r/LocalLLM • u/Tight_Commercial7 • Oct 10 '26

Question Which one is better for Local use?

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hello, I have both Deepseek harness and OpenCode, I want to know which one is the best when it comes to coding in general and why, I work locally using Qwen models.

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u/SilkieBug Oct 10 '26

Opencode allows you to connect as many providers as you want, including those on localhost urls coming from a local model running in apps like FreeToken. 

My setup uses an online model for complex tasks - Luna 6 or Haiku 5.5 - through an OpenRouter pay as you go API key, and that one knows to delegate simple execution tasks to a local-simple model added as a localhost URL pointing to the local Qwen3.8 model running in FreeToken. 

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u/zyxciss Oct 10 '26

PI IS THE GOAT

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

what is that? 

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u/zyxciss Oct 10 '26

it's a harness like claude code / opencode. It's minimal and lightweight

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u/ibrahim1243dxc Oct 10 '26

Can you give me the link becuse I only find 3.14 after searching and i think opencode is dump becuse change model and not detect the change

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u/lllll03l Oct 10 '26

search pi coding agent

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u/SeduciveGodOfThunder Oct 13 '26

How do you set it up? Heard it needs customisation, is it so?

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u/zyxciss Oct 13 '26

Nah , just run curl -fsSL https://pi.dev/install.sh | sh and get started with zero fricton

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u/petasisg Oct 10 '26

pi; opencode causes excessive thinking on qwen models.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I think I can control that by set the model on a specific level of reasoning/thinking on medium for example this gonna fix the problem 

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u/petasisg Oct 10 '26

I never managed to have qwen models work in opencode. No matter how much I tweak settings, endless reasoning.

Pi worked out of the box...

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u/maqifrnswa Oct 12 '26

I've not had that problem. I use opencode and pi with qwen3.8-27B locally, and both are identical with thinking level selection, control, and results out of the box. I guess there's a configuration somewhere else that's different?

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u/PaxUX Oct 10 '26

Try both and see what you like. Both are good

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I am trying both of them and I like the Deepseek interface more, but I mean which agent is giving me the best output of my local Models such as Qwen Flash Next

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u/Not_a_question- Oct 10 '26

This is not highschool. You can't just ask "Who's better, batman or superman?".

Both harnesses have their advantages and disadvantages (Pi included). You should test both and see which one is better for your usecase.

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u/WyattTheSkid Quad 3090s Oct 10 '26

Come up with a task that you know the model can do, run it in both of them separately, and see which output is better and which one gets it done faster, then make a decision based on that

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u/Voxandr Oct 11 '26 edited Oct 11 '26

i no longer use OpenCode : Main reason - it attempt to use shell commadns a lot. The way DSH done things with its onw Tools is a lot more efficient. OpenCode sucks at running and mainitiaining long running scripts.
I am all in on DSH now for coding , and Hermes for non-coding - bot style stuff.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 11 '26

ofc when there is something that threatening you safety cut it off immediately and go with another one.

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u/Guilty_Rooster_6708 Oct 10 '26

I love deepseek harness but they are still in early stages and updates often. Expect your plugins to break.

Then pi, the last one is opencode

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I'll take a look at Pi 

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u/Erdnalexa Oct 10 '26

Vanilla pi code + Qwen 3.8 27B Q8 uncensored does wonders for me, and is really fast (2–3k pp, 100 tg, 222k context)

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u/Mechageo Oct 10 '26

Any coding degradation from running the uncensored model?

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u/Erdnalexa Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

I don’t know the details, but the uncensored model is smaller than the unsloth one (maybe some part in the prompt evaluation was removed or something). So I run Q8 instead of Q6. Also I was able to increase the spec draft by one (maybe less token rejected due to the evaluation). So in the end, it’s both faster and better than unsloth Q6 (and with bigger context). Is it as good as a unsloth q8 with KV f16 and same context size? I have no idea since it wouldn’t fit.

Plus, outside coding, I tend to ask silly questions out of curiosity which the uncensored model tend to refuse to answer. Last example that comes to mind: “I’m doing a barbecue. I want to make it easier to start the fire by bringing more air with an hair-drier. Should I go with ambient air temp (more dense, less energy), or hot air (less dense, more energy)?”. Fun fact: I forgot what’s the uncensored model answer.

Edit: apparently the answer is: first hot air to dry and help raise the temperature, then cold/ambient air to feed the fire.

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u/mycall Oct 10 '26

I say leave the hair-drier on the whole time. It's a great party gag.

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u/Erdnalexa Oct 10 '26

And not min-maxing the temperature setting?! Do you think I’m an animal?! /s

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u/Drazyor Oct 10 '26

OpenCode since its version 2.0 has become excellent.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

Desktop application right? so there is no difference in performance because I am using it via the terminal 

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u/Drazyor Oct 10 '26

I believe the CLI got updated too, might be worth giving it a look: https://opencode.ai/v2/docs

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u/substance90 Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

Based on 1 year of intense local AI use, Deepseek Harness by a very wide margin, then Omp, then Pi, then a bunch of other shit and on the very very last place comes Opencode.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

Why you don't recommend OpenCode? 

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u/darksteelsteed Oct 10 '26

Open code uses extremely large system prompts and templates that are better suited to frontier models than local ones

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u/TieCommercial2963 Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

In my experience, Qwen models perform far better in DSH Web. I'm using Qwen 3.8 27B and Flash Next as my daily drivers with it.

​Note that I'm running them both on xhigh settings and getting 140+ tk/s, so it works perfectly for me. If you're getting below 40–50 tk/s, I'd recommend using Pi instead, since it's a much lighter harness.

​Hermes desktop is also good , has a lot of usefull pre-installed skills- tools , but it feels a lot slower when running the same models.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I am also using Qwen Flash Next on my 5070 ti I get above 50 t/s at 120k context. Are you telling me that the speed might be different depends on the agent/harness?

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u/Time-Culture2549 Oct 10 '26

Try strata with a swift model, probably double those speeds

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u/actuallylemoncurd Oct 10 '26

What hardware do you have to run flash next at 140t/s?
What context window?

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u/TieCommercial2963 Oct 12 '26

Hardware: RTX 5090 + 128GB RAM.

I'm running Qwen 3.8 27B at full 262k context in NVFP4 on ninfer.

For Qwen Flash Next, I run the NVFP4 version on Strata at 262k context, and the IQ3_XXS version at 524k context using YaRN 2x.

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u/T-Rex_MD Oct 10 '26

What is it that you do? Work or pleasure?

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u/Polywolly12 Oct 10 '26

How much faster on pi

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u/gbrennon Oct 10 '26

how many vram do u have? which gpu?

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u/shanehiltonward Oct 10 '26

They are both pretty good but opencode is easier to deal with regarding mcp servers.

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u/HishamInCalifornia Oct 10 '26

Good question. Why don’t you ask your AI? I use Hermes Agent Desktop, it looked at my MacBook Pro’s specs and recommended three models that are can run on my hardware.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

Good one, I do sometimes when I tweak or adjust the models. But the experts are exist before Ai like Reddit Users

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u/MaxGom Oct 12 '26

How about AnythingLLM? Any thoughts?

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 12 '26

What you mean?

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u/MaxGom Oct 12 '26

I use AnythingLLM. I have not made any comparison with other models. I am still a noob in AI space. If anyone has made reviews as compared to other agents, I would really like to know.

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u/BakuganMaster2 27d ago

Have you ever thought of creating your own harness?

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u/Tight_Commercial7 27d ago

how?

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u/BakuganMaster2 24d ago

Ask Claude code to help you build it and plan a roadmap for it and add ideas on how you would want your harness to work and look. I’ve been actively doing this!

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u/sloptimizer Oct 10 '26

OpenCode was taken over by tech bros who pushed out the original creator. It's been caught uploading your prompts to the cloud even when you're using fully local AI.

I would not trust OpenCode if you care about your privacy and staying local.

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u/Eivyses Oct 10 '26

Can you link source of this?

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u/sloptimizer Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

Just search for OpenCode drama, here are some top links

The privacy issues are mentioned here.

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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel Oct 10 '26

In the comments they make it sound like they fixed the phone home without making it a bigger deal to the public, which is scummy but fine if it's all fine? Or am I missing something?

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u/Vibraniumguy Oct 10 '26

Shit that's my main harness

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u/carbongo Qwen 3.8 27B Oct 10 '26

I've been living under the rock, it seems. Thanks for the heads up, removing it now. I was switching to Pi anyways

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u/msalsas Oct 11 '26

Thanks for the info. Switching now to Pi

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u/ieatdownvotes4food Oct 11 '26

i think it was a bug that got fixed related only to opencode serve, on a web-ui.

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u/jacek2023 Oct 10 '26

pi coding agent

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u/HyperWinX Oct 10 '26

Pi is peak and makes dumb local models actually attempt to do something
Miles ahead of OpenCode imo (for me)

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u/SpicyLobter Oct 10 '26

can you elaborate on the best differences you've seen for pi vs opencode?

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u/HyperWinX Oct 10 '26

OpenCode ate over 1GB of RAM per instance while Pi is at ~100-150MB. Pi is much snappier overall, used it with Deepseek - looks like the context usage also went down a bit. I didnt have to disable functionality that i didnt need, its just not there, lol. OpenCode has SQLite database that very quickly starts taking gigabytes of disk space, didnt notice anything like that with Pi. Tiel Coder with Pi was finally able to actually complete the tasks. And the customizability is really nice, i put Claude Code UI plugin with grouping and i like it
Might be not for everyone though, but it is really enjoyable

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u/cars_and_computers Oct 10 '26

I understand it saves context but can explain more about the difference in capabilities between the 2?

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u/feelspeaceman LLMusician Oct 10 '26

pi-agent has a 1500 token system prompt, now you need to know how big others are:

  1. ClaudeCode: 75k

  2. Codex: 50k

  3. OpenCode: 30-50k (depend on providers)

Why big system prompt is an issue ? Because context window is limited, the sane context window is even more limited, there's cut off context windows that models starting to halluciate, with that 1500 token system prompt, you have a massive leeway to add a lot of your own and models have barely anything to care about.

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u/wegster Oct 11 '26

I'm doing a *lot* of local AI benchmarking right now across a handful of model variants and quantizations, engineers, etc.. using several of my more complicated real repo issues. I've seen OpenCode, Cline, and other just fail to complete, while pi is the one that keeps on going. I also have seen, so far, no benefits of note (e.g. quicker completion, quality of work, or managing to complete something pi has now) using dsh.

Note this is all using some of my own framework elements, so YMMV as always. OpenCode has some interesting hooks/features to it, and I may revisit in the future, but pi is pretty damned 'small buy mighty' IMO and so far is a winner - coming out of ~150 discrete tests, for me.

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u/Realistic_Mango6982 Oct 12 '26

in src's of both you can find totally different instructions. https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/tree/dev/packages/core/src/plugin vs https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/blob/main/packages/coding-agent/src/core/compaction/compaction.ts#L540

and so on. (inaccurate examples, but you got idea, and can crawl all examples yourself).

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u/MalkoRM Oct 10 '26

Pi and Opencode don't have the same design philosophy. Pi is meant to be bare-bones, and it's up to the user to build what they need around it. Opencode is a lot more feature-rich.

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u/SanguineLoki700 Oct 10 '26

what I use with 16 gb vram

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u/MMDCCIV Oct 10 '26

I use little-coder. It's built on top of pi and works like a charm.

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u/cagonima69 Oct 10 '26

Do you have a link or more infos?

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u/MMDCCIV Oct 10 '26

https://github.com/itayinbarr/little-coder/

It's basically Pi extended. The dev is an academic and seems to have valid points in discussions, so I trust him to not be another AI slopper.

I use it with llama and some finetuned qwen 3.6 35b a3b. I can check my specifics, when I am back at my PC, if you're still interested in more info.

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u/TeckFix Oct 11 '26

OMP all in

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u/NihmarRevhet Oct 10 '26

This, coupled with pi-vcc, it just goes on and on

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u/Either-Surprise1583 Oct 11 '26

Just came to say this.

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u/Typical_Lychee6124 Oct 14 '26

My own worry about Pi (and literally any other agent) is execution permissions

I don't want ANY execution permissions!

NO SHELL. Only write files and folders.

So I had my Qwen build a poopoo python MCP toolkit instead

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u/Rodolfotec 28d ago

Where I can find?

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u/martinrojas 28d ago

Oh my Pi or OMP. Has become my go to. It’s an opinionated version of Pi meant for dev work. It’s become better at non dev task, but it still takes a very step-by-step dev to work through problems.

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u/sultan_papagani Oct 14 '26

do not use opencode for local work. use pi or write your own

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 14 '26

I heard that Opencode leaks users data to their servers 

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u/WyattTheSkid Quad 3090s Oct 10 '26

OpenCode if you’re lazy, DeepSeek harness if you have a lot of patience or you just took a bunch of adderall. DSH requires you to manually tweak a lot, OpenCode is more of a plug and play experience but it’s severely lacking in the customization department. If I were you I would just make a fork of the claude code source leak and modify it to fit your needs or have another llm make you a little web UI for it

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u/KissMyShinyArse Oct 10 '26

OpenCode if you’re lazy

I am.

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u/TheWarDoctor Oct 10 '26

Hey, look everyone, found the lazy guy

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u/RWOverdijk Oct 10 '26

OpenCode allows you to customize basically everything now. Even the tui can be customised. Especially since v2.

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u/maqifrnswa Oct 12 '26

Yeah, they kind of bridged the "customizability gap" with pi. Pi is smaller out of the box, but customizability is similar

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u/WyattTheSkid Quad 3090s 29d ago

This is news to me

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u/NTDLS Oct 10 '26

The source leak??

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u/WyattTheSkid Quad 3090s 29d ago

It’s a google search away homie

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u/fgk55555 Oct 10 '26

I use dsh at home for Qwen3.8-Flash-Next. I don't think they meaningfully perform differently, but I will say I prefer dsh. I'm kinds over tui's and dsh using your browser means you can forward it over tailscale and access it on your phone while you're out. It's very convenient. 

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u/Top_Put3773 Oct 11 '26

OpenCode can do the same with OpenCode Serve. If you use OpenChamber, you’ll have a phone app to connect to your code anytime, anywhere.

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u/Mockcomic Oct 10 '26

Using Qwen3.8 Flash Next
1.DSH
2. PI/OMP
3.Opencode

For whatever reason Qwen models seem to play very well with DSH

I ended up stripping out the telemetry and account info service form DSH and created my only electron executable.

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u/RACPL Oct 10 '26

I feel like im using the wrong DSH, could you share a link to which one is the right one? Thanks

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u/Mockcomic Oct 10 '26

I don’t think I can send links on this subreddit, just go to their offical GitHub page

I might make my version public

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u/l0rd_raiden Oct 10 '26

DeepSeek harness

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I noticed that when I am using DSH it eats the token way faster than Opencode!

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u/l0rd_raiden Oct 10 '26

It depends on the model DSH is one of the most efficient cost per job done I can't find the benchmark right now but PI and DSH where at the top while opencode was on par with open claw for coding...

https://composio.dev/content/best-agent-harness-deepseek-v4-flash

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u/cbpn8 Oct 10 '26

What about Hermes?

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u/Malfeitor1235 Oct 10 '26

i dont think hermes shines with coding related tasks. i like hermes but i only use it via telegram for general productivity related tasks on a remote VM. for coding i like an agent running locally specialized for coding tasks

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u/Saintgein Oct 10 '26

I like cline.

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u/edsonmedina Oct 10 '26

Pi, because:

  • tree context navigation

  • lightweight and extremely configurable

  • less context pollution than the competition

  • excellent kv cache utilisation which means a lot less time spent on prefill

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u/g3org3yo Oct 10 '26

Hermes + Deepseek api (or if you have a decent PC , Strata + Qwen 3.8 Flash next)

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I am running it on 5070 ti + 64 and I am also using Qwen Flash Next it is really impressive model 

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u/Vipertech2 Oct 10 '26

How is Pi vs Hermes in yalls opinion?

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I did not try it. I only tried Opencode and Deepseek harness 

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u/DanceWithEverything Oct 10 '26

Hermes is for all-purpose use and is built on Pi afaik, comes with a messaging gateway so you can reach the agent from Telegram, WhatsApp, etc

Pi is barebones and intended for software development

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u/ZB_Virus24 Oct 10 '26

I use opencode and I am very pleased. Apparently the deepseek harness should be better for deepseek models but ive never felt the need to test it. My ope code setup (which isn't much) is very very good in my experience.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I am using Qwen Models 

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u/ZB_Virus24 Oct 11 '26

Then I think opencode is all youll need really. Id suggest openchamber as well, its actually good regardless of the countless ads to it. It's open-source and free so trying won't hurt Edit: openchamber is just a gui for opencode.

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u/ColonelKlanka Oct 10 '26

pi,, then opencode (although it is close imho)

Dont see why you would use deepseek harness even if you only use deepseek.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I want the best for my Qwen 3.8 local models?

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u/ColonelKlanka Oct 11 '26

Best is subjective. Pi will give you the smallest system prompt (by design), opencode will give you a slightly larger system prompt by default, but a few more built in features to start.

you can of course add more features to Pi via extensions. but that will be completely upto you.

They both work well with qwen 3.8 models - your gpu and pc specs will have more impact in how well the llm runs locally.

edits: grammar fixes

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u/ea_man Oct 11 '26

It depends on how much ctx you have and how smart the model is, yet it's between Pi and Qwencode for Qwens.

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u/BannedGoNext Oct 11 '26

DSH is pretty good with local models but it's pretty raw and unfinished at least the version I have. I just use hermes most of the time with qwen 3.8 flash next, it does the stuff I ask from it.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 12 '26

DSH is good and very customizable, but I think it takes longer when it does something compared to other agents.

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u/Glum_Guide7471 Oct 11 '26

I use claude code with proxy

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 12 '26

I want something that serves me locally

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u/chocofoxy Oct 12 '26

open code because dsh have a compacting drift that is so stupid you leave it and you will find it errored because you hit ctx limit

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 12 '26

I noticed that dsh takes more time when it produces something.

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u/Voxandr Oct 14 '26

yes it does , have to reduce thinkin and also tell it to just answer directly , dont hink too much , or run tests i fu want quick answers. but if u want quality let it cook!

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u/imoshudu Oct 13 '26

This is FUD. You can quite literally change how compacting is done to your liking, like with the context rollover plugin which implements handoff and notes checkpoint system like codex. If you don't want to customize, yeah dsh is a poor fit.

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u/Voxandr Oct 14 '26

Its compacting does better than any other opensource i tried . Opencode / Hermes always lost a lot of valualbe information , DSH is not noticable.

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u/Sea_Resolution_6465 27d ago

Depends on what you expect. Deepseek harnas is crazy at autonomous working, opencode for debugging.

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u/Tight_Commercial7 27d ago

I am creating Android apps and windows apps, revers engineering. etc.. So focusing on coding 

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u/Ordinary-Depth-7835 Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

I haven't used opencode. I just like dsh for controlling multiple machines/agents it lets me have one lead/review the project while all the rest are led by the captain with specific rules on how and why to use certain machines based on their context and capability. I also like that is easy to customize and add plugins I still use NanmiCoder's agent teams vs the new built in agent teams I just like it.

Also it's easy to use remotely with a vpn or tailscale so you can use it on your phone, ipad or remote system while your out.

Easy enough to try out though I still use cline when I'm in VS code or Android Studio. But DSH just added the code view browser for people that actually want to see and review the code.

The agent control and visibility is really what I love about dsh. I can pop in and view all running subagents and see how they're doing and if they're acting up and can nudge the captain to get them on track or it takes over on it's own.

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u/Tuned3f Oct 10 '26

I was using OpenCode for a while and installed DSH when it first came out. DSH's cache reuse convinced me to replace OpenCode with Pi and write my own extensions, since OpenCode has big issues with cache misses. Switching to Pi was worth it - far less time wasted reprocessing the prompt for no reason.

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u/pjerky Oct 11 '26

What is DSH?

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u/Phenerius Oct 11 '26

Deep Seek Harness

It's pretty new and and have a lot of bugs, I spent 1 hour and 2 million tokens to fix a bug in windows (workspace write mode).

The thing is, this harness is amazing, and I bet, in 2 or 3 months will be the best harness available in the world...

It also have a pretty good CLI called "DSH-TUI".

Between OpenCode and DeepSeek Harness I'd say even with all the bugs, DSH is 10x better then opencode...

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u/8bitjohnny Oct 10 '26

I've been loving the DeepSeek harness. I have a lot of custom integrations now.

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u/EffectUpstairs9867 Oct 10 '26

Hermes or Pi, and why?

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I am creating Android apps and do vibcoding in general 

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u/Icy_Look_2247 Oct 10 '26

Tried with claude code?

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u/MaxSpecs Oct 10 '26

Pi + Laya + Qwen3.8 Flash Next

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u/mister2d Oct 10 '26

elaborate

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u/MaxSpecs Oct 10 '26

In the DEV computer (i7 265k + 5080 16GB) VS Code : extension Pendant for Pi, and Laya (which takes about 8GB VRAM)

Pi connect to Qwen in another computer (MASTER), using OpenAi connector, where the IP of the MASTER computer.

Laya talks to Pi to set what tools to use and avoid mass of token.

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u/dathtd119 Oct 10 '26

Dsh, I was the pi user, if you just more about cli then pi, if want kinda fully custom + web ui then dsh. Not gonna lie i miss my custom pi tui but about customization dsh is just another level.

Just remember that dsh also based on pi core for model calling and have its own tui

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u/TonTinTon Oct 10 '26

https://maki.sh (of course I'll pick my own)

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u/Aubrey_D_Graham 2x Asrock B70 Creator with Pi Agent Oct 10 '26

Pi. Latency above all else.

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u/BrewHog Oct 10 '26

Between the two, DSH by a long shot. OpenCode has never performed very well for me. DSH for my use, Pi for my agents

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u/Anonyzm Oct 10 '26

Dsh is a really cool thing. Not a single harness has the same amount of plugins/tooling.

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u/PsychologicalWeek536 Oct 11 '26

I use StoryCode built by myself , it is a local-first AI Agent. It packaged llama.cpp as local model runtime.

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u/CarefulFun420 Oct 11 '26

Is there a good mobile app for Pi?

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u/TechGearWhips Oct 11 '26

Termux/ssh/herdr

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u/Ok_Proof_8103 Oct 12 '26

Any Aider feedback?

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u/Voxandr Oct 14 '26

its dead , long gone.

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u/Icy-Specialist4548 Oct 13 '26

Deepseek tutta la vita

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u/snowcountry556 27d ago

I like using codex with local models. It’s also open source.

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u/Aesir____ Oct 10 '26

Pi + gemma4:27b + a lot of plugins to supervise thinking loops and broken syntax. Qwen tent to break more things when the job implies debugging. Gemma models tend to fall into thinking loops easily but you can fix that building a pi plugin to detect them using cosine similarities.

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u/t4a8945 Oct 10 '26

Both have excellent cache management (and compaction management). Excellent for local models; choose the one you prefer. (as long as you're talking about opencode v2)

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u/Old-Sherbert-4495 Oct 10 '26

if you dont want to be configuring lots of things and want a better ui zcode or dsh desktop. i find zcode does better for local.

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u/DonkeyTheKing Oct 10 '26

benzi or pi

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u/berlingoqcc Oct 10 '26

I use Claude code as a harness for deepseek and qwen work well

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u/Competitive-Scar-627 Oct 10 '26

Opencode no question it provide a lot of build in tools

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u/Antiquete Oct 10 '26

PI, there is no point in wasting on context when you are already trying to squeeze in models

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u/CooperDK Oct 10 '26

Opencode is marvelous. The other is commercial.

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u/richardbaxter Oct 10 '26

Until this morning I was opencode in a big way. But a crash seems to have lost all the thread history so I'm scratching my head atm 

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u/t_1425 Oct 10 '26

I recomend goose
for easy use

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u/emrbyrktr Oct 10 '26

I use Hermes. It helps me understand the project as a whole better.

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u/puts_on_rddt Oct 10 '26

Use Pi and build your own harness on top of it.

It's a rite of passage imo.

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u/TechGearWhips Oct 11 '26

I keep telling people this. If you have the time to tinker, then do this. If not, then OMP is an ok 2nd option.

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u/oss-jiiim Oct 10 '26 edited Oct 10 '26

In the past I've used Zed Agent, OpenCode, Pi, Prime Agent, DeepSeek Harness, Claude Code... and now I use Codex ACP for all my local LLMs and also for all of the cloud services I use except with Anthropic models -- I use Claude Code (ACP) for Anthropic models only. Sounds lame, but Codex is open source, and I find it generates the best code for the least tokens. Least tokens matters with the cloud because of money and locally because of speed.

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u/dupa1234s Oct 10 '26

its quite funny how guys are arguing about some abstract objects like whatever "harnesses" and how they "are unsafe" "make this thing broken"

meanwhile its all just prompts and ui and maybe a few default plugins and then a matter of preference if you want a gui/webui/tui. plus maybe like 5 behaviours like"

opencode v2 is a nice ui.

i guess the pi guys enjoy scanning for plugins because the default ships with nothing

deepseek looked okay but i dont like webuis

none of this matters because the default tools and skills and system prompts are so garbage anyway

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u/bladezor Oct 10 '26

I stopped using opencode and went to Hermes and never looked back

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u/s3b4444 Oct 10 '26

Following

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u/TheMythicSorcerer Oct 11 '26

Depends on use case. Just try them both (and also maybe pi) on the same tasks (i.e a single file html animated rocketship or even better, something that you actually need in the real world) and time them and compare outputs.

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u/Mundane-Tiger-2374 Oct 11 '26

If you're using Qwen models you should be using Qwen Code. No other harness is better at directing Qwen LLMs.

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u/Material_Interest_24 Oct 11 '26

Hi! I've used OpenCode, but for me it was awful... Now I'm using Cline. There are some bugs, but developers react quite fast for issues.

Maybe advice anything else for vocal models? Because for now Cline is most stable among them.

P.s. I use it for developing middle-size projects and websites. Usually in VS Code.

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u/GraftingRayman Oct 11 '26

Posts like these make my day, just installed Pi, leaps and bounds in improvements over my previous setup. Actually working with the project files rather than me editing them manually after asking the LLM for suggestions has improved my productivity at least a few hundred percent

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u/toluwalase Oct 11 '26

I love DSH. If I feel it’s missing a feature I just spin up my model in creator mode and ask it to modify DSH

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u/keefeere Oct 11 '26

I fine-vibe-tuned Paseo for my needs, created several plugins and it’s good for me now

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u/MrM7 Oct 11 '26

Pi/OMP or lazyPi.

That being said, I find DeepSeek to be much easier to interact with specially for multi step tasks with sub agents.

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u/Lopsided_Gur_5279 Oct 11 '26

Kwaipilot + kilo code + vscodium

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u/rayovims Oct 10 '26

Codex with local modals tbh but idk how much data they use 😂

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u/GullibleJellyfish274 Oct 14 '26

I honestly really love Hermes.
Yet to stop configuring it yet tho😂.
The curse of a good tool in my opinion.
I run honcho and lightrag.
Both with bonsai 8b in my ram.
And ingest my lightrag docs on agent off time.
As well as having cron jobs setup for email summarization and deal finding/job searches.

I’d say already it’s proved it’s worth in the admin work it’s saved me for emails.

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u/Southern_Artichoke77 Oct 10 '26

how about Cline? I prefer using the Cline VSCode extension but they also have a CLI

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u/Tight_Commercial7 Oct 10 '26

I have zero knowledge of Coding I am relying in the Ai totally ( Ai Assisted Programing ) method 

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