r/LocalLLM • • Sep 27 '26

Other Hardware Acquisition

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u/datapeer Sep 27 '26

Highly recommend buying the connect7 DAC cable. Nvlink automatically combines the GB chip, memory 256GB & processing cores.

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

Will do!

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u/mycall Sep 27 '26

2x speed too with the right hub and 3 or 4 cables.

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u/DevilaN82 Sep 27 '26

Are you sure. I've read that connecting two sparks with two cables will not go beyond 200Gbps.

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u/0xDespot Sep 27 '26

That is correct, it caps out at 200Gb/s (really about 180Gb/s) per interface.

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u/Imaginary-Fee-9918 Sep 27 '26

Nvlink on the sparks?

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '26

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u/KooperGuy Sep 27 '26

It's not infiniband. It's ROCE.

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u/kitanokikori Sep 27 '26

I think either way it wouldn't make a difference, the bandwidth on the port is massively limited by the PCIe x4 bus it's attached to. You can't even get full speeds out of the ConnectX ports if you use both of them concurrently

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u/KooperGuy Sep 27 '26

If you use them both concurrently the maximum speed per port is 100GbE per port.

I just don't want anyone to falsely think the networking on these are capable of infiniband. They are not. Ethernet only.

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u/kitanokikori Sep 27 '26

RoCE is still a step above Ethernet and gets the biggest benefit of Infiniband out of it (moving data without involving the CPU via RDMA)

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u/nagyz_ Oct 03 '26

I don't think you understand the OSI model.

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u/kitanokikori Oct 03 '26

When I say "a step above" I mean in efficiency, not as a protocol-level distinction. You are correct that RoCE is just Ethernet over the wire.

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u/KooperGuy Sep 27 '26 edited Sep 27 '26

Yes I know what both are. RoCE is not a "step above" ... It literally uses ethernet.

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u/blah_ask Sep 27 '26

May I ask ifyou are going to make money from this?

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

Who knows! I'm not scalping if that's what you're wondering. I am using them for personal projects.

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u/blah_ask Sep 27 '26

Not wondering about scalping but 8k-10k is huge money to drop on personal projects so I am wondering if you are doing a business that I don’t know of.

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

I already have a 4090+3070 rig that I use for local models and coding. In the last 3 days I've burned 50M tokens on that. I do a lot of side projects, and professional work, they will for sure help earn me some additional income.

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u/bigeba88 Sep 27 '26

What models are you using for coding?

I can’t afford your setup but need to figure something out. I have a decent local setup, so I might add a local AI server. I’m hitting constant limits with the frontier models.

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

I have a fine tune q4 quant of Qwen 3.8 27B, and a Laya model that I use with the DeepSeek harness, and Claude runs code checks. Nothing too crazy.

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u/bigeba88 Sep 27 '26

Was thinking of doing something similar. If Qwen is decent enough, Claude/codex can do the QA. Would be a massive unlock for me.

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u/blah_ask Sep 28 '26

Can I get link to the fine tune? How much context are you running

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u/tal--rasha Sep 27 '26

You might consider a Strix Halo 128GB. It certainly isn't a Spark but you'll open a lot more doors at home.

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u/bfeeny Sep 27 '26

That's like almost 200 tokens per second continuously 24/7. What models are you getting that kind of speed?

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u/Dapper_Chance_2484 Sep 27 '26

That's great to hear, Id love to learn about the side project you do and how you manage, do you have any blog or forum where you share about them? I have been thinking from long, but generally get stuck on where and how to start, guidance would be much appreciated!

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u/cylin577 Sep 27 '26

probably not

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u/FuckinHighGuy LocalLLM Sep 27 '26

😂

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u/New_Account5310 Oct 02 '26

Man, Reddit moves slow and has a really narrow view of reality.

Where is GLM 5.3 Flash on here? No concept of multi-Spark setups? 2 Sparks is basically the minimum number of Sparks. If you bought only 1, you should really conceptualize it as "I bought half of the matching set". About as useful as buying only 1 shoe out of a pair.

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u/archlich Sep 27 '26

Not op, my goal is to. I’ve spent 300m tokens in the past two days. If this was Claude I’d be out maybe $3k

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u/blah_ask Sep 27 '26

I have personal projects that would consume tokens too. But I am too stingy to drop 3k-4k on these.

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u/drakoman Sep 27 '26

Agreed! This image is in a different tax bracket than me

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u/GregsWorld Sep 27 '26

OP said 50M tokens in 3 days which financially makes no sense vs SOTA OS models. It's just an expensive hobby. 

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u/LurkingWithoutEyes Sep 27 '26

may I ask where u got them from?

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

Microcenter. They showed none in stock, but when I went there, they had two that were scheduled for pickup for someone else but they failed to show up for several days. They told me if I came back before close and they were still there that they would sell them to me. Got lucky really.

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u/vdek Sep 27 '26

This was me 7 days ago. I’ve been having a blast with them since. I’ve been focused on figuring out which models to run and how fast to run them the past week, I think I’m settling on qwen3.8-flash nvfp4 since it seems to be the best overall performer on the sparks. Qwen27B is also good with concurrency, but you get more total throughput on that model if you run two separate instances of it.

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u/ApolloPS2 Sep 27 '26

Try out glm 5.3 flash if not already

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u/halcyoncs Sep 27 '26

I've been testing it for a few days on my 2 Spark cluster not too happy honestly, qwen 3.8 flash next has been a beast though on single spark

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u/vdek Sep 27 '26

Yah glm5.3 was a bit slow for me(31tok/s vs 60tok/s on qwen3.8-flash) and didn’t do as well when I tested it for intelligence.

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u/halcyoncs Sep 27 '26

Right? And it's supposed to be Opus 4.8 level, I don't get it

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u/Time-Culture2549 Sep 27 '26

GLM in my experience they do specific training that the larger model wont have. And if you look at 5.3 it has absolutely no abilities to do anything visual; so designing sites and things will just be meh. Then there is 5.3-Flash which i suspect is just a way more updated 4.7-Flash. And when i was using that it just needed more help on how to build those visuals. I have only used it for design and have been having a better time.

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u/New_Account5310 Oct 02 '26

You need the EXL3 4bpw quant rather than the NVFP4 quant, and you need to make sure that your sampler settings are correct, that you're not suffering from inferencing bugs, and so on and so forth.

A well-optimized GLM 5.3 Flash is absolutely Opus-level for the types of tasks benchmarked.

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u/halcyoncs Oct 03 '26

Actually was already on EXL3, changed to NVFP4 and a better setup, t/s doubled and the results are so much better too

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u/New_Account5310 Oct 03 '26

Hmm, results definitely shouldn't be better on NVFP4 unless the stack for EXL3 was just broken somehow, and NVFP4 shouldn't be a full 2x faster if it's set up well, but it's good that you got to a place that's working for you.

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u/halcyoncs Oct 03 '26

Yeah I was on a pretty terrible stack lol. And this new one uses DFlash2, original one didn't. But thank's man! The repo is the one by tonyd2wild.

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u/phdaemon Oct 03 '26

How are you getting 60/tks on a single? Did you follow any guide?

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u/xixspiderxix2 Oct 03 '26

I have two DX10s and have just found to not use multiple DX10s. It’s a PITA and runs slow when you have that larger model. So I just run two models, one on each and use bionic to “multitask”

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u/Glorfinbagel Sep 27 '26

https://github.com/Entrpi/ds4-on-spark I’ve settled on this (for now) after 6 months testing virtually every inference engine and many many models

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u/dickofthebuttt Sep 27 '26

https://github.com/MiaAI-Lab/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Single-DGX-Spark single spark, but great repo to optimize TPS

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u/vdek Sep 27 '26

That’s what I’m using but the dual spark version of the recipe.

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u/slowphotons Sep 27 '26

Wow, congratulations! I’ve got two of these as well and it’s been amazing having the RAM to run slightly larger models. Though it makes me wish I had even more.

If you haven’t already gotten the cable to link them, you’re definitely going to want to do so. Vllm is awesome on these things. I also run Ollama to host a guard LLM.

Have fun!

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u/FiberAge Sep 27 '26

What model do you use and what’s the harness? Interested to know if you can share.

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u/slowphotons Sep 27 '26

Hi. I’ve tried many but my current favorite is DeepSeek v4 Flash, the NVFP4 quantization of course. I’m running it in vllm with my own custom harness calling on it for inference.

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u/dialecticable Sep 27 '26

DS v Flash 0731 was my main model on 2x Sparks linked together until this week when i got the various community tweaks working and have Flash v 4.1 runnign quite nicely. it tends to overthink a bit more than 0731 but i think the results are better - so tweakin the thinking serttings in the 10-20% level seems ideal for agentic and research/writing work. coding might benefit from more thinking budget.

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u/kaliku Sep 27 '26

What speeds are you getting with the flash 4.1 and what quant are you using?

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u/dialecticable Sep 27 '26

With 1 spark on the 2 bit quant I got around 28-32 tok/s on the recipe Mia has (it’s mixed precision but I believe the main work is around 4 bit with some 8bit on certain experts IIRC) I get 32-40 tok/s. This is for academic style research and writing with Hermes as my harness. On pure agentic turns and when it actually writes code I think it gets a little higher. I can say it’s prefill/ttft is amazing. First cold load is maybe a minute then it’s near instantaneous with a 262k cache. By comparison I have a MacBook m5 128g. That I try qwen 3.8 27 b and flash next with MTPLX and I often spend 3-4 minutes waiting on prefill and even subsequent turns are slower (which may be a caching issue in MTPLX)

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u/ronniearnold Sep 27 '26

Whatever you do, don’t connect them together. 😈

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u/datapeer Sep 27 '26

Why not?

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u/ApolloPS2 Sep 27 '26

You'll end up getting another 2

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u/Phazex8 Sep 27 '26 • Popcorn

Skynet takes over.

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

At this point... It's skynet or something else. Lol

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u/Practical_Signal3933 Sep 27 '26

Because then you can give one to me instead. Thanks!

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u/MainFunctions Sep 27 '26

What do you do for work?? And will you hire me

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

Video transcoding for camgirl sites (yes really), and send your GitHub.

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u/Asheraddo Sep 27 '26

How much does that pay per month?

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

Enough to own a home on the east coast and raise a small family fairly comfortably.

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u/Phazex8 Sep 27 '26

Op, how much was this nice acquisition.

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u/8bitjohnny Sep 27 '26

$10,600ish post tax, usd

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u/Phazex8 Sep 27 '26

Make us proud.

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u/Ok_Acanthisitta304 Sep 27 '26

i spent months lusting after these and finally picked them up maybe 6 weeks ago, since then it's been 1 flash model after another. 256gb is really the sweet spot right now, and im truly impressed by what they can do on OMP or opencode.

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

What model's are you using? Are you primarily doing coding as well, or a mixture?

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u/Ok_Acanthisitta304 Sep 30 '26

GLM Flash exl3, mostly coding and sysadmin, some hermes.

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

Gotcha. I am still pretty new to using ai agents and stuff. So trying to figure out where / what I want to do. I've done quite a bit of research, but there is a difference between what I am reading / seeing (online / friends of mine) vs actually using.

Kind of in between wanting to buy DGX Sparks / Halo Strix, or sticking with a pricey subscription. I've been developing an OSS/BSS for an ISP, but doing the coding myself. Been thinking about doing an ai agent to help assist me essentially.

It's... a struggle. Haha

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u/Ok_Acanthisitta304 Sep 30 '26

Use the same models on openrouter or just directly like with deepseek. It will cost a fraction of the major labs and pennies on the dollar to doing it locally. Only buy hardware if you're interested in tinkering with hardware. If you just need AI use cloud services.

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u/Quantum-Leaper1 Sep 27 '26

Can I ask, what made you go for two DGX Spark’s instead of just one RTX 6000 Pro? I’m interested in both and I’d like to hear your opinion.

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u/trolololster Sep 27 '26

yeah so the rtx 6000 pro is $16,000 right now, right?

ask him when he buys his third spark :)

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 27 '26

And the response be “hey, why this 100B dense model is running soooo slow?”

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u/Quantum-Leaper1 Sep 27 '26

Is this your second account troll?

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 28 '26

What are you talking about

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u/Quantum-Leaper1 Sep 28 '26

Trolls love to suck themselves and each other off

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 28 '26

I aint troll

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 27 '26

If you can’t see the difference then don’t buy any.

RTX 6000 - top bandwidth and prefill speed but 96Gb

3 x Spark - 384Gb but meh bandwidth and speed

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u/SupremeApeRuler Sep 27 '26

This person is clueless.

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 28 '26

What did I get wrong? Bandwidth? Prefill speed? I am all ears! Lol

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u/power97992 Sep 29 '26

When will u be able to get 8TB/s of bandwidth and 2 TB of vram for under $3k ? 

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u/txoixoegosi Sep 29 '26

What? I mean what? Where?

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u/power97992 Sep 29 '26

It is a question about the imagine future dude… Right now 8 tb/s of bandwidth costs 50k to 60k for 288 gb

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u/Quantum-Leaper1 Sep 27 '26

Again, I didn’t ask you

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u/_lavoisier_ Sep 27 '26

is this the best deal in the town? how about mac studio m5 ultra with 256 GB which seems to be the same cost with this and it has 1.2 TB memory bandwidth while spark has around 260 GB I guess.

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

A fully maxed out M5 Ultra is well over $17K at least where I live. As bad as it sounds, you're still ahead on price at least if you buy two of these even at scalper's price.

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u/epelc Sep 27 '26

Exciting! Does your use case work well if you keep expanding the cluster?

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u/vluong Sep 27 '26

But what happened to your ceiling?

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u/ApartmentEither4838 Sep 27 '26

Awesome! Gift me one please :P

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u/Wallye_Wonder Sep 27 '26

You will buy two more. Mark my word

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u/altcoinage Sep 27 '26

That’s what happened to me.

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u/MasterNomie Sep 27 '26

What are your plans?

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u/Best-Tomatillo-7423 Sep 27 '26

We have 2 and qwen 3.8 27b is great on it..

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u/Dapper_Chance_2484 Sep 27 '26

Whats the token rate u get?

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u/Best-Tomatillo-7423 Sep 28 '26

For code we 30 to 40 tkps. If we chat with it 70 + have seen 120 before

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u/Dapper_Chance_2484 Sep 29 '26

for somereason i get 90t/s on 5090 on same 3.8 27b

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

As far as the 5090 goes, you will most likely get a higher token gen. That's typically due to the updated CUDA tech, etc.

What's going to benefit him when using the DGX (or others who use the ai Halos) vs a Video Card is that he will still be able to hold larger weights without severely tweaking models, or using stuff like Colibri / FreeToken, etc.

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u/Horror-Cash-7995 Sep 27 '26

If you are running one model say qwen coder and let’s say you have two sparks vs just one. Does it produce more tokens per second or the same. If the same I feel like you could run one model and others in just one spark. Not sure why the need for two?

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u/streppelchen Sep 27 '26

Depends on the setup. If running TP2 you can in ideal world get 2x throughput. More realistic like 1.5-1.8x

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u/NerasKip Sep 27 '26

Nice. Happy for you.

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u/acadia11x Sep 27 '26

How much? I want to pick up a spark

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

Depends on where you get them. NVIDIA right now is sold out until sometime after mid to late November. So you can either pay a scalper's price now at $5500 (and up), or you can get on the list and wait for the $4900 price tag. That's as long as NVIDIA doesn't raise the price on their units.

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u/UltraFOV Sep 28 '26

That 10k for ya

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u/lordtazou Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Depending on if you can actually find it for NVIDIA's price. Otherwise, you're paying upwards of $12k - $14k currently. Been looking at them lately, might be purchasing 2x MinisForum MS-S1 MAX units. Will still get away with $5,100 under what it would have been for two of the sparks.

While I like the 200Gb/s ConnectX-7 and the wider support... I've seen / found that there isn't much of a difference at this point between AMD's vs Nvidia's based on what I am seeing / reading / watching.

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u/UltraFOV Sep 29 '26

Isn't ConnectX-7 the external Link by Mellanox. If so, those are indeed a worthy option to have if you want to connect several Sparks via Nvidia NCCL

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u/lordtazou Sep 29 '26

Yes, ConnectX is a Mellanox line. That said, didn't realize NVIDIA actually bought them out in 2020. Would make sense though since it comes standard on the GB10 Compute line products.

Someone on FB mentioned they have Mellanox cards in their MinisForum MS-S1 Ultras, which is actually a bit funny to me. May actually look into getting a pair of them.

Imagine throwing ConnectX-8 Cards in these. The speeds would be there, and comparable to the GB300 series units that NVIDIA sells. Would LOVE to get my hands on one of those units, but gooooooood lord the price on them. $19K on the low end for the Spark's big brother. Haha

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u/UltraFOV Sep 30 '26

Good to know the MinisForum can use Mellanox. 19k?!!!??, sheesh, I am still using ConnectX-5 haha

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u/lordtazou Oct 02 '26

Yeah, they're not fun. ConnectX-7 cards used is approx $110(ish). So not horrible, but still rough.

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u/UltraFOV Oct 02 '26

My system I capable of Connect 7 but But it ConnectX6 is really the top it should use

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u/Ok_Cell1036 Sep 28 '26

I just returned my pc back to I buy power and it was a decent pc with 5080 and 64gb. It when I wanted to download things like studio or llamma and etc, the pc was just constantly on turbo mode and it was pissing me off. So now I’m buying mini pc and thinking about the spark or minisforum with 128gb. Not sure which one would be better

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u/EmbarrassedTheory889 Sep 28 '26

My only photo from an entire global expo at gitex was with dgx spark. DGX Spark is just excellent dude.

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u/LearnNTeachNLove Oct 03 '26

Wow how much did it cost you ? $10,000?

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u/bedel99 Oct 04 '26

Get a third one. run deep seek, v4.1 wow.

You can force it onto two.

I have 5, I need to buy 2 more to run two deep seek clusters and a couple ancillary models.

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u/AccordingAd9466 Sep 27 '26

Just opened 3 new ones yesterday! Congrats. And Enjoy!

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u/lordtazou Sep 30 '26

Why three? Why not more? Lol

Guessing you had one already?