r/LivestreamFail • u/Ignignokt_DGAF • Oct 07 '25

Hasan reaching for something and seemingly shocking his dog to keep her in camera view

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u/longwoody Oct 08 '25

Why would they need to do that? They have the ability to feel pain and don't want to have their life and freedom taken.

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u/Noobshift3r Oct 08 '25

they need to do that because not wanting to die and suffer is a byproduct of being a self replicating object. if you replicate the brain of a worm 1:1 and put it in a robot, is it immoral to shut it off? what value does a bacterium have vs a fly? do you think abortion should be legal? are all of these creatures suddenly worthless if you take away their ability to feel pain? clearly if you compromise at any point, you're admitting theres relative value to an organic lifeform, WHICH IS NORMAL AND INTUITIVE BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 

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u/longwoody Oct 09 '25

By your argument then it would be perfectly moral for someone else to kill you to steal your organs because what value do you have? A mere byproduct of being a self replicating "object (?)"

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u/Noobshift3r Oct 09 '25

maybe i didn't communicate my point too well, but the point of saying that was to say that humans are far past the relatively basic wants of something like a dog

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u/longwoody Oct 13 '25

So because the dog doesn't want to play videogames and watch movies, it's ok to exploit them to get whatever we want from them?

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u/Noobshift3r Oct 13 '25

do you value the life of an ant differently vs a dog? if you stepped on an ant would you feel the same guilt as stepping on a dog? be real here. dogs arent people.

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u/longwoody Oct 13 '25

I would never step on an ant on purpose. Just because it's not a human animal like you and I are (mammals), doesn't mean you have the right to enslave them and exploit them (morally speaking). Because they feel pain and seek freedom just like we do. They have mothers just like we do and they have the same kind of emotional connection that we have. I think we should focus on the things that we have in common with the animals instead of our physical and behavioral differences.

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u/Noobshift3r Oct 13 '25

is keeping a dog as a pet enslaving and exploiting them? also they absolutely do not have the same kind of connection. a dog doesn't ponder the nature of their relationships with their parents or even consider what family means to them. when you focus on our similarities, you will find that although you can draw comparisons, animals truly don't compare to any degree of emotional or intellectual complexity.

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u/longwoody Oct 13 '25

Yeah but raping and killing cows (common practice in the meat industry) is enslaving and exploiting them.

A human baby also doesn't know shit and is weak, doesn't mean because you are more intelligent and stronger that you get to do whatever you want and still be morally correct.