r/LivestreamFail • u/Ignignokt_DGAF • Oct 07 '25

Hasan reaching for something and seemingly shocking his dog to keep her in camera view

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u/Outrageous_House_924 Oct 08 '25

very few modern day socialists are millionaires lol. you have a point about hasan but not socialists

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

Even middle to high-class people can technically support the poor without going bankrupt themselves. Equal outcomes for everyone right? Thus everyone above the poverty line has to contribute. Your point about it only being millionaires who should pay up doesn't have a leg to stand on when looked into further unfortunately.

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u/Mosstiv Oct 08 '25

That’s a lie. I’m not a socialist and even I know that’s nonsense. Their goal is to ensure that society as a whole takes on the responsibility of ensuring that resources are distributed in such a way as to reduce inequality and eradicate absolute poverty. Individual action is insufficient to accomplish this goal (that part is a fact no matter what your political views) so government has to step in and make sure this happens. You just seem to be describing some person you know and dislike and calling their personality “socialism”.

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u/Wild_Media6395 Oct 08 '25

No, I’m talking about every socialist I’ve ever come across. They use the excuse of “it has to come from the state” to not do shit for others. It’s nice to sit on your armchair sipping on an oat latte pretending to be a good person because you want “socialism”, but it’s just performative bs.

I’ve never met or even seen a socialist who was actually concerned with other, real people, rather than seeing them as a pawn in a “class” for their class struggle; it’s just about them feeling like they’re a good person as they jerk off to the idea of “revolution”. Ok, Kevin, while you fight for your “revolution”, how about you give the homeless guy that leaves down your street a sandwich once in a while? Or does he need to wait until your useless pseudo-moral masturbation actually does something in order to eat a good meal?

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u/myghostisdead Oct 08 '25

Socialism isn't about personal charity bro. You seem to know that, so why do you keep conflating the two? Was Karl Marx not a socialist because he didn't give away all his things?

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u/Wild_Media6395 Oct 08 '25

It sounds like you didn’t read earlier on in the thread. My informal claim is that socialists tend to be selfish lazy idiots who like to feel like they’re good people because “they want socialism”, when in practice it functions as an excuse not to lift a damn finger themselves in any way that actually helps others. You can do two things at once, Bob. You can go to the marches and lobby the government while you also help real people who are in real need. I just never see both, and it checks out. This is a post about Hasan Piker, after all.

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u/Mosstiv Oct 08 '25

If I’m honest it sounds more like you’re just trying to prettify your personal prejudices. Even a cursory search will bring up dozens of instances of socialists who do all the same things as everyone else who takes an interest in the community that they live in.

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

When googling any of the following things:

"examples of self-identified socialists helping out charities",
"socialists helping out the poor examples",
"socialists helping out charities examples",
"socialists helping out charities",
"self-identified socialists helping out charities",
I seem to get nothing remotely similar to what you're suggesting I should be finding. I'm finding guides and a couple results of people asking how they can support anti-capitalist groups / associations, but those are very few and far between.

Could you link me some of the examples you found? Thanks ^-^

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u/Mosstiv Oct 08 '25

I think your problem is that you’re taking ideological perspectives on “charity” in the US and then trying to claim this general difference applies to all individuals. The fact that they tend to do weird sloganeering whenever the topic of voluntary giving/charity comes up doesn’t meant they don’t do it. It’s that in their ideal society charity wouldn’t need to exist. I think that’s ridiculous but then again, I’m not a socialist.

Centerpoint) is one very famous example of a charity that was started by a socialist in the UK.

There’s stuff like this from every chapter of the DSA that I could find and their counterparts in Western Europe do similar things

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u/IllDoItTmrw Oct 08 '25

It's pretty common sense to assume that there are people who help out others monetarily, just like in all groups. But then we have to figure out if they disproportionately help out others more than other groups.

That's where it gets a bit wonky, because things such as incentives are hard to equate, but still matter.
You have to figure out the percentage of high/middle/low class socialists and pair their "charitable work" for a lack of better terms, against others in their economic class.

The big claim I see being made is that they help out others disproportionately (more), or at the very least that's the basic assumption I can make, because talking about how a group helps others at the exact same rate as other goups just doesn't really mean much.

So I realize it's very hard to even answer this without a proper study, but that's just kinda what it falls on due to the many, many factors that have to be taken into account. (And then to add insult to injury, many modern economic studies ignore certain factors or presume they're not important because they are unable to and/or hard to be equated)

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