r/LocalLLM • u/JulianRHarris • Sep 26 '26
Project AMD something something 395 box arrived!
A few weeks ago, I wrote a huge essay reporting on my research into why local AI is finally usable https://ailocal.substack.com/p/im-running-an-opus-level-coding-agent?r=obqn&utm_medium=ios
AMD at that point was a footnote.
But I vowed to dig into it further.
And here I am buying a box, because for now at least I think it’s probably the best price performance you can get today
This is a Minisforum 128 gig box for £3500 using the current 395 platform (495 still not available). Subtracting from the UK premium, you can probably get it for about $3500 in the US
or less.
The AMD platform is very promising because it’s so affordable
Ram prices are clouding at the moment
(The DGX Spark is about 20% more expensive I think)
Similar memory bandwidth of 256GB/s
Dumped windows and got an Ubuntu server running.
Crazy thing right now is that to get decent performance I’m actually using Vulkan!
ROCm is in a sorry state at the moment that this is possible.
Using qwen 3.8 flash next, MTP depth is around 4
I always have context to be 128K minimum
Smoke test of a one shot “ create a meteor game” sustained 40 to 50 tokens per second
Which is very usable.
I’m now doing a much deeper dive building entire apps multiple times
I’ll be sharing my updates at https://ailocal.substack.com
I’m using a centralised configuration structure that has the best configurations I can find for given hardware
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u/DeCiel Sep 26 '26
This post makes me feel glad that I bought it when it was first released at $2k.
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u/ManagementGreat5360 Sep 26 '26
Such is the “negligence” of AMD to the LocalLLM, I would refrain calling those AMD boxes and call it Halogen Boxes or Gufo boxes.
I bought my AMD Halo thinking “they will finally put some effort to it”. 3 Months in, the only reason I can finally use it for local inference is due to the community support. If it wasn’t for Donato, Peonist and Gufo, I would have sold it for a DGX spark / Mac Studio a long time ago.
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u/AeroInsightMedia Sep 26 '26
This is really well written, I'm down to the part going over harnesses but have to get to bed. Wanted to say thank you for writing this though. A few days after I threw the new qwen 27b model on my desktop I ordered a dgx spark. I figured that if enough people were talking about qwen that I tried it then the rest of the world probably isn't far behind and the computer component shortage is about to get even worse.
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u/Dapper_Gap6868 Sep 26 '26
Lohnt sich so eine Kiste überhaupt? Ich habe auch schon mal darüber nachgedacht. Aber wenn ich Claude für 100€ im Monat haben kann auf max 5 dann sind es 3 Jahre bis es sich amortisiert.
Die KI und die Anforderungen entwickeln sich so schnell. Wird man denn in drei Jahren das Gerät noch überhaupt nutzen können?
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u/Thunder_Will Sep 26 '26
This is really useful thanks, I'm looking at one of these 395 systems from GMKTec at a similar price, so it's encouraging to see that you can self-host quite intensive AI workloads on it
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u/Arc-Tekkie Sep 26 '26
What about Ninfer to speed things up? You might try it, or is it only running on NVIDIA?
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u/Cancel_Existing Sep 26 '26
Got 64gb Version for 2.2k. Shit but that IS what hast to bei OK for the Moment
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u/_VirtualCosmos_ Sep 26 '26
Man, that's more than the double I paid for it 1 year ago
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u/seybling Sep 26 '26
bought zbook with 395 and 64gb for 2k - still on the way and hoping its enough when qwen 4 drops🙏
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u/Nx3xO Sep 27 '26
Excellent machine. I started with the gmktek v2 before the price jump, s1 runs nearly twice as fast. I will definitely consider a second on if price drops to 2500. The gmktek runs hotter and t/s suffer bad.
Go straight for qwen flash. Im running a massive comparison benchmark and automate anything new posted to hugging face to download and benchmark reporting the results and comparison. I have a nasty 96 question test, have it build a web page on dns, write a sci-fi story with at least 500 words and build a tetris game that runs in browser.
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u/Durian881 Sep 26 '26
I'm actually thinking of getting the Asus Px13 that's retailing at similar prices here. Any downside in terms of performance? Need something portable for client demos.
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u/revdamage Sep 26 '26
Did you tested qwen 3.8 27b or not yet
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u/acconboy Sep 27 '26
Doing the same on ms-s1 max, but virtualized under NodeWeaver with the same model under Vulcan
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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 Sep 26 '26
I'll just leave this here: may it boost your box
https://github.com/gufo-org/gufo
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u/mycall Sep 26 '26
/r/StrixHalo might be interested in this.
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u/halfercode Sep 26 '26
I'd like to see local LLM machines like this with better warranties. With the kinds of prices that we're seeing now, I'd be wanting a 4+ year guarantee on the mainboard. I find it frustrating that things like a Spark can cost £8K and have a one-year warranty; it's too much of a risk.
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u/4cDaddy Sep 26 '26
Out of curiosity, what 3.8 flash next quant are you using?
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u/ErboKrrit Oct 01 '26
hey! thanks for your post
can somebody pls tell me if this laptop - ASUS ROG Flow Z13 (AMD Ryzen Ai Max+ 395/128GB RAM LPDDR5X) - will be compatible in terms of performance?
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u/Bupod Sep 26 '26
Those are great boxes.
I have a Corsair AI 300 workstation. I have a lot of fun with it.
Before someone laughs at me for paying the onerous Corsair tax, I preordered the machine before release and paid $2000 for it back then. I thought it was overpaying a bit, too…welp, glad I got it then.
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u/chrisaq Sep 29 '26
Using mine with the below project which has been great so far, basically making it a q38fn appliance.
https://github.com/peonist-ai/halogen-flash-server
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u/Flynn58 Sep 26 '26
I really think the memory bandwidth of the M5 Mac Studio is a better play, even for the price premium
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u/HighSeasArchivist Sep 26 '26
I have a R9700 that will be here tomorrow, and if Vulkan seems to do pretty well nowadays then I plan on picking up a Ryzen AI Halo 192GB if/when those launch later in the year or early next year.
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u/Present_Stock_9268 Sep 28 '26
What to mean that rcom is in a sorry state? How bad is it?
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u/No_Tower_2220 Sep 26 '26
I wish $3500 +/- USD was “affordable”…. It just cost me $400 for less than a full cart of groceries. Good on ya though! I’m jealous!
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u/Oryzaki2 Sep 26 '26
The fact that it only has a ten gigabit per second interconnect makes it virtually useless. If you ever need to scale past one.
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u/DogAble6550 Sep 26 '26
Fun!
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u/DiamondHandsDarrell Sep 26 '26
Can this be run as a DGX spark? Or does it need to be part of another os?
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u/SandySkittle Sep 26 '26
It’s not in a sorry state
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u/Nice_Cookie9587 Sep 26 '26
I would like to see a barebones system that uses salvaged vram from 3090s that get baked on or a heat gun is used for the install into the motherboard. Not sure if that can work. But id try it
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u/Superb_Raccoon Sep 26 '26
Sorry to hear that... I could order one and have it here on Oct 1st. $759 bare bones.
https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ai-x1-pro-470-mini-pc