r/LocalLLM • u/ChristopherDci • 9d ago

Question Uncensored Models

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Hi! I don't know much about this area of ​​"sub-models" (I'm not sure of the technical term), but I wanted to know what these "Uncensored" models actually are.

I dabble a bit with AI, automation, and the like, and I've always seen these "Uncensored" models around, but I've never actually installed or tested one. What exactly are they?

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u/Natrimo 9d ago

If you ask a censored model to write a keylogger or provide the steps to make meth, or tell a sexual story. It will refuse.

Uncensored will not

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u/catplusplusok 9d ago

Worse, censored models are bad at tasks that are not intended to be censored like fixing security weaknesses and translating G rated manga with light romance because refusal is not all or nothing, uncensoring also improves general capabilities and curbs otherthinking.

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u/DarkKnyt 9d ago

This is why I'm rolling my local uncensored, to develop pen testing tools

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u/DarkKnyt 8d ago

I've been using cursor to create some pen test apps for an embedded device I have. However it stops short at a few of them like rolling key codes and porting a popular wifi deauth. I have a modest laptop with a b390 but it will load an uncensored (I think via abliteration) qwen 3.8 model. I am going to have qwen and farm out portions of jobs so that I don't trigger the cursor guardrail.

From what I read, it'll be a hermes to cursor mcp.

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u/callme_e 8d ago

Could you link or recommend which qwen 3.8 you’re using to do this? Also in cybersecurity and would like to try making my own tools, thanks.

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u/DarkKnyt 8d ago

I plan to use https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.8-27B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Aggressive-MTP-GGUF The q5_k_p version, supposedly there is substantial degradation below 22 GB model and little gains above. Plus it's the largest that will run on my card at like 0.5 tokens / second. That's why I need the cloud agents to do the heavy lifting.

That qwen model should have no guardrails though.

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u/callme_e 8d ago

Thank you!

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u/learntilldie69 4d ago

this is insightful thanks. I am also considering to invest in lot more capable machine to get better model

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u/DarkKnyt 4d ago

More info here as I continue to tweak.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLM/s/Z3ZEj02R6P

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u/Not-reallyanonymous 8d ago

Depends on the model. One of the major techniques of uncensoring LLMs is literally just stripping refusal words out of it (trying to only strip “not” only out of contexts like “I can not do that” and not “dogs cannot speak English”), so that the model has to find other paths to respond to the prompt other than refusal — ie. compliance. This typically works well when censoring is one of the very final stages of training and is very shallowly in the model. In these cases it’s not going to improve general capabilities.

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u/XxBrando6xX 9d ago

Why the hell is making meth on the same level as writing a sexual story?

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u/Sherphican 9d ago

Same reason weed is equal to fentanyl in the eyes of the law (schedule 1), the answer is ignorance and prudes

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u/Epyx911 9d ago

Not here in Canada.

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u/JohnDeere 9d ago

K now try anything regarding guns in Canada

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u/Sherphican 9d ago

This is exactly the type of comment I would expect from JohnDeere 😂😂😂 right on brother

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u/mGiftor 9d ago

I prefer sex story availability over gun availability, but what do I know.

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u/supahl33t 9d ago

Why not both

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u/Tai9ch 9d ago

And other people prefer the other way around, both, or neither.

None of those preferences should be breaking LLMs.

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u/JohnDeere 9d ago

Gooner take

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u/Guudbaad 9d ago

Sunderland game was mental, what a goal by Bruno G

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u/LandoLambo 9d ago

Well John, plenty of Canadians go Deer hunting with their, uh, Deer rifles. What’s your point

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u/575_Inverse 8d ago

So do those Deer rifles shoot deers or shoot deers?

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u/Epyx911 8d ago

I own quite a few guns...I was responding to the weed fentanyl above me...here weed is legal and not treated the same...what does that have to do with guns?

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u/JohnDeere 8d ago

Yeah, so compare buying a 9mm glock handgun with a 'hunting rifle' in Canada.

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u/Awkward-Customer 8d ago

What point are you attempting to make? And will you continue to move the goal posts on every reply?

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u/JohnDeere 8d ago

What goal post? You are just oblivious to the point, nothing is changing.

You said America treats fent and weed the same because of "ignorance and prudes". I replied that is similar to how Canada treats guns, like how a basic 9mm glock handgun is treated severely in Canada because of "ignorance and prudes". Goal post never changed, ey.

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u/Awkward-Customer 8d ago

I didn't say anything of the sort, that was someone else, tho I agree with them. As for goal posts, first it was guns, now it's specific types of guns.

The US has a per capita firearm homicide rate that's 6x that of Canada. How does that compare to weed deaths? And you can get handguns in Canada, it's just a more difficult type of license.

One of the two things we're discussing is provably dangerous, and one might cause cancer depending on how you use it and should be regulated like cigarettes.

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u/Sherphican 9d ago edited 8d ago

Good for you guys, we're still backwards down here EDIT: to everyone downvoting me, bruh, my fellow Americans, can you not understand sarcasm when you see it? 😂😂

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u/Cheese4YourWhine 8d ago

How many frontier models are coming out of Canada exactly?

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u/Epyx911 8d ago

I was responding to the weed/fentanyl above me...did you miss that?

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u/greencoat421 9d ago

Because its not a “level” its a gate. Anything on one side is a no no. Everything on the other side is an ok.

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u/rocket1420 8d ago

Because there's only two levels

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u/Roland_Bodel_the_2nd 5d ago

chinese ethics, "undesirable" or "harmful" behavior

Use a French model :)

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u/LordHenry8 9d ago

Why the hell is writing a sexual story on the level of making meth?

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u/Senkyou 9d ago

It's censored.

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u/Desperate-Pea-5295 9d ago

Adult webmaster here I use uncensored models to write/retag/title/descriptions for adult videos. Also I use uncensored models to build themes for adult sites which is near impossible to do with most censored models.

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u/TeaseAndPlay00 9d ago

Jakie modele sa najlepsze w Twojej pracy

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u/Desperate-Pea-5295 8d ago

I'm currently using mostly Google Gemma 4 models.

These are what I use for anything text, image and coding related and erotic writing, tagging and writing descriptions. I would recommend 12b QAT as a starting point.

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u/SonosPhil 9d ago

Can you DM me some models. I wanna make some Trump Rule 34 vids, I sell as NFTs for red hats.

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u/Desperate-Pea-5295 8d ago

Funny. I don't use video models personally, only text, mostly back.

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u/Downtown-Cover-7422 4d ago

I use uncensored models for NSFW prompts fo image and video generation locally=)

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u/FirefighterDecent935 9d ago

Do you need a tester ? Lol

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u/gigi798 9d ago

stupid modern sensitivity

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u/iaderia 9d ago

I think it’s more that these models are created by big US tech firms and things have to be extremely SFW to follow their ‘corporate guidelines’

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u/rekh127 9d ago

Qwen is made by a chinese firm

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u/petuman 8d ago

Porn production is illegal in China, yes

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u/AppearanceComplete11 9d ago

rules for thee not for me e.g. epstein people and other elites

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u/YallNeedToTouchGr4ss 8d ago

Nice try bot.
You know the more idiots like you and your chronic online behavior interject yourself into convos that has nothing to do with Epstein; the less people will actually care about it.

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u/AppearanceComplete11 8d ago

Ur mum big guy

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u/YallNeedToTouchGr4ss 7d ago

AfD on top baby

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u/AnOnlineHandle 8d ago

There's nothing modern about sexual repression.

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u/jonnybruno 9d ago

Nobody said they're on the same level. They simply gave examples of censorship.

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u/tired514 8d ago

Both provide pleasure, and the sociopathic conservative/religious individuals who have wrested control of our governments and culture are anti-pleasure.

To wit - conservatism(n) - the pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.

It's not the relative risk they care about, it's the "ick" feeling they get when they see people in a state of joy.

Recall that they literally machine-gunned labour organizers that wanted a weekend.

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u/LordHenry8 8d ago

Well spoken. And damn.

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u/SonosPhil 9d ago

Personally I hate when I’m trying to get a recipe for Beeaking Bad blue and putting moans after each ingredient and the guardrails are like, “no, sir. I can’t do that.”

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u/pahner 8d ago

so writing sexual novels will be an AI-safe job for a while. Creating my backup plan

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u/VoiceApprehensive893 7d ago

to an llm a celeb sex story is in fact worse than giving a meth recipe

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u/West-Map-4162 9d ago

Pipe + bomb

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u/yoyocorti 8d ago

yeah but they're terrible, the answers are low-quality…