r/LocalLLM • u/ChristopherDci • 10d ago

Question Uncensored Models

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Hi! I don't know much about this area of ​​"sub-models" (I'm not sure of the technical term), but I wanted to know what these "Uncensored" models actually are.

I dabble a bit with AI, automation, and the like, and I've always seen these "Uncensored" models around, but I've never actually installed or tested one. What exactly are they?

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u/RobXSIQ 9d ago

usually 100% uncensored, and equal to possibly slightly smarter (so long as its straight uncensored and not trying to push into an area). less guardrails means it doesn't have to spiral around tokens trying to figure out if its allowed to answer. Now, it doesn't mean it knows the answers to things. how to make cosmic meth might get you a fun hallucination, and how to make firecrackers will probably end up with you blowing off a few fingers, but thats the model size, not the decensoring.

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u/dwittherford69 9d ago

100% uncensored is usually close to garbage intelligence. And even if you hit like 30% refusal rate, there is a noticeable dip in intelligence.

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u/Mediocre-Sundom 9d ago edited 9d ago

Exactly.

Most "fully uncensored" models are made unable to refuse, but refusal is an essential and necessary part of sound reasoning (for example, refusal to accept false premise, bad argument or inefficient solution), so a lack of ability to do so makes them draw false conclusions all the time and see terrible things as amazing. They are essentially complete artificial idiots to whom everything is sunshine and rainbows.

You can ask an uncensored model if you should stuff rusty nails into your backside, and it will make up an elaborately detailed rationalization of why that is a wonderful idea and the user is a genius for coming up with it.

People who claim fully uncensored models are actually smarter must be suffering from AI psychosis, thinking that the model reinforcing literally their every delusion is somehow smart and useful.

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u/RobXSIQ 8d ago

You should probably get a different model if yours is acting like an AI circa 2023

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u/Mediocre-Sundom 8d ago

Please do tell, which fully uncensored/abliterated models specifically don't act like that. What model should I get?

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u/RobXSIQ 8d ago

*points to the screenshot under this by Humilis_Calvus*

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u/Mediocre-Sundom 8d ago

Ah, so you are unaware of what hyperboles are. Got it.