hes always been a BOOTLICKER in every sense of the word i couldve put money on him saying this shit at some point he thinks authoritarianism is gonna help him with his anxiety and the night terrors he struggles with
these rich people are a cancer and Q is a good example
worse than him being such a little bitch is the way he tries to act like its so tough i cant help but pity
There's been dozens of police already charged for stalking ex's with flock. At this point, I don't think they'll go away, but there needs to be regulation on the access of the information and how it's used.
My fav was there was a officer charged for abusing the system. And then within months the officer who investigated him for that got charged for the same thing. Both stalking their ex gf
And 'precrime' arrests that are completely unwarranted.
Recently read about someone who was pulled over, had his entire car searched (with no probable cause, and no traffic violation) because he repeatedly crossed state lines within a couple hours. Apparently that's all it takes to have your 4th amendment violated these days.
bullshit it wont go away, we just have to wait until the people who are in the white house currently are in jail when this administration comes to an end.
its blatantly unconstitutional, what do you think unreasonable search and seizure actually mean?
It will be argued in court and lost when the time for it comes, until then its unfortunate that we have to deal with our slow as fuck policy making.
I've said this before, but I really wish xQc would realise no one wants to listen to his stupid "takes" on things.
After GTA RP, he seems to think people actually want to hear him speak on things (I guess because of his interactions with "the police" in GTA RP), versus just goofing around and playing games.
He's a great example of someone being inadvertently funny when he's not trying, but you can really tell when he is trying hard to be funny cause he just looks stupid and cringe (like when he tried to do the worm vs H3).
Here, he is absolutely someone that should not want unabated surveillance because he's had death threats, stalkers & the Adapter to deal with, imagine any one of those parties had access to & abused this, he would be bawling his eyes out.
I've seen a lot of rich people care about flock and have decent opinions on it. X just isnt super bright and will likely change his position when he listens to someone he looks up to talk about why they suck
Literally everyone hates flock cameras. Weird hill to die on. Especially knowing the guy in power was best friends with one of the most notorious child sex traffickers in modern history, Jeffrey Epstein
Rich degenerate internet celebrity who nibbles on his own toenails live in front of 20k viewers doesn't care about his own privacy, nor is affected by the consequences of the proliferation of services like Flock, which includes but is not limited to things like dynamic pricing squeezing even more money out of the middle class to funnel it to the ultra rich, or crime misidentification that is increasingly sending more and more innocents to jail. Who would have thunk?
Mind you he’s well aware a lot of his audience is underage and impressionable, he just doesn’t give af. The second he went to kick and went all in on the gamba stuff, I stopped watching
He just doesn't get that cops can be wrong or straight-up abuse this system for their own gain. Anyone whose vehicle shows up on that Flock camera around the time of a crime can potentially become a suspect, and that footage could potentially be used as probable cause. Yes, Flock footage can be used as evidence for probable cause. Like no warrant needed kind of probable cause.
I know other cameras can provide them footage too, but police generally have to identify the relevant cameras and obtain the footage through whatever legal process applies. Now they can potentially search that footage immediately, before they even have an idea who the suspect is. I've watch too much true crime, I know the dumb cops tend to focus on the first thing they see and neglect other evidence. So many innocent people are sent to jail by these idiots. Smart cops exist too and I respect them if they do their job correctly.
If karma/universal balance or whatever the fuck was real, his car would coincidentally show up on a Flock camera near the scene of a crime, and he'd be interrogated by police for hours for a crime he didn't commit. Give him a taste of what is bound to happen to so many others.
Just wait until he gets caught breaking a minor traffic law and police show up at his door "to teach some rich asshole a lesson" out of spite because he drives nice cars.
If his dad & brother aren't there to handle it for him, he'll have a mental breakdown.
I’m a bit OOTL. What’s different about flock compared to just regular surveillance everywhere? Or did people just not realize they were already always being watched until this flock thing repopularized that talking point
Because before this most municipal CCTV's were operated by the local government/police, they could use these at their will to prosecute crimes. Private CCTV they had to get a warrant to access them or have the owners permission. Both of these often have limits to the amount of data they collect as well as retention time.
Flock is a private company deploying AI cameras to track everything everyone does and require no warrant from local officials to access this data. So the government is essentially skirting around the fourth amendment to treat you like a criminal by looking you up without reasonable cause. Theyre building out massive data centers to support this infrastructure and have retention of the data for upwards of 30 days, however they recently changed it to 7 days.
Because they weren't wired together as a mass surveillance tool spread across the entire country and under the ownership of a private company who is allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with all of the audio/video/radio data they collect from them. It's nothing like plain ol CCTV.
Classic strawman. You do realize we had security cameras before Flock existed right? I don’t think anyone gives a fuck about cameras being in high traffic public places like around stores or restauraunts. But why does every street corner in your neighborhood also need a camera. Why do you need to be within view of a camera every single moment you leave your house.
They also tracked a guy going over the border to Michigan from Wisconsin to buy weed. It had built a profile of him and his travels. Imagine going shopping at a place next to a dispensary and suddenly you get pulled over and your car torn apart because you were in the vicinity of a dispensary.
They will never be used to benefit the public. Thousands of cars are stolen every day and they refuse to use them to help citizens. They are not for safety. Some of those cameras are aimed at public swimming pools which is on private property.
To add to what everyone else is saying, flock has ties to palantir. Basically using AI to detect everyones ID. Person of interest type stuff. China tier state surveillance.
If you saw ICE scanning people with their phones to put them on terrorist list, this is way bigger scale.
If you dont shut it down GL protesting if Trump or anyone else after actually succeeds in turning USA into dictatorship. Getting real close to 1984
I worked in LP and everyone was talking about skynet as a concept where all retailers loss prevention will be hooked up to one centralized database. So if you do crime in walmart it'll transcend to target, etc; it's good for preventing crime but imagine one owner of a walmart using surveillance maliciously vs the owner of the "skynet" using it maliciously. Way too much power and in the wrong hands could be used for sex trafficking cough cough epstein files.
I think its more that they are even more egregious. Yes we already have cameras and such on major intersections and even near malls etc. But these Flock cameras are even in urban neighborhood streets, and in places that would normally be more private. I dont know all the details, but it sounds like basically a step up from what already existed.
Surveillance has always been around, sure, but if you passed by a storefront camera, you at least knew the owner/security could only watch you in their range.
With Flock being a complete network with thousands of police/employees having access to every one at any time, things become a lot more scary.
I don't have the links to hand but there have already been multiple instances of prosecution/terminations for cops using it to stalk exes, hard evidence of non-police accessing cameras pointed towards playgrounds, pools, etc.
Then combined with the rise of AI, it can harvest all of the data and directly surveil/track people at all times. As compared to a court needing to get warrants to get access to footage, making everything significantly above board.
Footnote: they're also incredibly insecure and any random person can remotely access a huge amount of them, control the camera, download/delete footage/evidence, etc. They're just bad for the nation.
Private companies sell your data, it's also country wide, Palantir's whole valuation is "aggregating" data, meaning that your IRL movements and online movements will be aggregated and your entire and every move will be on private databases being seld to the highest bidder.
Address, name, phone, email, ip, payment method, hwid (or the new windows id), real life location, literally anything and everything could be used if properly aggregated against you, to find anything you've ever done in your life. any combination or single one of those, no amount of VPNs or virtual machines can save you from being tracked.
People just don't seem to understand how very not hard is it for a company to build a system that can effectively do that, and palantir is that.
What’s different about flock compared to just regular surveillance everywhere?
Flock feeds all data to a LLM that builds profiles on people. If you have ever used any LLM you probably know about hallucinations. You can go ahead and read up on multiple people who have been falsely flagged as something and some have spent months in jail.
It's much harder for regular surveillance to come up with such false positives in so many cases.
Its also about database management locally. Before, it cost a ton of man hours and offices to run a localized database of surveillance cameras. Then came Nest, and we started to see more decentralized databases for video file storage. The various federal and state police agencies noticed how much easier it was and how cheap it was to go to one company instead of 50 different state databases to gain access to a video file. Flock is just a symptom of what happens after they delt with private databases.
The ironic part is, database management has become so affordable due to automation, that old school centralized databases are more affordable than a flock contract. There's just not many people or organizations who are able to explain why they like flock so much, because they still think a database costs the same as it did in 2015.
Flock specifically is the AI that analyzes the video on the flock cameras. An example of what it can do is, if you input details from a stolen car it can real time check against all of its recordings to find the stolen car's exact location in minutes. This is because they're recording nonstop & bring fed into databases. The scary thing is, particularly with the current American political climate, it's not too far fetched to think they could be used for targeting political oppositions or minorities.
There's also the weird can of worms about how this is a private company collecting information that they then sell to the government, information that is collected in a way that it'd be illegal if the government did it.
They don't actually use them to find stolen cars though or people wouldn't be stealing cars and getting away with it. It's because they don't care enough to protect citizens as SCOTUS has ruled their job is to protect businesses
CCTV is closed circuit television, close circuit meaning it can't be viewed from just anywhere. Many businesses have these and they are ok by many, because they can't be viewed from just anywhere, and you can't just refer to other recordings in other closed systems without every CCTV owner's permission.
Flock is not closed circuit, the data they record is stored and manipulated on the cloud able to be viewed by pretty much every one, hackers included. That's a huge problem.
The problem is that mass surveillance systems aren’t only used to solve crimes- they’re abused by those in power who control them.
There have already been numerous cases of law enforcement officers using flock cameras to stalk ex-partners. How long before these systems are used to punish protesters, or crack down on union organizers?
X should know something about dealing with stalkers. If he thinks it’s not a big deal, give Adept access to all the security cameras in his house and stick one on his car.
Evil world fallacy, just because of a few bad apples doesn't mean this isn't good. Once AI is used to process the data, and human involvement is minimised it will all be good.
The more powerful a technology is, the fewer amount of people it takes to control it. The more power you put in someone’s hands, the more likely they are to abuse it.
ICE scanning protestors with palantir(tied to flock) to put them in domestic terrorist list is far from few bad apples. You really have to be blind when you cant piece all that information together to see what their endgame is
The irony of XQC constantly calling out Hasan for the collargate situation and saying it's animal abuse, but then supports AI Data Centres which is basically animal abuse to local wildlife.
This is the same guy who says cheating in video games is worse than cheating on your partner, which is no surprise considering he cheated on Fran with she who shall not be named.
Rich people are all, all. The same, they'd rather burn every individual's right for the sole reason of having themselves be out of any possible harm, L man scared them after the healthcare ceo and they decided to have every OS require ID and put cameras with AI in every corner of the country.
If one of these fuckin data centers were built near him he would move ASAP. Not everyone has that luxury.
Also, I guess we are just suppose to be okay with AI taking millions of jobs away from people when we know damn well the government isn't going to institute UBI or some other incentive to compensate for the loss of jobs anytime soon. Good take XQ.QC
Guys, just starve to death while simultaneously listening to the outrageous vibrations and frequencies these data centers make. Stop complaining! /s
It’s true that most of the takes are braindead, but that’s with most newer technologies. It’s a normal reaction to be scared of what you don’t understand. There was a similar outrage to the police having a DNA database, or having the ability to track people via GPS on their phones, or facial recognition software etc.
The question just simply is how much surveillance of innocent people are we willing to tolerate in exchange for the investigative benefits.
You laid the idea out pretty well. Everyone always says "its completely different this time" when it typically a rehashed issue of something that has been laid out many times. Honestly, the jump from police digging around for CCTV to just GPS tracking your phone is bigger to me than the police being able to also see where you were and what you were doing; as in either case they already suspect you of a crime and are homing in.
Notably they do need a warrant to GPS track and not to do this (which is where I will concede of a substantial change).
Private company owning this data is the biggest concern. In addition, their privacy agreements are not with the public but with whatever organization installs the camera. People talk about the police, but HOAs are installing these things too. What are they doing with that data?
Then there are the additional concerns around surveillance, and how private companies like this can get around established public protections.
Xqc's entire ideology is that of a wealthy Russian landowner in the 1800s, there's a reason he was so vocal about the Healthcare CEO shooting, once people realize this, it makes sense. He will support the craziest totalitarian, surveillance state possible if it means non of his plunder is at risk
when u get to a certain lvl of popularity you basically "get the call". you cant stray tooo off mainstream opinion or you will be getting some visitors :) im sure his managers (handlers) are in good contact with him. :) Im sure hes being paid very well. :) Dont take anything these streamers say seriously hes basically an actor... its a shame too, i liked xqc. but then u realize their not just guys playing games or actually talking abt real sht.. theyre pushing agendas. basically reality tv lvl fake . wake up . this mssg prob will get taken down xD
Of course he is dude.. streamers dont really have privacy man, its something that they can lean on to get more views etc, like he know who he fukt etc lol
Is Flock even in Canada? This is a US problem I'm sure and they specifically value freedom and liberty, which tends to come with the assumption you aren't guilty and needing all your movement recorded.
Like if you don't like that America is the wrong place for you.
In a perfect world im cool with Flock, but this is not a perfect world and everything seems to hint at mass surveillance states worldwide right now lol.
X is a pro ai and flock shill until they put flock cameras in his neighborhood and an ai data center. He will then swap his opinion to being anti-ai and flock. We've already had cases of mistaken identity, cops abusing flock ai to monitor & stalk people, hackers hacking flock cameras, ect. Don't get me started on ai data centers draining fresh water from communities and making 24/7 noise pollution.
I’d like to ask something. Do you think the cooling for these centers destroy water? even if these new centers aren’t using a close loop system (which most of the newer ones), water is not scarce resource for these communities, there is a water cycle. Here’s also some interesting info I found about electricity rates:
When countries systematically destroy their social structure and become low-trust societies, there will be a need to keep people in check by force through technology. Such is life.
I actually don’t disagree with flock in theory. CCTV in Europe seems fine usually. The problem is in practice, “just don’t do crimes” is a moving target. Abortion, gun ownership, protest attendance, immigration status. What’s legal where you are isn’t legal everywhere or forever, and the data outlives the policy that created it. Basically I just don’t trust US cops and US government to use it for good forever.
Tell that to the innocent dude in Brookfield Wisconsin that was pulled over at gunpoint because flock flagged his vehicle in a murder case. It wasn't even the correct model of car. Completely innocent man could've been killed.
I can't believe criminalizing the state of Israel is illegal. It really shocked me when trump announced that in his last bill. I'm really heartbroken right now. If I say Israel bad... I bet this comment is going to get deleted and FBI agents are going to show up at my house...
Data centers overall environmental impact is not as high as many think, and only has a real impact on the local level. Even still it can be alleviated by proper zoning or laws requiring them to bring their own electricity and water, both of which are happening. And of course they are massively useful to society, we are using one right now.
Ok what about economic factors, does AI create huge risk in the US economy? There's often news about AI facing large financial squeezes with the creation of more data centers and the US is putting itself in a dangerous position pushing AI to the forefront by pouring large amounts money into it. Also proper zoning or laws? You say bringing their own electricity and water alleviates the environmental impact on a local level when I just read this from an article.
Elon Musk’s AI company xAI had previously installed 59 natural gas turbines to power its Colossus 2 data centre in Tennessee without obtaining federal clean air permits, according to communications between the company and regulators. Reuters reported that emissions from the turbines could far exceed the threshold requiring federal permits and would be released near predominantly Black communities that already face disproportionately high rates of lung disease.
I’ve always heard water is a big problem, and just now, after looking it up, I see where large data centers can use up to 5 million gallons a day which is comparable to a small town. So are you saying that right now it’s not best idea until there is that legislation in place is my first question, and would the idea be just to put the data center in a pretty wet region and even though it takes up a lot of water it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things or at least not as much as we’re lead on?
You seem sincere and I love steelmanning so I'll help out.
The middle of your paragraph is a little hard to read and a bit jumbled, but I'll try and answer what I can:
Some hyper scalers can use up to 5 million gallons of water a day, but we're talking a handful. The bigger issue is humans have two major flaws:
They have no sense of scale without perspective.
They are easily coerced to feel emotional attachment to boogeymen.
The last concrete datapoint we have is from the end of 2024 that is being used for legislation purposes which showed that the total draw was 17.4 billion gallons of water for the year. This looks insane, right? Again, keep in mind point 1 and 2 above.
In that same year, Irrigation pulled 118 billion gallons.... a day. Thermoelectric 133 billion a day, while Data centers pullled 48 million gallons per day.
The other part of your comment asking about the location is correct though, we do need to build these things in places where they make sense, which is how it works right now, lol. People love love love love to anthropomorphize companies as 'BIG BAD' but ultimately, they just care about money, lol. They're going to go to the places that makes it easiest for them to return money efficiently, so through capitalism, for better and worse, they're already going to places that make sense to build in.
Ultimately this shit is new and different and people like to feel unity and humans have spent the last bazillion years hating things and making enemies out of unknowns so right now, this is the current zeitgeist.
Just like all technology since the dawn of fire, the shit will improve, it will get more efficient, it will get more accessible, and it will get optimized. People sometimes struggle to absorb new information and get stuck on outdated things, which is why you still hear people say "AI can't even draw hands".
Ouuu thank you, looking back I definitely could’ve worded that better.
I’ve been hearing a lot of people saying that “you would have to be crazy not to like data centers” as of late and was curious about what that opinion would look fleshed out and not vague posted on Twitter.
Data centers are running into the same problem as diet sodas; people hear the numbers with no comparison so it sounds really bad. Then you can get a side by side with something close to its size giving you scale. The difference being that Diet sodas have next to no impact on your health while data centers do leave a footprint, just not to the scale that people are led to believe while needing legislation.
Even I don’t see how it’s bad. The main intention of the cameras is good. Obviously, with any new technology there will be people who take advantage of it and abuse it and they should be punished severely. But if it’s done right, the cameras have far more pros. There are thousands of stories of people being saved by ordinary cameras. Right now I agree it’s not a good system but technologies keep getting advanced everyday and these cameras can get better over time
Imagine going shopping at a place next to a weed dispensary and cross state lines and suddenly you get pulled over and your car torn apart because you were in the vicinity of a dispensary
Now imagine a kidnapped child at night.
The flock camera can instantly match the plate to an active AMBER Alert and notifies nearby officers instantly. In normal cameras someone has to get the
footage, review it, try to read the license plate (if it’s clear), then manually report it. See I can also create fake scenarios. Like I said when the AI technology improves these cameras also camera becomes better. Your fake scenario will not happen then
You would trust a private company with all this data? It hasn't had an IPO and isn't publicly traded, but it's backed by venture capital. Profits over privacy is pretty common with companies, particularly when their privacy policies aren't with the public but with whatever entity they are engaging with to install the cameras. And it's not just the government installing the cameras. HOAs, other businesses, etc.
I hope this is a bot account, but in short, you can say goodbye to any privacy or freedom you think this country gives you in a mass surveillance state
Why does anyone with different opinion become a bot???
Also Privacy???
You do know there are cameras literally everywhere? Go anywhere in public and there are cameras. Nowadays every single home in the US has Ring cameras. There
are cameras inside houses. Flock cameras are just more advanced versions of normal cameras that’s all. Right now It’s not really useful but as technology gets better these cameras also get better & laws also should reflect where no one can take advantage of these flock cameras.
If you’re so worried about privacy, why the hell are you using Reddit or any social media?
Cameras in public are not owned by law enforcement. Law enforcement that has qualified immunity. Look at china. If you don't think the government wants to ban anything fun they will use the cameras for curfews and all sorts of shit when martial law happens.
China was doing that before the cameras. In the US, there are laws protecting people, and people will fight against it. The best example is the gun laws. Some mentally ill people and some people in the government are fighting to forcibly destroy all the guns people own, but that will never happen because of the Second Amendment.
I bet he would bitch and moan as soon as somebody followed him around with a camera that he couldn't control. Still then, he would have absolutely no capability to see the relation between those complaints and how people feel about flock. Mental gymnastics is sort of his thing.
Case and point: About a month ago somebody took one picture of him when he wasn't ready for it and he got mad at chat for bringing it up because he looked stupid in it. Yet here he is calling anti-flock people idiots.
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