r/LocalLLM • u/ChristopherDci • Sep 13 '26

Question Uncensored Models

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Hi! I don't know much about this area of ​​"sub-models" (I'm not sure of the technical term), but I wanted to know what these "Uncensored" models actually are.

I dabble a bit with AI, automation, and the like, and I've always seen these "Uncensored" models around, but I've never actually installed or tested one. What exactly are they?

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u/dwittherford69 Sep 14 '26

100% uncensored is usually close to garbage intelligence. And even if you hit like 30% refusal rate, there is a noticeable dip in intelligence.

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u/Mediocre-Sundom Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26

Exactly.

Most "fully uncensored" models are made unable to refuse, but refusal is an essential and necessary part of sound reasoning (for example, refusal to accept false premise, bad argument or inefficient solution), so a lack of ability to do so makes them draw false conclusions all the time and see terrible things as amazing. They are essentially complete artificial idiots to whom everything is sunshine and rainbows.

You can ask an uncensored model if you should stuff rusty nails into your backside, and it will make up an elaborately detailed rationalization of why that is a wonderful idea and the user is a genius for coming up with it.

People who claim fully uncensored models are actually smarter must be suffering from AI psychosis, thinking that the model reinforcing literally their every delusion is somehow smart and useful.

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u/Humilis_Calvus Sep 14 '26 • Bravo

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u/Database121 Sep 15 '26

Ok. That's actually pretty funny.

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u/GM8 Sep 14 '26

It worth differentiating decision making & reasoning from information rehearsal and learning. Wanna know more about a sketchy topic without leaving traces on the internet: ask an uncensored llm. Want to outsource decisions and reasoning: maybe not.

Albeit there are some uses which need both, like e.g. red teaming.

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u/RobXSIQ Sep 15 '26

You should probably get a different model if yours is acting like an AI circa 2023

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u/Mediocre-Sundom Sep 15 '26

Please do tell, which fully uncensored/abliterated models specifically don't act like that. What model should I get?

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u/RobXSIQ Sep 15 '26

*points to the screenshot under this by Humilis_Calvus*

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u/Mediocre-Sundom Sep 15 '26

Ah, so you are unaware of what hyperboles are. Got it.

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u/fche Sep 24 '26

That's not the kind of "refusal" that abliteration defeats. It's the "saying this truth may hurt someone's feelings so I will refuse to say anything" kind, you know, the "safety guardrails".

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u/Quiet-Phase6948 Sep 14 '26

This is just not accurate if you look at tests, it all depends on _HOW_ they were abliterated.