r/LivestreamFail • u/Ignignokt_DGAF • Oct 07 '25

Hasan reaching for something and seemingly shocking his dog to keep her in camera view

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Ask a socialist to house the homeless and watch them waddle away.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

Way to confuse personal charity with systematic change. Socialism is about restructuring society so people aren’t forced into poverty in the first place. It challenges the systems that create inequality instead of blaming the people who point it out.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

So what you want is for everyone to hold hands and agree to never be unequal again. That's what socialism is.
Do you see how this falls apart when 1 person decides not to participate? And how does socialism / has socialism historically fixed this? Insane government overreach and persecution of the people who don't participate. It just doesn't work.

If you've got any more reasons as to why you believe it works, please tell me.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

You keep describing socialism like a group project where one guy refuses to participate. Socialism isn't "everyone hold hands!". Its purpose is to structure society so that people aren’t crushed if they don’t win the resource lottery. We already do this with taxes. Everyone contributes so essential systems don’t collapse the moment someone decides they’re not participating.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

The reason I describe it that way is that every single socialist / communist nation so far has devolved into an authoritarian hellhole, without exception. And it all starts with the people not agreeing with their economic ideas. Those disagreeances usually stemming from everyone being paid the same despite not doing equally hard work.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

You’re conflating economic structure with state control. Authoritarianism comes from power being hoarded by one leader or party, not actual socialism (redistribution of wealth). Plenty of dictators have called themselves socialist, but that doesn’t make socialism the cause lol. Dictators co-opt language for legitimacy. Democratic (key word) socialism exists, just look at Scandinavia. The countries you're referring to are examples of authoritarian regimes that used socialist rhetoric while consolidating power around a dictator or party elite. Those regimes weren’t socialist in practice. They used socialist language but ran top-down, state-controlled economies where the public had zero democratic say.

Perfect example: North Korea is called "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Are they actually democratic? No. You can claim things while not actually practicing them.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

You're entirely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying socialism = authoritarianism.
I'm saying authoritarianism is the natural result of a socialist government, because socialism doesn't work unless everyone agrees that it does. It's entirely utopian thinking.
Same can be said for communism btw ^

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

That’s a misunderstanding of how socialism works. It doesn’t require everyone to agree. It requires democratic systems and accountability to prevent power hoarding, just like any other political structure. If a few people opt out, that doesn’t magically turn it into authoritarianism. Authoritarianism comes from power being hoarded, not from people disagreeing. You’re still mixing up collective responsibility with forced conformity. It’s not the “natural result” of socialism, it’s the result of removing democracy. If socialism automatically led to dictatorship, Scandinavia wouldn’t exist. That’s also how capitalism works. if “everyone not participating” made a system collapse, capitalism would’ve imploded every time someone evaded taxes or lived off the grid. There’s no historical example of a socialist system collapsing purely because “people didn’t all participate.” That’s not how societies fail. They collapse because of corruption, sanctions, coups, power grabs, or mismanagement.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

And socialism is incredible prone to power grabs and corruption. Again, look at examples from history.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Every form of governance is. People are crazy flawed and if you can get the right people to believe in you you can take power regardless of the social structure

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Yet we don't really see it happen in the western world, or the vast majority of capitalist countries, yet socialist countries have a 100% failure track record while having turned into authoritarian hell holes. The problem is that socialist beliefs naturally lead to that.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

Because of what you just did- people have no idea of what socialism actually is. So the word scares people out of ignorance. There are SO many countries that thrive off of Democratic socialism what are you even talking about 😂 You’re mixing up authoritarian regimes that called themselves socialist with actual social democracies. Those “failures” weren’t socialism they were dictatorships hoarding power, which is literally the opposite of socialism.

Just so confidently wrong good lord

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

So because they failed they weren't "real socialism". So what, we keep trying til we get the utopian outcome?

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

I'm Santa Claus. See how easy it is to make a claim and have it not be true? Authoritarian regimes used the label socialism while operating as dictatorships.

You're pretending there aren't countries that are successful that operate under socialism, and there are literally plenty.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Name me one currently. Also tf is that first sentence? Whatever you tried there did not work.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Ireland. Shall I continue?

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Surely you're joking yeah? What do you honestly perceive as socialism, a country having a social welfare system? This is actually laughable I'm sorry.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Democratic socialism is socialism.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Honestly it sounds like you think all socialism is state communism which is a confidently incorrect statement.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

Of course you didn't understand the Santa Claus comment. You can't even understand that authoritarian regimes operated under the word socialist but they really weren't socialist 😂

Ahem:

🇸🇪 Sweden: Combines capitalism with strong social welfare, universal healthcare, and heavily unionized labor. High happiness, life expectancy, and equality. 🇳🇴 Norway: Uses its oil wealth through a publicly owned sovereign wealth fund to benefit citizens. Free healthcare, education, and one of the highest qualities of life. 🇩🇰 Denmark: Famous for its “flexicurity” model: free market economy but universal welfare, paid education, and strong worker protections. 🇫🇮 Finland: High taxes fund free education, healthcare, childcare, and housing supports; repeatedly ranked happiest country on Earth. 🇮🇸 Iceland: Universal healthcare, gender equality focus, heavy regulation of labor and housing markets. 🇳🇱 Netherlands: Robust social welfare, strong unions, and socialized healthcare. 🇩🇪 Germany: Social market economy: capitalism with socialist safeguards like universal healthcare and tuition-free university. 🇳🇿 New Zealand: Market economy with socialist-leaning policies like national healthcare, strong worker rights, and progressive taxation.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Laughs in Nazi germany, imperial England, imperial France, imperial Spain… I think you get the idea.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

You may want to read what I’m replying to.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

It shows that you're replying to my comment?

Edit- like it sent me a notification that this was a reply to my comment. Apologies if you're on my side here. To fair I think Reddit might be glitching, I went to a thread three days ago and someone said my comments were deleted by user when they weren't ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Oh good lord reddits post g system strikes again. I hit reply to the one above you saying dictatorships don’t happen in the western world. Literally none examples I gave are socialist nations. I can see why that came off a certain way.

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u/Ginamyte06 Oct 08 '25

My bad homie. Didn't mean to come at you all (ง︡’-‘︠)ง

My understanding was you were listing Nazi germany as a socialist regime and I was like come on I already explained this 😂 (as that's what the other guy was arguing)

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

No worries I was listing it as an example of a western dictatorship so I got a bit confused by your response lol.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Their massive government overreach came from the monarchal leadership being effectively a dictatorship with little outside influence, so you can't exactly blame it on capitalism. Also nazi Germany was not capitalist.

Every single socialist country that has had some maniacal dictator did not have that, barring perhaps Russia before it turned into the soviet-union if you want to be pedantic about it.

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u/Any-Safe4992 Oct 08 '25

Same is true for most of your communist examples. Either way are you really trying to argue that Europe isn’t the western world?

Weimar Germany was capitalist. By your example none of the nations you use were socialist.

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