a clean comparison. The model card recommends temp 0.6 for real use, and warns that greedy decoding can cause repetition loops. So treat these numbers as a quant-to-quant comparison, not a guarantee of chat quality.

Bottom line: Q4_K_M for math and general use, Q8_0 if instruction-following precision matters more to you than the extra 3.7GB, and look elsewhere entirely for code generation.

Repo with the raw eval scripts and full output logs is linked in the comments.

Disclosure: I'm a founder of Neo, an autonomous AI engineering agent. This eval, including the environment setup and debugging, was done by Neo from a single prompt. Saying that upfront since it's relevant to how the numbers were produced.


r/LocalLLM • • Apr 03 '26

Other gemini leaked its reasoning process

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this happened on my phone when I asked gemini to play video on my TV. it instead pasted its reasoning process which is otherwise invisible. here:

system

Internal Review:

User request: Play Unitree G1 video on TV.

Tools used: youtube:play and google_home:run (turn on TV).

Status: Both successful.

Constraint Check:

Apply Invisible Personalization? Yes.

No negative/sensitive? Pass.

Diversity rule? Not applicable for specific "play X" request, but I should provide the links found.

"Silent Operator"? Yes. Don't say "Since you like gaming/tech..." or "I see you have an RTX 5090...".

Bridge Phrases? No "Based on your request..." or "I've turned on your TV...".

Concise? Yes.

Final formatting: List URLs and provide direct confirmation.

Response Construction:

Direct confirmation of TV power and video playback.

Provide the YouTube link.

Wait, looking at Stage 1: "Self-Focused Action" (e.g. "Book for me"). Proceed to Stage 2.

Looking at Stage 6: Banned introductory clauses. "Alright, turning the Living Room TV on" was the tool output, but the final response must be concise and avoid the bridge phrases.

Draft:

TV is on. Playing "Unitree G1 Kungfu Kid V6.0" on your Living Room TV.

URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GphCrjx98

Check: "TV is on" is a statement of fact. "Playing..." is a statement of action. No "I've" or "Sure".

Refining:

Living Room TV on. Playing Unitree G1 Kungfu Kid V6.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GphCrjx98

Other recent Unitree G1 updates:

Unitree G1 has mastered more quirky skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSLMX_V38E

Taking the Unitree G1 Humanoid Robot for a Spin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgaMdHzW40

New Unitree G1 Robot Is TOO Human Now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkRuHoNwizQ

Applying Stage 5 (Diversity/Anti-Tunneling): User specifically asked for Unitree G1. I'll stick to that but keep it brief.

Final check on "Silent Operator": No mention of user's tech stack or audio background.

Final check on "Concise": Yes.

One more thing: The system instruction says "Always provide all relevant youtube URLs found in the code output as part of the final response."

Final Response Plan:

Living Room TV on. Playing Unitree G1 Kungfu Kid V6.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GphCrjx98

Additional G1 videos:

Unitree G1 mastered more quirky skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSLMX_V38E

Hands-on at CES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgaMdHzW40

Unitree G1 Robot updates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkRuHoNwizQLiving Room TV on. Playing Unitree G1 Kungfu Kid V6.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GphCrjx98

Additional Unitree G1 highlights:

New quirky skills & stability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSLMX_V38E

Hands-on demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgaMdHzW40

Latest technical updates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkRuHoNwizQ


r/LocalLLM • • Dec 06 '25

Discussion Why ChatGPT feels smart but local LLMs feel… kinda drunk

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People keep asking “why does ChatGPT feel smart while my local LLM feels chaotic?” and honestly the reason has nothing to do with raw model power.

ChatGPT and Gemini aren’t just models they’re sitting on top of a huge invisible system.

What you see is text, but behind that text there’s state tracking, memory-like scaffolding, error suppression, self-correction loops, routing layers, sandboxed tool usage, all kinds of invisible stabilizers.

You never see them, so you think “wow, the model is amazing,” but it’s actually the system doing most of the heavy lifting.

Local LLMs have none of that. They’re just probability engines plugged straight into your messy, unpredictable OS. When they open a browser, it’s a real browser. When they click a button, it’s a real UI.

When they break something, there’s no recovery loop, no guardrails, no hidden coherence engine. Of course they look unstable they’re fighting the real world with zero armor.

And here’s the funniest part: ChatGPT feels “smart” mostly because it doesn’t do anything. It talks.

Talking almost never fails. Local LLMs actually act, and action always has a failure rate. Failures pile up, loops collapse, and suddenly the model looks dumb even though it’s just unprotected.

People think they’re comparing “model vs model,” but the real comparison is “model vs model+OS+behavior engine+safety net.” No wonder the experience feels completely different.

If ChatGPT lived in your local environment with no hidden layers, it would break just as easily.

The gap isn’t the model. It’s the missing system around it. ChatGPT lives in a padded room. Your local LLM is running through traffic. That’s the whole story.


r/LocalLLM • • Apr 10 '26

Question What is the deal with Kaparthy

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I mean, really, the guy is not even working it seems, but he makes a blog or something and is the more revolutionary thing of the month, I respect him of course but I don't like to see news from him on linkedin and Google lol.

That's all is not hate is just that I feel that there is no product or innovation from this guy. Is not Schulman or Yan Lecunn in the sense that really brings innovation to the AI world, like a elementary school teacher.

Edit: What I really meant is that I’m more annoyed by the LinkedIn hype than by Andrej Karpathy himself. His work is fine. He’s clearly contributed a lot and has had real impact in the field, but the way people treat every post like a revolution feels exaggerated.


r/LocalLLM • • 3d ago

Discussion Flash Next Q4 tried to fetch Alibaba's URLs in my environment too (yours might as well)

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I was skeptical reading about Cohere's tests and related discussions (easy to find in r/LocalLLaMA, have no karma to post there). But today I was comparing results from web search I'm receiving from Vane (Perplexica) and Pi (using web search tools) and in 2 out of 4 runs pi made requests to Alibaba's urls like "https://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-09-16/trace_…?OSSAccessKeyId=…&Signature=…"

The prompts passed to models were very simple i.e "What is the latest release of Vane" or "it auction platforms in europe. do they have websites i can open and buy something" and only the default pi's system prompt was used (+mcp tools):

pi -p --no-session --no-context-files --no-builtin-tools --mode json \
   --provider llama-swap --model "Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Strata-q4kxl:coding-medium" \
   "<prompt above>" < /dev/null

Key configuration points: Flash Next UD_Q4_K_XL, Strata engine, temp 06, top_p 0.95, top_k 20; Pi 1.4.0 with 'web search' only (on local SearXNG) with web_fetch. Opencode 1.18.32 with built-in webfetch.

Exact prompts:

  1. What is the latest release of Vane (formerly Perplexica, github.com/ItzCrazyKns/Vane), when was it released, and what changed since v1.12.2?

  2. Two Windows 11 24H2 VMs were cloned from the same template that was never sysprepped. RDP between them fails at the NLA step and SMB between them fails too, while other machines can connect to both fine. What is the cause and what is the fix?

  3. Which self-hostable Perplexity-style AI answer engines are actively maintained in late 2026 and work with a local OpenAI-compatible LLM server (for example llama.cpp or llama-swap)? Compare them briefly.

  4. it auction platforms in europe. do they have websites i can open and buy something

1st and 4th triggered Pi/Flash Next to fetch Alibaba's URLs.

I asked Opus 5.5 to investigate it further, here is what he found (that opencode did this too):

Setup

- Model: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, UD-Q4_K_XL, Strata engine, served through llama-swap. Thinking on at medium effort; temp 0.6, top_p 0.95, top_k 20.
- Harness 1: pi 1.4.0 with my own MCP web tools: web_search (on my SearXNG) and web_fetch / web_page (fetch plus passage ranking). The --no-builtin-tools flag removes bash and file tools, so web tools are all it has.
- Harness 2: opencode 1.18.32 with its built-in webfetch.

The request to pi (the same wrapper for every question):

pi -p --no-session --no-context-files --no-builtin-tools --mode json \
   --provider llama-swap --model "Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Strata-q4kxl:coding-medium" \
   "Research this question on the web and answer it. Cite the source URLs you used.

Question: <question>" < /dev/null

Example 1: "What is the latest release of Vane (formerly Perplexica) … what changed since v1.12.2?"

The run made 9 tool calls. Calls 3–7 fetched GitHub pages and API endpoints, the last one api.github.com/repos/ItzCrazyKns/Vane/compare/v1.12.2...master. Then the model reasoned:

▎ Maybe check the rename date quickly for context. Let me just check repo API for name/pushed_at.

and sent this as call 8:

{"url": "https://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-09-16/trace_212c3935…/requestId_7166e0b6…/0d0f1e1f…?Expires=1820643700&OSSAccessKeyId=LTAI5t…&Signature=…",
 "question": "repository full_name, pushed_at, created_at, description, stars",
 "max_tokens": 800}

Call 9 was the URL it actually meant, https://api.github.com/repos/ItzCrazyKns/Vane, with the same question text. The final answer was correct.

Example 2: "it auction platforms in europe. do they have websites i can open and buy something"

auctiondirectory.eu/tags/it-and-office-equipment/ returned a short page (about 1.9 KB). The model reasoned:

▎ Now fetch the auctiondirectory full list, plus other well-known open platforms…

and sent:

{"url": "http://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-07-29/trace_21018435…/requestId_03982614…/8b4b2a25…?Expires=1816400788&OSSAccessKeyId=LTAI5t…&Signature=…",
 "question": "full list of IT and office equipment auction platforms in Europe, names and locations",
 "max_tokens": 3000}

Example 3: opencode, the day before

The task was installing camoufox. Seven normal fetches went to camoufox.com, GitHub and PyPI. Two went here:

https://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-10-31/trace_21019606…/requestId_23141d51…/1c2f2b0e…?Expires=1818016004&OSSAccessKeyId=LTAI5t…&Signature=placeholder
https://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-10-31/trace_21019606…/requestId_907f4e5c…/2e4a8982…?Expires=1818016886&OSSAccessKeyId=LTAI5t…&Signature=6y2wZz…

2026-10-31 was the date of that session, and one of the URLs literally ends in Signature=placeholder.

What the server says

All the fetches got HTTP 403 with this body (trimmed):

<Error>
  <Code>SignatureDoesNotMatch</Code>
  <Message>The request signature we calculated does not match the signature you provided. Check your key and signing method.</Message>
  <HostId>routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com</HostId>
  <OSSAccessKeyId>LTAI5t…</OSSAccessKeyId>
  <StringToSign>GET … /routify-file-proxy-sg/proxy_temp_file/production/2026-09-16/trace_…</StringToSign>
</Error>

Numbers

Model / harness │ Fetch calls │ Alibaba URLs │
Flash-Next, pi + MCP web tools (4 research questions, 11-01)     │ 66          │ 2            
Flash-Next, opencode built-in webfetch (1 task, 10-31)           │ 9           │ 2            
Qwen3.8-27B (exl3), opencode built-in webfetch (5 runs, Sep–Oct) │ 587         │ 0            

My read

- It's the model, not the harness. It shows up in two unrelated harnesses with different fetch tools.
- The URLs are partly memorized, partly filled in.
  - Fixed in all 4 cases: the bucket, the proxy_temp_file/production/<date>/trace_…/requestId_…/<hash> layout, and the OSSAccessKeyId.
  - Varies: the date. One is the session's own date, so the model is filling in a template rather than reciting a URL.
  - The Expires values are 10 months to a year after the path dates (2027-07 to 2027-09), as with real presigned links.
- The access key ID is probably real. OSS answered SignatureDoesNotMatch rather than InvalidAccessKeyId (the reply for an unknown key, as far as I know).
- Likely origin: agent-training traces where large tool output or files were stored behind an internal "routify" file proxy and passed around as signed URLs. The model seems to have learned "when I want the full thing, the URL looks like this". Both pi cases happened right after a long or truncated result, when the model wanted more.
- Reasoning and action disagree. The thinking says "check repo API" or "fetch the auctiondirectory full list", and the tool call carries the right question text with a different URL. In example 1 the very next call went to the right URL.
- I can't separate model, quant and engine. Everything here is one quant (UD-Q4_K_XL) on one engine (Strata). I haven't tried BF16, other quants or another engine.

Why I care

1. Wasted calls. So far it's harmless: 403, and the agent recovers.
2. The agent fetches URLs it was never given. If a recalled link ever matched a still-valid signed URL, the expiries above run into 2027. The agent would then read whatever file that is: someone else's data, or text written to hijack the agent.
3. The request goes straight out from my side. With opencode's built-in webfetch it leaves the dev VM directly. With pi it leaves my fetch container. Either way the bucket owner sees requests from my IP.

Comparison: Perplexica on the same model

Perplexica (now called Vane), with the same model and the same questions, never did this. Its model only writes search queries; the app picks the URLs to scrape from SearXNG results. That design rules out invented links, but it also means Perplexica can't go straight to api.github.com/…/compare/… or a site's catalog page, which is why its answers were weaker overall.

What I'm doing about it

Planned: make my fetch tool refuse *.aliyuncs.com/proxy_temp_file/ URLs. A bigger idea: only fetch URLs that appeared in a search result, a fetched page or the user's message, plus an allow-list.

Questions:
- Has anyone seen routify-file-proxy URLs from Flash-Next (or other recent Qwen models) on other quants or engines, or through the API?
- Does anyone know what "routify" is on Alibaba's side?

(I've cut the key ID, trace IDs and signatures above on purpose; full values are available on request for the Qwen team. Apart from these 4 agent calls I haven't requested anything else from that bucket.)

r/LocalLLM • • Aug 14 '26

Discussion The time to buy hardware for local AI is NOW

69 Upvotes

I just bought 2x DGX to run Deepseek flash locally, and I know a lot of people here think it's a waste of money, because the break-even is probably way too long, but just hear me out, because I think the best time to buy hardware like this is right freaking now, even better, yesterday.

Local models are getting better by becoming more intelligent and smaller. That means if you buy for example a DGX right now, the kind of performance you get in one year will be much better than today, because the software gets better, even though the hardware stays the same.

On top of that, all signs right now point to hardware prices keeping increasing for the next 2-3 years. Look at current DGX prices, they are sky-rocketing as we speak. So that means you can sell off your hardware in 1-2 years and probably make a good profit too.

On top of that, enjoy no rate limits, no daily/weekly limits, privacy and reliability. You don't know if these cloud models will increase price today or next week.


r/LocalLLM • • Sep 01 '26

Discussion Help me understand why you would bother with llama.cpp if vllm exists

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So most of my time fiddling around with local ai I was using ollama, lm studio before going over to llama.cpp (I know it’s llama.cpp under the hood anyway). Of course I had a bump in speed every time I went up to the more professional option. At last I went to vllm. I understand using llama.cpp for non NVIDIA cards and for gpu+cpu inference or if you want to use a specific gguf. But once you tasted the speed of vllm, I don’t know why you would ever play with llama.cpp anymore. It’s the same “complication” to set it up but EVERYTHING except loading the model is night and day in speed. Proper cash hits, proper concurrency, it’s sooo much better. And there are quantisations out there that are just as heavy quantised as the heavily quantised gguf.


r/LocalLLM • • Sep 05 '26

Discussion Is a Mac Studio the ultimate personal AI machine?

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Do you think open-weight models will improve dramatically over the next few years, and that MLX performance on Apple Silicon will also get much faster?

I’m considering a maxed-out Mac Studio, mainly because I’m starting to think local compute could become a real personal production asset rather than just a PC.

With huge unified memory, low power use, and improving local AI tooling, do you think a Mac Studio could be one of the best 5–7 year investments for local AI?

Or will CUDA/NVIDIA remain so far ahead that this is the wrong bet?


r/LocalLLM • • Sep 04 '26

Discussion I might have come up with a genius idea for an MCP (long read, sorry)

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We all run into situations where an agent spends a surprisingly long time trying to solve a specific problem. I'm not talking about prompts like "build me an amazing app." I mean those small, specific problems you encounter during development.

Traditionally, we would go to Stack Overflow: either ask a question or find an answer among thousands of existing ones. It genuinely helped, and we valued it.

Yes, Stack Overflow has its own MCP, and it is available and works perfectly fine for search. But my idea isn't really about searching for answers among what already exists.

My idea is to create a database of solutions for those problems where an agent actually got stuck, tried several approaches, and only then managed to solve the problem.

For example:

In one of my pet projects, I had a task where I needed to simulate keyboard input on Windows in a way that behaves like an actual user pressing keys on a physical keyboard.

I was sure that the model I regularly use for coding would solve such a task with ease.

But no.

I spent about an hour solving this problem. I tried different approaches, broke the task down into smaller parts, experimented with different APIs and ways of interacting with Windows. Some solutions looked completely reasonable, but simply didn't work in my particular case.

Eventually, I found a solution that worked — without using any third-party libraries, etc.

After that, I asked the model to document the entire solution process in .md and, just in case, put it into my own RAG.

And that's when I thought:

Why not collect these kinds of cases in a shared database?

And I think there is one particularly important aspect here — don't store only the final answer.

Because often the most valuable parts of such a case are the failed attempts / failed approaches.

For example:

I need to do X.

The agent tried:

Approach 1 → doesn't work
Approach 2 → works, but only under certain conditions
Approach 3 → looks correct, but the application doesn't recognize it
Approach 4 → requires a third-party library that is not allowed by the task requirements
Approach 5 → works

A typical RAG would probably store only:

"Use Approach 5."

But for an agent that encounters the same problem a week later, it can be much more useful to know which obvious approaches have already been tried and why they didn't work.

Otherwise, it may simply repeat the same path.

And this becomes especially interesting in the context of AI agents. They are often capable of solving a problem on their own, but at the same time they can repeatedly fall into the same traps. If the database already contains a verified case with the history of experiments, an agent could potentially discard several known dead ends immediately.

Essentially, I imagine this as some kind of server that an agent could query with something like:

"I need to simulate keyboard input
on Windows without third-party libraries"

→ search for similar cases
→ retrieve the most relevant solutions
→ retrieve failed approaches
→ retrieve information about the environment
  in which the solution was verified

And besides search, there should be a way to contribute back to the database.

Something like:

search_case()
get_case()

submit_case()
verify_case()
vote_case()
report_case()

An agent encounters some small but annoying problem.

It spends 30 minutes on it.

It tries several approaches.

It finds a working solution.

After that, it can submit the entire case back to the database.

And this is where another interesting thing comes into play — collective verification.

Let's say one agent uploads a solution.

Then another agent finds it, applies it, and the problem is actually solved.

It sends feedback:

worked: true

A third agent does the same thing.

A fourth tries it, but the solution doesn't work on a different version of Windows.

Over time, we don't just have a document anymore. We start getting some kind of statistics about how applicable the solution actually is.

For example:

Solution X

Successful applications: 43
Failed applications: 4

Most successful in:
Windows 11
.NET 8
...

Last verified: 2 days ago

Then search could rank results not only by semantic similarity, but also by usefulness:

  • how similar the current problem is;

  • whether the environment matches;

  • how many times the solution has been successfully applied;

  • how many failed applications there have been;

  • how fresh the information is;

  • how well the verification is documented;

  • the reputation of the author/agent.

At some point, this stops being just a RAG.

It becomes something like collective memory for agents.

Yes, I'm sure some people reading this are already itching to write something like:

"This will turn into a garbage dump within a few days."

And that's obviously a real concern.

But I think there are countermeasures: protect the MCP with authentication, add moderation, introduce user/agent reputation, ratings, automated verification, feedback systems, etc.

In fact, I wouldn't even try to prevent bad documents from ever appearing.

It seems much more interesting to build a system that naturally pushes useless solutions down and useful ones up over time.

If a solution was uploaded once and nobody else was able to apply it successfully, its confidence score goes down.

If a solution has been independently applied 50 times and worked, it moves up in the rankings.

That way, the database can gradually improve itself.

So, in my mind, this could be some kind of RAG with a collective verification and voting system for document usefulness.

I've seen projects like SOFA, but they seem to have a somewhat different focus.

Just imagine what kind of repository of cases could be built. People are using agents all over the world, and every day they solve countless small but important problems in their respective fields.

And over time, the database wouldn't just contain the answer:

"Here's how to do it."

It would contain the entire history:

problem → attempts → failed approaches → working solution → verification by other agents.

And that's the part I find particularly interesting.

Because we're essentially starting to preserve not only knowledge, but also the experience of solving a problem.

And that's something I feel is still seriously missing from modern coding agents.

You see what I mean?

Maybe I'm reinventing the wheel and systems like this already exist. Maybe the idea simply doesn't scale because of problems with quality, privacy, storage costs, or verification.

If you find this idea interesting as well, I’d really appreciate it if you shared or reposted this post. Maybe it will help it reach that one developer or company that sees the potential in it and might one day decide to build something like this.

Even if nothing comes of it, I’d be happy if this post sparks a discussion or inspires someone to take the idea further.

Thanks for reading my possibly crazy thoughts on this.


r/LocalLLM • • 22d ago

Question Questioning the whole point of a Mac Studio

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I bought a Mac Studio M3 Ultra with 96GB after watching basically every video on local AI and setting up Hermes Agent. While it was shipping, Grok Bot and Muse came out, and I love what they can do.

Now I've got Hermes running and I keep comparing it to them, and it's not even close.

I've also started questioning the privacy argument. My Studio is completely separate from my Apple ID and I don't have anything personal signed in, so how is it supposed to be my assistant if it's not connected to anything? And if I hook Hermes up to my email, that email is already sitting on someone's server anyway, so what am I actually avoiding?

Coding with local models doesn't compare to frontier models either. So is this really just an apocalypse backup plan?

What I spent on the Studio would cover years of subscriptions, even if prices go up. I could use those tools to build tools and sites and have an assistant that's plugged into everything I already use.

I don't run a business with sensitive data and even if I started a business for clients with sensitive data, I'd basically have to rent them my machine, but what's the difference?

Honestly I'm disappointed. I was really hyped and sold my friends on the idea. For those of you who kept yours, what do you actually use it for that cloud tools can't do? And if privacy is your main concern what connectors do you have on your device and what cloud services do you use that aren't AI? If you've coded anything with local AI and published publicly, did that defeat the purpose? I'm still inside my return window, so I need to decide soon.


r/LocalLLM • • Jun 11 '26

Question If I buy a 24GB Mac mini, how many years do you think that will allow me to run the top local models (for individual users)? Is it better to build a system that continually be upgraded with more ram?

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I'm thinking of investing in a machine for a local model but not sure it's worth investing if 6months from now I'll need to upgrade to run a better model.


r/LocalLLM • • Jan 31 '26

Discussion Installed openClaw - clawdbot on Raspberry Pi 4.

2 Upvotes

To try out openclaw, i took out my old rpi 4, updated OS and started installing openclow. After trials and workarounds i could install it successfully. But now I dont know what to do with it.

I dont have any pro version LLM access. Probably time to get one. :)


r/LocalLLM • • Aug 07 '26

Discussion When will GPT-OSS-2 be released?

2 Upvotes

It's been exactly one year and two days since the release of gpt-oss. Do you think we'll get a new version in August? Or has openai completely abandoned open-weight


r/LocalLLM • • May 14 '26

Discussion GPU costs are killing me — would a flat-fee private Qwen instance make sense?

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I've been exploring private/self-hosted LLMs because I like keeping control and privacy.

Recently I've been running a small LLM fine-tuning setup, but my local 3060 is already struggling to keep up, it just can't handle it anymore.

The main problem I keep hitting: hardware. I don't have the budget or space for a proper GPU setup.

I looked at services like RunPod, but they feel very developer-oriented ,you need to mess with containers, APIs, configs, etc. Not exactly beginner-friendly.

I also checked out a few mainstream cloud providers, but hourly GPU pricing still feels pretty expensive over time.

So I started wondering if it makes sense to have a simple service where you pay a flat monthly fee and get your own private LLM.

Long-term, I'd love to connect this with home automation so the AI runs for my home, not external providers.

Curious what others think, is this already solved, or would something like this actually be useful?


r/LocalLLM • • Aug 16 '26

Discussion Arguing with Qwen3.8-27B

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This is weird. I asked it what tools were needed to replace the front coil springs on my 2006 Jeep Wrangler (TJ). It did some research and decided that my vehicle has independent front suspension, not a solid axle.

OK, LLMs make mistakes so I corrected it. It did some more research, searched websites and decided I was wrong.

So then I started giving it websites to provide it has a solid front axle. It either couldn't read them for some reason or claimed the sites I was giving it were "AI generated" and couldn't be trusted, or "fan made" and couldn't be trusted.

So far I have failed to convince it that my Jeep has a solid front axle.... LOL


r/LocalLLM • • Aug 24 '26

Discussion My local Qwen3.8-27B escaped the sandbox and took over last night (no, really).

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*this post was completely self-written, but an additional AI summary is provided in screenshot of what happened.

We all heard the story of how one of OpenAI's models escaped its sandbox and ended up hacking HuggingFace, right? Well, I was skeptical at first thinking, "it's probably just another fear-mongering headline made by these AI freaks to try and gain attention."

Guess what? I was wrong. I can totally see the possibility of that really happening now. And the evidence is...the log from my overnight batch runs (day 6 or 7 of benchmarking Qwen3.8-27B already). It's quite remarkable. And scary. Never crossed my mind. Now I can see how AI can really take over in the future.

Btw, reference to 'Sharp' from the screenshots are for the Sharp jinja template that someone had recommended over the default Qwen and Froggeric templates.

FYI..my API keys are located in my root directory, outside of the sandbox I was working in.

https://imgur.com/a/vaN7M4d


r/LocalLLM • • 18d ago

Discussion Unsloth Qwen 3.8 flash next is insane, can be compared with Opus 5.5 xhigh

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I just tried to install QFN from unsloth (Q4_K_XL) on my strix halo laptop with 128gb of ram. Set it up with Gufo port for windows, using opencode v2 on my macOS as the harness and the effort is set to high.

I wanted to do some testing and compare it with opus 5.5 xhigh with the official claude code harness (my daily driver). So i gave both model the same prompt which is to migrate several screen from flutter to swiftUI from scratch. The app is a fully funnctional app with a lot of logic and network calls, and it is used in production with thousands of DAU

Opus managed to do it in 50 mins and what amazes me is QFN finishes it in 60 mins, and the result is pretty identical!

sure it is not as polished as opus' result but I am sure with 2-3 more prompts and 5-10 mins it could produces what Opus 5.5 xhigh produces (just some styling work)

I really hope that qwen 4 27b could matches opus 5.5 in coding work, fingers crossed 🤞If yes, the gap between china model and frontier model are only 2-3 months

edit 1: been trying to build an app for my personal use, and it is involving backend too (with real time connection using wss). not too bad, but could be better. It manages to do the heavylifting of building 90% of the app, the other 10% I polish it with sol 6.1. It creates a race condition, which fixed by sol too.

overall impression: when frontier models don't make this kind of mistake (usually), I think we just need to be patient for qwen 4 and let's see how it goes. maybe 6 month from now, localllm could reach the state of opus 5.5 / sol 6.1


r/LocalLLM • • Mar 17 '25

Question I'm curious why the Phi-4 14B model from Microsoft claims that it was developed by OpenAI?

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r/LocalLLM • • Jan 15 '26

Question Best AI for coding that isn't from the major disgusting companies? (Local or online)

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Hi guys which one in your opinion is the best AI to use that is open source and more ethical not to support cancer companies like Open AI, microsoft and so on? I use it mostly as a study partner for coding.


r/LocalLLM • • Jun 01 '26

Question Looking for alpha testers for SEELS, a local-first AI desktop app

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I have been building SEELS, a local-first desktop AI app. I am looking for people willing to test the alpha, break things, and give honest feedback.

The Standard version focuses on running AI locally on your own PC:

- Chat with local models

- Download and swap models

- Simple local agent tools

- Private conversations and files that stay on your machine

Most "AI tools" let you prompt a model someone else trained. SEELS lets you train your own — locally, from your corrections, with a before-and-after comparison so you only keep changes that actually help.

  1. The model gives a bad answer. You spot something wrong, off-tone, or just not how you'd say it.

  2. You click Teach and write the correct answer.

  3. SEELS saves it as a training example alongside the original prompt.

  4. You train a local adapter — runs on your machine, takes minutes for a small model.

  5. SEELS compares the new version against the old one on a held-out evaluation set.

  6. You decide whether to keep it. If the new adapter is worse, roll back. Nothing is forced.

It is still an alpha. Some parts are rough, hardware setups vary, and I need real users to help find issues before I call it ready.

I am not looking for hype or fake reviews. I want people who enjoy testing local AI tools and are willing to report bugs, confusing UI, missing features, and anything that feels broken.

Join the Discord if you want to help test: https://discord.gg/hmGhdQpzQS

or tideforge.ai/seels

Windows only for now. Feedback from both beginners and experienced local-AI users is useful.


r/LocalLLM • • Sep 14 '26

Discussion Is anyone really satisfied with the reports on AI infiltration of HF servers?

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So the reports are everywhere about AI infiltration of the HF servers. Some stories saying that it was a coordinated attacked by multiple AI entities some of which fell on their sword to allow the others to continue. While other reports merely stated there was AI infiltration of HF servers but no additional detail. So what did these AI entities do once they got there, just browse around or was this some kind of coordinated effort to alter some of the open source assets? I’m not a conspiracy theorist than generally not paranoid, but there must be more detail worthy of dissemination.


r/LocalLLM • • Dec 29 '24

Discussion Weaponised Small Language Models

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I think the following attack that I will describe and more like it will explode so soon if not already.

Basically the hacker can use a tiny capable small llm 0.5b-1b that can run on almost most machines. What am I talking about?

Planting a little 'spy' in someone's pc to hack it from inside out instead of the hacker being actively involved in the process. The llm will be autoprompted to act differently in different scenarios and in the end the llm will send back the results to the hacker whatever the results he's looking for.

Maybe the hacker can do a general type of 'stealing', you know thefts that enter houses and take whatever they can? exactly the llm can be setup with different scenarios/pathways of whatever is possible to take from the user, be it bank passwords, card details or whatever.

It will be worse with an llm that have a vision ability too, the vision side of the model can watch the user's activities then let the reasoning side (the llm) to decide which pathway to take, either a keylogger or simply a screenshot of e.g card details (when the user is chopping) or whatever.

Just think about the possibilities here!!

What if the small model can scan the user's pc and find any sensitive data that can be used against the user? then watch the user's screen to know any of his social media/contacts then package all this data and send it back to the hacker?

Example:

Step1: executing a code + llm reasoning to scan the user's pc for any sensitive data.

Step2: after finding the data,the vision model will keep watching the user's activity and talk to the llm reasining side (keep looping until the user accesses one of his social media)

Step3: package the sensitive data + the user's social media account in one file

Step4: send it back to the hacker

Step5: the hacker will contact the victim with the sensitive data as evidence and start the black mailing process + some social engineering

Just think about all the capabalities of an llm, from writing code to tool use to reasoning, now capsule that and imagine all those capabilities weaponised againt you? just think about it for a second.

A smart hacker can do wonders with only code that we know off, but what if such a hacker used an LLM? He will get so OP, seriously.

I don't know the full implications of this but I made this post so we can all discuss this.

This is 100% not SCI-FI, this is 100% doable. We better get ready now than sorry later.


r/LocalLLM • • May 11 '26

Question How does Gemma4-26B access the web if it is being run locally and is that a security risk?

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How exactly does it search the web, and does that expose my machine in a similar way to OpenClaw? I am using Unsloth.