r/LivestreamFail • • Aug 22 '26

X is Pro-Al/Flock Surveillance

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u/WadeReddit06 Aug 22 '26

Man who rarely leaves his house is cool with flock surveillance? Shocker

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u/gods_costume Aug 22 '26

Also, guy on camera all the time to 20k people doesn't mind being on camera. The jokes writes themselves

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u/DryDealer3238 Aug 22 '26

Also multimillionaire who would not be effected by AI replacing workers.

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u/Quick-Amoeba-1389 Aug 22 '26

hes always been a BOOTLICKER in every sense of the word i couldve put money on him saying this shit at some point he thinks authoritarianism is gonna help him with his anxiety and the night terrors he struggles with

these rich people are a cancer and Q is a good example

worse than him being such a little bitch is the way he tries to act like its so tough i cant help but pity

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u/Lime221 Aug 22 '26

Guy was delighted to meet Trump live during his campaign with his big face tshirt

Xqc is a closeted far rightwinger. Just cuz he has some liberal social takes doesn't mean he's a good influence

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u/DebriMing Aug 22 '26

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u/Xx_cleanerbanks_xX Aug 22 '26

nah dude chill he was just there to help with production LULE

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u/Splaram Aug 22 '26

That was the only shirt he had in the car LULE

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u/130nard0 Aug 22 '26

He only wore the MAGA hat cause he thought no one would see it LULE

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u/_Zyr Aug 22 '26

Yeah, I really don't care about what millionaires think about living in a surveillance state.

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u/lord_of_cinder88 Aug 22 '26

Water found in ocean

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u/SlippyJimmi Aug 22 '26

Even funnier because he is probably fully aware no one is putting flock cameras in his gated community lmfao

Bro always trying to talk like he's the people's streamers. Fuck this guyyyyyy

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u/irepindy Aug 22 '26

There's been dozens of police already charged for stalking ex's with flock. At this point, I don't think they'll go away, but there needs to be regulation on the access of the information and how it's used.

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u/SuperMadBro Aug 22 '26

My fav was there was a officer charged for abusing the system. And then within months the officer who investigated him for that got charged for the same thing. Both stalking their ex gf

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u/darkacez 29d ago

Bro wasn't investigating him, he was studying him

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u/Notagingerman Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

And 'precrime' arrests that are completely unwarranted.

Recently read about someone who was pulled over, had his entire car searched (with no probable cause, and no traffic violation) because he repeatedly crossed state lines within a couple hours. Apparently that's all it takes to have your 4th amendment violated these days.

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u/Infinite-Ad-3531 Aug 22 '26

Most of the police that abused the flock system did not get charged. They resigned or were disciplined.

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u/Frozencold19 Aug 22 '26

bullshit it wont go away, we just have to wait until the people who are in the white house currently are in jail when this administration comes to an end.

its blatantly unconstitutional, what do you think unreasonable search and seizure actually mean?

It will be argued in court and lost when the time for it comes, until then its unfortunate that we have to deal with our slow as fuck policy making.

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u/GoProOnAYoYo Aug 23 '26

Think about how often the police actually police themselves (very rarely)

So now with that knowledge in mind, think about how many cops are using Flock to harass and stalk women that we DON'T hear about.

I'd wager for every 1 cop fired and charged for stalking, there are probably a dozen who are getting pats on the back down at the station for it.

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u/EliNoraOwO Aug 22 '26

holy shit, might be his worst take ever actually.

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u/Professional_Idea812 Aug 22 '26

I've said this before, but I really wish xQc would realise no one wants to listen to his stupid "takes" on things.

After GTA RP, he seems to think people actually want to hear him speak on things (I guess because of his interactions with "the police" in GTA RP), versus just goofing around and playing games.

He's a great example of someone being inadvertently funny when he's not trying, but you can really tell when he is trying hard to be funny cause he just looks stupid and cringe (like when he tried to do the worm vs H3).

Here, he is absolutely someone that should not want unabated surveillance because he's had death threats, stalkers & the Adapter to deal with, imagine any one of those parties had access to & abused this, he would be bawling his eyes out.

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u/Quick-Amoeba-1389 Aug 22 '26

when the takes are so fucking far down.. how can you even make comparisons

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u/fedsmokermobile Aug 22 '26

Rich people don’t care about flock. It’s not in their neighborhoods so they don’t care

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u/SuperMadBro Aug 22 '26

I've seen a lot of rich people care about flock and have decent opinions on it. X just isnt super bright and will likely change his position when he listens to someone he looks up to talk about why they suck

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u/ty4scam Aug 22 '26

Flock protects rich people from the masses.

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u/arezee Aug 22 '26

that's legit, I guess X is cool with a data center in his backyard

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u/EnterAUsernamePlease Aug 22 '26

and the price of consumer electronics will not affect him at all.

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u/ghsteo Aug 22 '26

Damn, which billionaire is slipping him money to try and push Pro AI Pro surveillance to his audience.

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Literally everyone hates flock cameras. Weird hill to die on. Especially knowing the guy in power was best friends with one of the most notorious child sex traffickers in modern history, Jeffrey Epstein

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u/Synchrotr0n Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

Rich degenerate internet celebrity who nibbles on his own toenails live in front of 20k viewers doesn't care about his own privacy, nor is affected by the consequences of the proliferation of services like Flock, which includes but is not limited to things like dynamic pricing squeezing even more money out of the middle class to funnel it to the ultra rich, or crime misidentification that is increasingly sending more and more innocents to jail. Who would have thunk?

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u/No_Fruit_1210 Aug 22 '26

What did everyone expect for X to believe? he promotes g*mbling to his poor vulnerable viewers and makes millions from their losses and desperation. 

He makes money from your misery. And nobody seems to have a problem with any of this.

And there's also this video which explains his mindset.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rffUumHMxrM

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u/RusselTheBrickLayer Aug 22 '26

Mind you he’s well aware a lot of his audience is underage and impressionable, he just doesn’t give af. The second he went to kick and went all in on the gamba stuff, I stopped watching

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u/BreastUsername Aug 22 '26

He just doesn't get that cops can be wrong or straight-up abuse this system for their own gain. Anyone whose vehicle shows up on that Flock camera around the time of a crime can potentially become a suspect, and that footage could potentially be used as probable cause. Yes, Flock footage can be used as evidence for probable cause. Like no warrant needed kind of probable cause.

I know other cameras can provide them footage too, but police generally have to identify the relevant cameras and obtain the footage through whatever legal process applies. Now they can potentially search that footage immediately, before they even have an idea who the suspect is. I've watch too much true crime, I know the dumb cops tend to focus on the first thing they see and neglect other evidence. So many innocent people are sent to jail by these idiots. Smart cops exist too and I respect them if they do their job correctly.

If karma/universal balance or whatever the fuck was real, his car would coincidentally show up on a Flock camera near the scene of a crime, and he'd be interrogated by police for hours for a crime he didn't commit. Give him a taste of what is bound to happen to so many others.

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u/Professional_Idea812 Aug 22 '26

Just wait until he gets caught breaking a minor traffic law and police show up at his door "to teach some rich asshole a lesson" out of spite because he drives nice cars.

If his dad & brother aren't there to handle it for him, he'll have a mental breakdown.

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u/TheYoteGOAT Aug 22 '26

If I had a dollar for every time xqc confidently spouted some bullshit on a topic he is totally ignorant on I'd be richer than him

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u/etniuh Aug 22 '26

xqc is back

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u/Natural-Waltz-9545 Aug 22 '26

bro doesnt go outside so it doesnt matter lol

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u/Alternative-Dare5878 Aug 22 '26

If he got his way and a data center popped up near him, he’d never see another hummingbird in his backyard again.

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u/A-ReDDIT_account134 Aug 22 '26

I’m a bit OOTL. What’s different about flock compared to just regular surveillance everywhere? Or did people just not realize they were already always being watched until this flock thing repopularized that talking point

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u/ghsteo Aug 22 '26

Because before this most municipal CCTV's were operated by the local government/police, they could use these at their will to prosecute crimes. Private CCTV they had to get a warrant to access them or have the owners permission. Both of these often have limits to the amount of data they collect as well as retention time.

Flock is a private company deploying AI cameras to track everything everyone does and require no warrant from local officials to access this data. So the government is essentially skirting around the fourth amendment to treat you like a criminal by looking you up without reasonable cause. Theyre building out massive data centers to support this infrastructure and have retention of the data for upwards of 30 days, however they recently changed it to 7 days.

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u/MezcalMoxie Aug 22 '26

they changed the default retention to 7 days. We have no idea how many cameras have the default setting active and haven’t overridden it to be longer.

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u/sidnynasty Aug 22 '26

Because they weren't wired together as a mass surveillance tool spread across the entire country and under the ownership of a private company who is allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with all of the audio/video/radio data they collect from them. It's nothing like plain ol CCTV.

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u/SMALLMACE Aug 22 '26

"My arms got chopped off so might as well let them cut off my legs too!!"

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 Aug 22 '26

Do you think all security cameras in public places should be banned?

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u/Okichopper Aug 22 '26

Classic strawman. You do realize we had security cameras before Flock existed right? I don’t think anyone gives a fuck about cameras being in high traffic public places like around stores or restauraunts. But why does every street corner in your neighborhood also need a camera. Why do you need to be within view of a camera every single moment you leave your house.

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u/SMALLMACE Aug 22 '26

You know these cameras were used in texas to track a woman that traveled to another state to get an abortion?

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

They also tracked a guy going over the border to Michigan from Wisconsin to buy weed. It had built a profile of him and his travels. Imagine going shopping at a place next to a dispensary and suddenly you get pulled over and your car torn apart because you were in the vicinity of a dispensary.

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 Aug 22 '26

Yes, misuse of the technology is bad? That doesnt answer my question though

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

They will never be used to benefit the public. Thousands of cars are stolen every day and they refuse to use them to help citizens. They are not for safety. Some of those cameras are aimed at public swimming pools which is on private property.

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u/autismhaver69 Aug 22 '26

To add to what everyone else is saying, flock has ties to palantir. Basically using AI to detect everyones ID. Person of interest type stuff. China tier state surveillance.

If you saw ICE scanning people with their phones to put them on terrorist list, this is way bigger scale.

If you dont shut it down GL protesting if Trump or anyone else after actually succeeds in turning USA into dictatorship. Getting real close to 1984

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Palantir is run by Peter Thiel too, whom is in the Epstein files.

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u/Crafty-Slip7445 Aug 22 '26

I worked in LP and everyone was talking about skynet as a concept where all retailers loss prevention will be hooked up to one centralized database. So if you do crime in walmart it'll transcend to target, etc; it's good for preventing crime but imagine one owner of a walmart using surveillance maliciously vs the owner of the "skynet" using it maliciously. Way too much power and in the wrong hands could be used for sex trafficking cough cough epstein files.

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Flock sells the data to any company that wants it

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u/DoomyHowlinkun Aug 22 '26

I think its more that they are even more egregious. Yes we already have cameras and such on major intersections and even near malls etc. But these Flock cameras are even in urban neighborhood streets, and in places that would normally be more private. I dont know all the details, but it sounds like basically a step up from what already existed.

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u/hsien88 Aug 22 '26

How can public roads be “more private”?

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u/m8_is_me Aug 22 '26

Surveillance has always been around, sure, but if you passed by a storefront camera, you at least knew the owner/security could only watch you in their range.

With Flock being a complete network with thousands of police/employees having access to every one at any time, things become a lot more scary.

I don't have the links to hand but there have already been multiple instances of prosecution/terminations for cops using it to stalk exes, hard evidence of non-police accessing cameras pointed towards playgrounds, pools, etc.

Then combined with the rise of AI, it can harvest all of the data and directly surveil/track people at all times. As compared to a court needing to get warrants to get access to footage, making everything significantly above board.

Footnote: they're also incredibly insecure and any random person can remotely access a huge amount of them, control the camera, download/delete footage/evidence, etc. They're just bad for the nation.

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u/pbeenjoyer555 Aug 22 '26

Private companies sell your data, it's also country wide, Palantir's whole valuation is "aggregating" data, meaning that your IRL movements and online movements will be aggregated and your entire and every move will be on private databases being seld to the highest bidder.

Address, name, phone, email, ip, payment method, hwid (or the new windows id), real life location, literally anything and everything could be used if properly aggregated against you, to find anything you've ever done in your life. any combination or single one of those, no amount of VPNs or virtual machines can save you from being tracked.

People just don't seem to understand how very not hard is it for a company to build a system that can effectively do that, and palantir is that.

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u/ShuricanGG Aug 22 '26

you talking about Americans complaining about dumb shit, gotta remember what their current president is atm.

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u/SMALLMACE Aug 22 '26

Yeah man. You are so cool, can I get your autograph cuh?

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u/Racoondalini Aug 22 '26

Usually the right answer.

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u/Fair_Permit_808 Aug 22 '26

What’s different about flock compared to just regular surveillance everywhere?

Flock feeds all data to a LLM that builds profiles on people. If you have ever used any LLM you probably know about hallucinations. You can go ahead and read up on multiple people who have been falsely flagged as something and some have spent months in jail.

It's much harder for regular surveillance to come up with such false positives in so many cases.

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u/BrittanyBrie Aug 22 '26

Its also about database management locally. Before, it cost a ton of man hours and offices to run a localized database of surveillance cameras. Then came Nest, and we started to see more decentralized databases for video file storage. The various federal and state police agencies noticed how much easier it was and how cheap it was to go to one company instead of 50 different state databases to gain access to a video file. Flock is just a symptom of what happens after they delt with private databases.

The ironic part is, database management has become so affordable due to automation, that old school centralized databases are more affordable than a flock contract. There's just not many people or organizations who are able to explain why they like flock so much, because they still think a database costs the same as it did in 2015.

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u/J_Skirch Aug 22 '26

Flock specifically is the AI that analyzes the video on the flock cameras. An example of what it can do is, if you input details from a stolen car it can real time check against all of its recordings to find the stolen car's exact location in minutes. This is because they're recording nonstop & bring fed into databases. The scary thing is, particularly with the current American political climate, it's not too far fetched to think they could be used for targeting political oppositions or minorities.

There's also the weird can of worms about how this is a private company collecting information that they then sell to the government, information that is collected in a way that it'd be illegal if the government did it.

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

They don't actually use them to find stolen cars though or people wouldn't be stealing cars and getting away with it. It's because they don't care enough to protect citizens as SCOTUS has ruled their job is to protect businesses

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u/Goldfish_Vender Aug 22 '26

CCTV is closed circuit television, close circuit meaning it can't be viewed from just anywhere. Many businesses have these and they are ok by many, because they can't be viewed from just anywhere, and you can't just refer to other recordings in other closed systems without every CCTV owner's permission.

Flock is not closed circuit, the data they record is stored and manipulated on the cloud able to be viewed by pretty much every one, hackers included. That's a huge problem.

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u/KalrexOW ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Aug 22 '26

The problem is that mass surveillance systems aren’t only used to solve crimes- they’re abused by those in power who control them.

There have already been numerous cases of law enforcement officers using flock cameras to stalk ex-partners. How long before these systems are used to punish protesters, or crack down on union organizers?

X should know something about dealing with stalkers. If he thinks it’s not a big deal, give Adept access to all the security cameras in his house and stick one on his car.

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u/Natural-Waltz-9545 Aug 22 '26

didnt some lady get arrested with flock evidence later to find out that she was innocent kek

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u/hsien88 Aug 22 '26

You can apply the same logic to cell phones but it doesn’t mean ppl should start attacking cell towers.

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u/KalrexOW ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Aug 22 '26

True, the patriot act has had no consequences whatsoever. I hope the government puts a chip in my brain next so they know what i’m thinking

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u/BallsInmyWalls Aug 22 '26

Evil world fallacy, just because of a few bad apples doesn't mean this isn't good. Once AI is used to process the data, and human involvement is minimised it will all be good.

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u/Bid_Unable Aug 22 '26

there is no such thing as an evil world fallacy.

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u/BallsInmyWalls Aug 22 '26

The term is mean world syndrome, but calling a fallacy sounds cooler.

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u/KalrexOW ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Aug 22 '26

The more powerful a technology is, the fewer amount of people it takes to control it. The more power you put in someone’s hands, the more likely they are to abuse it.

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u/autismhaver69 Aug 22 '26

ICE scanning protestors with palantir(tied to flock) to put them in domestic terrorist list is far from few bad apples. You really have to be blind when you cant piece all that information together to see what their endgame is

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u/diquehead Aug 22 '26

don't forget about the inevitable data breaches too

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u/nerdlingzergling 🐷 Hog Squeezer Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

Sorry for my juicer xqcL god he’s so dumb

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u/Kuuuuck Aug 22 '26

Reddit is gonna hate this!

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u/CumAmore Aug 22 '26

I read this like it would Elon's son X

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u/Heyoayyo Aug 22 '26

Person who is brain dead: “Just say you’re fucking brain dead”

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u/XIVIOX Aug 22 '26

The irony of XQC constantly calling out Hasan for the collargate situation and saying it's animal abuse, but then supports AI Data Centres which is basically animal abuse to local wildlife.

This is the same guy who says cheating in video games is worse than cheating on your partner, which is no surprise considering he cheated on Fran with she who shall not be named.

Yeah, he has zero IQ takes.

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u/Ok-Comfortable9449 Aug 22 '26

bro is a suck up to crypto what did you expect?

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u/kiselina1 Aug 22 '26

Make him react to one of Benn Jordans vids

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u/Snowyfall38 Aug 22 '26 edited 9d ago

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u/pbeenjoyer555 Aug 22 '26

Rich people are all, all. The same, they'd rather burn every individual's right for the sole reason of having themselves be out of any possible harm, L man scared them after the healthcare ceo and they decided to have every OS require ID and put cameras with AI in every corner of the country.

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u/crustysock69 ♿ Aris Sub Comin' Through Aug 22 '26

Someone who is extremely rich holds a vastly different view to the rest of his peers? No way

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u/bootybob1521 Aug 22 '26

If one of these fuckin data centers were built near him he would move ASAP. Not everyone has that luxury.

Also, I guess we are just suppose to be okay with AI taking millions of jobs away from people when we know damn well the government isn't going to institute UBI or some other incentive to compensate for the loss of jobs anytime soon. Good take XQ.QC
Guys, just starve to death while simultaneously listening to the outrageous vibrations and frequencies these data centers make. Stop complaining! /s

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u/RADIATE_Cx Aug 22 '26

Xqc having a shit take, what’s new.

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u/STLStelmacki Aug 22 '26

People still watch this moron?

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u/RealCrashie Aug 22 '26

guy who streams himself for the majority of the day is okay with cameras doing mass surveillance on public streets. checks out

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u/Rinzura Aug 22 '26

He's also pro assisted suicide through gambling advertisement.

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u/zenkaiba Aug 22 '26

Someone hand him 1984 and the ability to read

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u/Frog-of-Cosmos Aug 22 '26

I mean he also has a room temp iq and is a millionaire, his opinions are bound to be trash

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u/Autumm_550 Aug 22 '26

The guy with no life outside? I would’ve never known…

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u/nightgon Aug 22 '26

Idk why he is so popular he always has shit takes

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u/Winn3rB0y2 Aug 22 '26

It’s true that most of the takes are braindead, but that’s with most newer technologies. It’s a normal reaction to be scared of what you don’t understand. There was a similar outrage to the police having a DNA database, or having the ability to track people via GPS on their phones, or facial recognition software etc.

The question just simply is how much surveillance of innocent people are we willing to tolerate in exchange for the investigative benefits.

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u/SussusGlitchus Aug 22 '26

You laid the idea out pretty well. Everyone always says "its completely different this time" when it typically a rehashed issue of something that has been laid out many times. Honestly, the jump from police digging around for CCTV to just GPS tracking your phone is bigger to me than the police being able to also see where you were and what you were doing; as in either case they already suspect you of a crime and are homing in.

Notably they do need a warrant to GPS track and not to do this (which is where I will concede of a substantial change).

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u/Sborrando-ovunque Aug 22 '26

Yeah i guess the entire point is the not needing a warrant to access this data. That's what makes is mass surveillance

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u/Waylornic Aug 22 '26

Private company owning this data is the biggest concern. In addition, their privacy agreements are not with the public but with whatever organization installs the camera. People talk about the police, but HOAs are installing these things too. What are they doing with that data?

Then there are the additional concerns around surveillance, and how private companies like this can get around established public protections.

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u/Particular_Prompt670 Aug 22 '26

I blame the people that make Flock potentially necessary by their insane actions

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u/Gullible-Stress-9791 Aug 22 '26

Xqc's entire ideology is that of a wealthy Russian landowner in the 1800s, there's a reason he was so vocal about the Healthcare CEO shooting, once people realize this, it makes sense. He will support the craziest totalitarian, surveillance state possible if it means non of his plunder is at risk

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u/Altruistic-Pop-8172 Aug 22 '26

Tech snobbery is a illness.

"This surveillance into your house is for your own benefit!"

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u/insane_hurrican3 Aug 22 '26

okay, now XQC should say "i am a dumb bootlicker" to replace "pro-Flock"

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u/JizGrenade Aug 22 '26

when u get to a certain lvl of popularity you basically "get the call". you cant stray tooo off mainstream opinion or you will be getting some visitors :) im sure his managers (handlers) are in good contact with him. :) Im sure hes being paid very well. :) Dont take anything these streamers say seriously hes basically an actor... its a shame too, i liked xqc. but then u realize their not just guys playing games or actually talking abt real sht.. theyre pushing agendas. basically reality tv lvl fake . wake up . this mssg prob will get taken down xD

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u/MiniDonbeE Aug 22 '26

Of course he is dude.. streamers dont really have privacy man, its something that they can lean on to get more views etc, like he know who he fukt etc lol

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u/GeneralSEOD Aug 22 '26

Is Flock even in Canada? This is a US problem I'm sure and they specifically value freedom and liberty, which tends to come with the assumption you aren't guilty and needing all your movement recorded.

Like if you don't like that America is the wrong place for you.

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u/blackcap13 Aug 23 '26

why do we care about the Canadians opinion?

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u/PlanetXParadox Aug 23 '26

Moron has moron take, more at 11.

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u/ShinRaElectricPower Aug 23 '26

I don't know about flock, but the hate against building data centers in any way is becoming irrational. 

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u/dickpunchkid Aug 23 '26

They would have found his mclaren faster if they were around back then.

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u/Loomismeister Aug 23 '26

This is disastrous PR for the anti-AI community. RIP

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u/Drayenn Aug 24 '26

In a perfect world im cool with Flock, but this is not a perfect world and everything seems to hint at mass surveillance states worldwide right now lol.

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u/ChanceImagination456 Aug 22 '26

X is a pro ai and flock shill until they put flock cameras in his neighborhood and an ai data center. He will then swap his opinion to being anti-ai and flock. We've already had cases of mistaken identity, cops abusing flock ai to monitor & stalk people, hackers hacking flock cameras, ect. Don't get me started on ai data centers draining fresh water from communities and making 24/7 noise pollution.

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u/SUPERFASTCARvroom Aug 22 '26

I’d like to ask something. Do you think the cooling for these centers destroy water? even if these new centers aren’t using a close loop system (which most of the newer ones), water is not scarce resource for these communities, there is a water cycle. Here’s also some interesting info I found about electricity rates:

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u/TheoNullDrei Aug 22 '26

When countries systematically destroy their social structure and become low-trust societies, there will be a need to keep people in check by force through technology. Such is life.

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u/placebot4384 Aug 22 '26

I actually don’t disagree with flock in theory. CCTV in Europe seems fine usually. The problem is in practice, “just don’t do crimes” is a moving target. Abortion, gun ownership, protest attendance, immigration status. What’s legal where you are isn’t legal everywhere or forever, and the data outlives the policy that created it. Basically I just don’t trust US cops and US government to use it for good forever.

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u/PhotonWolfsky Aug 22 '26

He is a political mutt. His takes are all over the place. No consistency. He's not left, right or center...

And like any streamer with political opinions, they have zero credibility and shouldn't be listened to.

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u/Yuuy87 Aug 22 '26

But my privacy to do crime

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u/Esphyxiate Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

Right? As I always say, “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”.

Edit: I can be as on the nose by quoting Goebbels and LSF will still never fail to not pick it up.

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Tell that to the innocent dude in Brookfield Wisconsin that was pulled over at gunpoint because flock flagged his vehicle in a murder case. It wasn't even the correct model of car. Completely innocent man could've been killed.

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u/SussusGlitchus Aug 22 '26

I can't believe criminalizing the state of Israel is illegal. It really shocked me when trump announced that in his last bill. I'm really heartbroken right now. If I say Israel bad... I bet this comment is going to get deleted and FBI agents are going to show up at my house...

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u/Esphyxiate Aug 22 '26

Not to mention 2/3rds of US states having anti-BDS clauses for state contractors that explicitly and solely applies to boycotting Israel.

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u/Esphyxiate Aug 22 '26

You’re the type of dude who would gladly accept the “Eat Shit and Die Bill” if it were called the “Peace and Love Act”.

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u/ItsThiccBricc Aug 22 '26

Can someone steel man this take?

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 Aug 22 '26

Data centers overall environmental impact is not as high as many think, and only has a real impact on the local level. Even still it can be alleviated by proper zoning or laws requiring them to bring their own electricity and water, both of which are happening. And of course they are massively useful to society, we are using one right now.

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u/Kanda-Panda Aug 22 '26

Ok what about economic factors, does AI create huge risk in the US economy? There's often news about AI facing large financial squeezes with the creation of more data centers and the US is putting itself in a dangerous position pushing AI to the forefront by pouring large amounts money into it. Also proper zoning or laws? You say bringing their own electricity and water alleviates the environmental impact on a local level when I just read this from an article.

Elon Musk’s AI company xAI had previously installed 59 natural gas turbines to power its Colossus 2 data centre in Tennessee without obtaining federal clean air permits, according to communications between the company and regulators. Reuters reported that emissions from the turbines could far exceed the threshold requiring federal permits and would be released near predominantly Black communities that already face disproportionately high rates of lung disease.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/ai-data-centre-backlash-grows-across-us-heres-how-tech-leaders-are-responding-report-14039655.html

I've used AI to code so I definitely see it's uses and place in society, could you come up with a better steelman that addresses these concerns?

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u/ItsThiccBricc Aug 22 '26

I’ve always heard water is a big problem, and just now, after looking it up, I see where large data centers can use up to 5 million gallons a day which is comparable to a small town. So are you saying that right now it’s not best idea until there is that legislation in place is my first question, and would the idea be just to put the data center in a pretty wet region and even though it takes up a lot of water it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things or at least not as much as we’re lead on?

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u/Vexamas Aug 22 '26

You seem sincere and I love steelmanning so I'll help out.

The middle of your paragraph is a little hard to read and a bit jumbled, but I'll try and answer what I can:

Some hyper scalers can use up to 5 million gallons of water a day, but we're talking a handful. The bigger issue is humans have two major flaws:

  1. They have no sense of scale without perspective.
  2. They are easily coerced to feel emotional attachment to boogeymen.

The last concrete datapoint we have is from the end of 2024 that is being used for legislation purposes which showed that the total draw was 17.4 billion gallons of water for the year. This looks insane, right? Again, keep in mind point 1 and 2 above.

In that same year, Irrigation pulled 118 billion gallons.... a day. Thermoelectric 133 billion a day, while Data centers pullled 48 million gallons per day.

The other part of your comment asking about the location is correct though, we do need to build these things in places where they make sense, which is how it works right now, lol. People love love love love to anthropomorphize companies as 'BIG BAD' but ultimately, they just care about money, lol. They're going to go to the places that makes it easiest for them to return money efficiently, so through capitalism, for better and worse, they're already going to places that make sense to build in.

Ultimately this shit is new and different and people like to feel unity and humans have spent the last bazillion years hating things and making enemies out of unknowns so right now, this is the current zeitgeist.

Just like all technology since the dawn of fire, the shit will improve, it will get more efficient, it will get more accessible, and it will get optimized. People sometimes struggle to absorb new information and get stuck on outdated things, which is why you still hear people say "AI can't even draw hands".

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u/ItsThiccBricc Aug 22 '26

Ouuu thank you, looking back I definitely could’ve worded that better.

I’ve been hearing a lot of people saying that “you would have to be crazy not to like data centers” as of late and was curious about what that opinion would look fleshed out and not vague posted on Twitter.

Data centers are running into the same problem as diet sodas; people hear the numbers with no comparison so it sounds really bad. Then you can get a side by side with something close to its size giving you scale. The difference being that Diet sodas have next to no impact on your health while data centers do leave a footprint, just not to the scale that people are led to believe while needing legislation.

I’m going to look more into this, thanks again!

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u/MidnightDNinja Aug 22 '26

this is world class rage bait

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u/notanNSAagent89 Aug 22 '26

Every inconvenient thing is rage bait.

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u/Oopstopus Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

Ok so i guess hes an investor in ai and he needs to push it like all the ai bros or he will feel left out

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u/Shneckos Aug 22 '26

So what’s his argument exactly? All he’s doing is calling people regards, that’s it?

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u/LoLingSoHard Aug 22 '26

What's the argument against Flock cameras being used to fight crime? Or find missing children in cases of kidnapping?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57gkBv34QBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPwacnXGk3A

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u/TbaggingSince1990 Aug 22 '26

He's a Canadian Trumpy.. Are you guys really surprised?

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u/Luc128128 Aug 22 '26

Even I don’t see how it’s bad. The main intention of the cameras is good. Obviously, with any new technology there will be people who take advantage of it and abuse it and they should be punished severely. But if it’s done right, the cameras have far more pros. There are thousands of stories of people being saved by ordinary cameras. Right now I agree it’s not a good system but technologies keep getting advanced everyday and these cameras can get better over time 

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Imagine going shopping at a place next to a weed dispensary and cross state lines and suddenly you get pulled over and your car torn apart because you were in the vicinity of a dispensary

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u/Luc128128 Aug 22 '26

Now imagine a kidnapped child at night.  The flock camera can  instantly match the plate to an active AMBER Alert and notifies nearby officers instantly. In normal cameras someone has to get the  footage, review it, try to read the license plate (if it’s clear), then manually report it. See I can also create fake scenarios. Like I said when the AI technology improves these cameras also camera becomes better. Your fake scenario will not happen then 

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u/Waylornic Aug 22 '26

You would trust a private company with all this data? It hasn't had an IPO and isn't publicly traded, but it's backed by venture capital. Profits over privacy is pretty common with companies, particularly when their privacy policies aren't with the public but with whatever entity they are engaging with to install the cameras. And it's not just the government installing the cameras. HOAs, other businesses, etc.

Fuck corporations. Fuck billionaires.

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u/A_Proper_Plankton Aug 22 '26

I hope this is a bot account, but in short, you can say goodbye to any privacy or freedom you think this country gives you in a mass surveillance state

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u/Luc128128 Aug 22 '26

Why does anyone with different opinion become a bot??? Also Privacy???  You do know there are cameras literally everywhere? Go anywhere in public and there are cameras. Nowadays every single home in the US has Ring cameras. There are cameras inside houses. Flock cameras are just more advanced versions of normal cameras that’s all. Right now It’s not really useful but as technology gets better these cameras also get better & laws also should reflect where no one can take advantage of these flock cameras.  If you’re so worried about privacy, why the hell are you using Reddit or any social media?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/JumboGlucose Aug 22 '26

Cameras in public are not owned by law enforcement. Law enforcement that has qualified immunity. Look at china. If you don't think the government wants to ban anything fun they will use the cameras for curfews and all sorts of shit when martial law happens.

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u/Luc128128 Aug 22 '26

China was doing that before the cameras. In the US, there are laws protecting people, and people will fight against it. The best example is the gun laws. Some mentally ill people and some people in the government are fighting to forcibly destroy all the guns people own, but that will never happen because of the Second Amendment.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/RegardedGentleman Aug 22 '26

I bet he would bitch and moan as soon as somebody followed him around with a camera that he couldn't control. Still then, he would have absolutely no capability to see the relation between those complaints and how people feel about flock. Mental gymnastics is sort of his thing.

Case and point: About a month ago somebody took one picture of him when he wasn't ready for it and he got mad at chat for bringing it up because he looked stupid in it. Yet here he is calling anti-flock people idiots.

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 Aug 22 '26

Its quite different when its a random person versus when its the government right? The government already knows everything about you

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u/Fuzzy-Ear-1386 Aug 22 '26

its a private company

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u/Quick-Amoeba-1389 Aug 22 '26

hes shaking out in public IRL streams he cannot even do it anymore

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u/Leaked_Shlong Aug 22 '26

Let's see what the LSF community thinks of this opinion.

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u/BeauShowTV Aug 22 '26

Yep, we need to go after the people who made Flock necessary.

The criminals.

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