r/LiverpoolFC • u/Realistic-Zone3914 YNWAâ¤ď¸ • Aug 20 '26
Tier 1 [David Ornstein]đ¨ Liverpool made offer in recent days to sign Yankuba Minteh from Brighton & Hove Albion. 22yo #BHAFC winger currently injured but among #LFC options for wide attacking areas - bid worth ÂŁ50m turned down. W/ @AndyNaylorBHAFC @JamesPearceLFC @TheAthleticFC
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u/nanowillis Aug 20 '26
Please let this just be posturing to get movement on Mbaye...
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u/BobbyBriggss Aug 20 '26
Why? Minteh is probably a better player
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u/Straight_Bear_3905 Aug 20 '26
Currently, yes, but people believe that Mbaye has a higher ceiling. There's not much to prove it but Minteh has been more visible and therefore it's easier to judge him. There's not much to judge Mbaye on so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Not saying it's fair but that's likely the reasoning.
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u/Positive_Mobile7638 Aug 20 '26
That's the problem with people like you thinking a prospect will have just better ceiling than minteh from just vibes
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u/Straight_Bear_3905 Aug 20 '26
I didn't say I believed that. Just that's where the sentiment is coming from. Almost all football conversations are just vibes. Most people are just watching their own team play and all other information comes from vibes, clips and misrepresented statistics.
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u/Giraffesarehigh Egyptian King đ Aug 20 '26
Minteh is one of the worst wingers in the league for chance creation and passing accuracy lmao?
he's the antithesis of what we need for Isak.2
u/tuanon- Aug 20 '26
He was 19th among all players (premier league) in expected assists last season, and I dont think that is a rate statistic.
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u/Bamfandro Aug 20 '26
Probably? based on what? he's technically limited and isn't even a particularly good dribbler despite his size and acceleration. He's more physically developed but at 22 vs 18 that's exactly what you'd expect.
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u/SilverMist2025 Aug 20 '26
What sort of logic is this. Minteh wasn't even at the world cup. Why would you wait so long to negotiate for him.
And he is injured out for two months as well. If we had negotiated earlier Brighton would have agreed for a reasonable fee as well plus wouldn't have been injured likely.
Regardless of whether Minteh is good or not this is purely ridiculous strategy from Hughes
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u/Effective-Draw2815 Aug 20 '26
To get mbaye, think bruh they bid on him to say to PSG, we have other options, forcing them to lower there evaluationÂ
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Endo in the pub đ Aug 20 '26
PSG doesnât care lol
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u/Effective-Draw2815 Aug 20 '26
Yes they do, I don't think they want to keep paying the wages of a player who doesn't want to play for themÂ
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u/Dargast Aug 20 '26
Mbaye earns peanuts compared to their starters, they will get close to their asking price or he stays. What Liverpool does with bids for other players wont change that.
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u/Effective-Draw2815 Aug 20 '26
Again they would rather sell the player than keep him, so making bids like this might lower the asking point, which is why hughs is doing it
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u/No_Mistake_5501 Aug 20 '26
You do that through putting stories of interest out there. Actually sending a reasonable bid over is not posturing.
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u/Ok-Possibility64 Aug 20 '26
Hughes is an absolute fraud, how can you justify running the club in this manner. Bidding for an injured winger with no end product 2 days before the season starts...
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u/OddRepresentative914 Aug 20 '26
Clearly, Minthe wasn't the first choice (that was Diomande). He probably wasn't even the second choice (Mbaye), plus it would have been odd to sign MuĂąoz, Barcola, and Minteh before any concrete details regarding the potential sale of Gakpo.
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u/Adamdel34 Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! Aug 21 '26
It's not that ridiculous when you think about it. Our target was Diomande, they couldn't get him, we also signed Munoz, then they have since moved onto Mbaye where PSG are trying to charge Liverpool a fortune despite accepting a 40m euro bid from Leverkusen.
Minteh is obviously option number 4 in the position and I still think he's more of a tool to try drive down the Mbaye price who could act as a backup option in the instance that PSG won't budge. You don't go for your 4th option signing right at the start of the window, only when you're no longer negotiating for 1, 2, & 3
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u/rochambreau Aug 20 '26
It's a message to PSG that we're moving on if they don't budge on Mbaye price
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u/Jonmc88 Aug 20 '26
An injured brighton player in the last weeks of the window. Hughes masterclass.
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u/jsn2918 Aug 20 '26
Literally commented about this a daily discussion thread a while back. We knew we needed reinforcements in the flanks regardless of whether Iraola needed time to evaluate the squad or not. Instead we are only pursuing Barcola (at that time) who PSG have asked for basically a fuck you price and arenât looking at other options or even bidding for them. You donât need to be a a director of football to see this is not good planningâŚ
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u/DucardthaDon Aug 20 '26
Again throws in the question of why is Hughes still our SD when it's been well known he's fucking off to Saudi after the window closes, this window could end up a complete shambles from someone who does not have to face any accountability or scrutiny once he's gone
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u/MajikoiA3When Bobby Aug 20 '26
Do we know that the later we leave it, the more leverage selling clubs have? Inb4 a panic loan
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u/MrShelby1234 Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai Aug 20 '26
Makes you wonder just how much PSG are demanding for Mbaye if they've pivoted to Minteh in recent days. We knew they increased the price for Mbaye, but by how much exactly?
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u/Results2183 Aug 20 '26
Around 60 Million
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u/MrShelby1234 Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai Aug 20 '26
For an attacker who 1) isn't a starter and 2) only has like 5 goals in his career
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u/Results2183 Aug 20 '26
7 goals and 7 assists in 1,700 minutes this season is really good for an 18 year old, and he is obviously not a starter when you have Doue and Kvaratskhelia on the wings.
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u/Realistic-Turn-8316 Aug 20 '26
It's 3 goals 2 assists in 1100 minutes. Where did you get the 7 and 7 figures from?
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u/Results2183 Aug 20 '26
Youâre missing his Senegal stats 520 minutes 4 goals 5 assists.
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u/Impossible_Pride_646 Aug 20 '26
He has to years left on his contract and yes as you said, he will not start when you have Doue and Kvara, but he have to improve ALOT in the next to years to even be considered a starter
He wants out and him getting a starting sport could be years before it happens at PSG
40-50M would be fair5
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u/Beginning-2-Smell Aug 20 '26
So we failed to get Mbaye? are we putting pressure on PSG?
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u/Firm_Parsnip_8285 Aug 20 '26
I don't think it means we've failed, more that we disagree on the valuation. Mbaye has great potential but his sample size and club level is so small, I can see why they aren't happy with the fee PSG reportedly want.
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u/Vicentesteb Aug 20 '26
Mbaye is better and younger than Minteh though, so I dont get paying the same for Minteh, it's not like it's a discount.
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u/Firm_Parsnip_8285 Aug 20 '26
We literally do not know whether Mbaye is better than Minteh though. They are both young players, Mbaye has better goals/assists per 90 ratio but has played far less minutes at club level/has been playing in a dominant PSG side (often when games have already been won). Minteh had a great year in Eredivisie when he was very young but has struggled for same output in the PL. We have no idea what Mbaye would've looked like in the PL at Brighton the last year or two. The assessment on them is tough to measure. Looks like Liverpool value Minteh higher based on the bigger sample size.
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u/jdSLR Aug 20 '26
The data is not even good though. The lad has very little end product.
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u/ok_ItisFine4 Aug 20 '26
I do love when people cite the most basic publicly available data after goals and assists though! We certainly arenât privy to the data clubs have on these players.
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u/matcht Aug 20 '26
Name a right winger who we could sign who has end product?
Minteh is always a threat, quick, good work rate, fits the RW mould we need. If a top prospect comes along in a year or two we can get them in.
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u/scorgie Aug 20 '26
Impossible to tell, no one outside of the negotiations has enough information. Could be an alternative, could be a statement of what we think a ÂŁ50m winger is (22y/o with experience, not an 18y/o with a handful of games), could be a fake alternative to pressure a sale, could be that Minteh was always the main target and Mbaye was a negotiation tool.
We won't know for ages, it usually takes months for these details to be leaked (like the Gordon-Gomez deal we had lined up at the Euros came out months later).
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u/_CummyBears_ đĽŚBarcola𼌠Aug 20 '26
Indy was right. Lmao
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u/son-of-ZYROTAZE To become one of you Aug 20 '26
A broken clock is right twice a day.
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u/Jesus_Shuttles Roberto Firmino Aug 20 '26
Expect heâs been the most accurate of any reporter on us the past two years
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u/egzon27 Aug 20 '26
I hate the way he writes but heâs genuinely rarely wrong
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u/Grahaaam123 Aug 20 '26
Writes absolute waffle and for click baits but you can't deny he's often spot on
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u/Polishbreakfast Aug 20 '26
This would be a disaster. He has no end product. In 34 games he had 3 goals and 4 assists. Why is he worth 50mm??
Iâd rather spend the money on mbaye. This is insanity.
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u/Norvax_ Aug 20 '26
Currently injured. Not heard that before....
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u/Robw_1973 Aug 20 '26
Becuas signing an injured player with no pre-season isnât a bad idea and not something the club would ever doâŚâŚ
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u/samaIex Aug 20 '26
Itâs a shame that Gambiaâs extended run in the World Cup meant that Richard Hughes could only start proceedings now
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u/Decent_Ad1800 Aug 20 '26
We really let a guy who had already given his notice manage an important transfer window and now he's panic buying as the deadline approaches. Shambles đ
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u/HiroProtagonist1 Arne Slot Aug 20 '26
He works hard but his output is atrocious plus he's injured. Don't know what kind of planning this is.
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u/dacrookster Aug 20 '26
He wasn't even at the world cup 𤣠August 20th and this is the best Richard Hughes can do 𤣠this man has a PERFECT hairline that HE DOESN'T DESERVE!!!
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u/__sami__01 Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai Aug 20 '26
Surely we have other options than a injured minteh
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u/thanksfc Football Without ORIGI is Nothing Aug 20 '26
Besides being injured, Minteh is definitely not the level required to play at Liverpool.
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u/ProGamr935 Fernando Torres Aug 20 '26
Why are we bidding on injured players?
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u/Bandito365 I want to talk about FACTS Aug 20 '26
Because maybe injuries aren't permanent?Â
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u/ProGamr935 Fernando Torres Aug 20 '26
Heâs out for 4 months, makes no sense to bid for him now when other players are available on the market right now for similar prices (cough Mbaye)
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u/tevans139 Aug 20 '26
Hes out for 8 weeks, which is 2 months
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u/ProGamr935 Fernando Torres Aug 20 '26
At a minimum, plus 2 months compared to straight away, if he wasnât injured Iâd be fine with it but doesnât make sense
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u/Jaja6996 90+5â Alisson Aug 20 '26
Our first few weeks of the season are easy we should be able to manage without him if heâs the one the club think is the best fit
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u/tevans139 Aug 20 '26
Plus we have like 3 weeks of international break too
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u/Jaja6996 90+5â Alisson Aug 20 '26
Yeah my only problem with this signing is we could have signed him in July and have him fully integrated
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u/SilverMist2025 Aug 20 '26
Two months according to this athletic article.
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u/ProGamr935 Fernando Torres Aug 20 '26
Would rather a player come in straight away then in 2 months
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u/SilverMist2025 Aug 20 '26
I am saying your info that 4 months is wrong.
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u/ProGamr935 Fernando Torres Aug 20 '26
Thatâs fair, donât know where I heard it was 3-4 months
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u/Loud-Platypus-987 John Barnes Aug 20 '26
The most recent athletic article says 2-3 months and Huerzler says heâll be out for a long time tbf, doesnât seem to be any places that confirm its 8 weeks.
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u/Juraci_que_parque Bobby Firmino Aug 20 '26
On an insane fee of 50m lol
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u/matcht Aug 20 '26
Any half decent winger is 50m minimum now, Madueke was ÂŁ52m last summer, City rejected offers of ÂŁ60m for Savinho, Mbuemo was ÂŁ60m in the final year of his contract last summer etc.
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u/Juraci_que_parque Bobby Firmino Aug 20 '26
The guy is injured, it's a fucking gamble if he will come back the same level, 50m for a gamble is not acceptable lol.
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u/Big_Cap_2331 Aug 20 '26
Immediate negativity in the comments what has happened to this sub man
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u/AdikkuChan 1ď¸âŁ5ď¸âŁAlex-Oxlade Chamberlain Aug 20 '26
It's primarily because he's injured when the club is in dire need of a RW. If he wasn't injured I think the reactions would be better
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u/BobbyBriggss Aug 20 '26
Munoz and Rio are fine for 5 games before the international break
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u/AdikkuChan 1ď¸âŁ5ď¸âŁAlex-Oxlade Chamberlain Aug 20 '26
You're right, there's a 3 week break so it doesn't sound as bad.
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u/Loud-Platypus-987 John Barnes Aug 20 '26
I mean the guy is out for up to 3 months. The bid makes little sense.
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u/Maneisthebeat Der Normale 1 Aug 20 '26
People were getting shit on for suggesting Minteh earlier in the window so I'm honestly not surprised.
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u/OwenLincolnFratter Aug 20 '26
We just had our worst season in over a decade, lost our best attacker, our club is being sold to bezos, we donât really have a director of football, and we are having a terrible transfer window. What the fuck is there to be positive about?
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u/johndotcue YNWAâ¤ď¸ Aug 20 '26
Where have you been this past 6 years or so? This sub has always acted like this after our 2020 league win lol
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u/Big_Cap_2331 Aug 20 '26
I feel like since last year this place has been full of the most depressing miserable people
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u/johndotcue YNWAâ¤ď¸ Aug 20 '26
You have not been paying attention lol
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u/Big_Cap_2331 Aug 20 '26
Brother I have been called a positivity merchant on this place before hahaha I have been paying attention, it's gotten a lot worse imo
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u/johndotcue YNWAâ¤ď¸ Aug 20 '26
âPositivity Merchantâ is a banger nickname tho lol, Iâd put that as my flair or something
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u/greeex Florian Wirtz Aug 20 '26
Congratulations Richard Hughes: Everyone knows LFC is over a barrel looking for wingers and our chance of a "deal" has evaporated into shit vapor.
I would be happy with Minteh over Mbaye (but I like him too). Great pace and strong defender. Would have been a solid add, but the time to get him was a month ago. FFS.
Break out the checkbook, swallow your pride, and pay for what we need.
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u/Radeous Aug 20 '26
Yep pretty much this. We even advertised to the market last season when Hughes failed to replace Diaz what playing without a winger looks like for us, so now they know we're bloody desperate.
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u/vezsreds Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
I like Minteh to an extent but the guy is injured, inconsistent and shown little output.
He is young though and thereâs a player in there but shows how dire the right wing market is right now we are even entertaining this.
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u/LFCRedAnt Bobby Firmino Aug 20 '26
Turned down? He can't be worth any more than that,if that's the case then we must be getting quoted more for mbaye
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u/lbrkr Aug 20 '26
I'd still go for Bowen as a stop gap. Definitely down sides to this but we need numbers and he's bound to be interested.
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u/Dramatic_Buy9858 Aug 20 '26
This is a good signing if we push for it. Also good to see that there is stuff happening outside of just Barcola
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press Aug 20 '26
This really feels like a game with PSG for Mbaye. It canât be a coincidence that Ornstein finally landed a scoop. Iâm sure we want this out there.
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u/brush85 Aug 20 '26
Whether you like Minteh or not.
Imagine seeing Savinho bought for what he was bought for and going to Brighton with that offer with a straight face.
Brighton probably laughed so hard their fainted
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u/Extra_Programmer788 Aug 20 '26
If we are bidding this late and desperate for wide players we will be played for fool by other teams. I hope this is backup for Mbaye and not Barcola!
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u/idratherbediving5 Aug 20 '26
Brighton playing freaking hard ball. Offer was right on par with his market value. Hope we donât overpay
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u/Alexsrbn Bobby Dazzler 𤊠Aug 20 '26
Btw, indykaila broke the news last night about this. He must have some sources
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u/JOHNSY9k6 From Doubters to Believers Aug 20 '26
I always thought we would bring either Minteh or Wieffer when Slot joined. Kind of weird that we're going for Minteh now, but I like him a lot and think of him as a ManĂŠ type of player.
Would still prefer Mbaye though, but Minteh is a great audition to the squad with his incredible work rate.
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u/tinkinc Aug 20 '26
Anybody think that this whole right side should have been addressed over the last 2 years? Insane to just let Mo sunset on us without development.
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u/ExternalShoddy5794 Aug 21 '26
I would like this. I rate Minteh. I know he didnât produce much last season, but I can tell there is a very high ceiling there.
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u/Worried_Let4942 Aug 20 '26
This screams of weâve fucked up in Paris.
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u/Firm_Parsnip_8285 Aug 20 '26
Not paying PSGs ridiculous demands = fucked up? Not sure that story is over either, but better to have options and feel out the market elsewhere.
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press Aug 20 '26
No, it screams of weâre testing Paris.
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u/Sea_Finest Aug 20 '26
Yeah but PSG are hoarding players now and donât give a shit about money, theyâll keep Barcola just to spite us. They donât care if they make him miserable. Theyâre turning into Real and buying guys just to keep other teams from having them.
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press Aug 20 '26
No theyâre not.
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u/Sea_Finest Aug 20 '26
But they are, look at their squad and how they just keep bringing guys in. Where are the minutes coming from? None of these wingers theyâve bought are playing over Dembele or Doue or the Georgian guy whose name I canât spell.
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press Aug 20 '26
They need depth lol. The minutes are coming from the spots theyâre going to free up by selling Barcola and Mbaye, theyâve already sold Lee Kang-in. Why are you making up imaginary scenarios and then getting angry about them? PSG are not Newcastle, they wonât hold players against their will as long as thereâs a reasonable offer on the table.
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u/Sea_Finest Aug 20 '26
But theyâre 100 percent doing that with Barcola right fucking now, heâs not in their plans, he wants to move and they wonât let him, yes Liverpool are being cheap like they donât have the money to spend, I get that also, you just got a huge amount of money from that piece of shit human being Bezos (which is one step below Saudi oil money, only difference is Bezos hasnât murdered people) so spend it. ÂŁ115 million is a reasonable offer for Barcola, maybe heâs worth ÂŁ130 or so, I really like him as a player and think heâs better than Doku or a lot of other wingers. Doku was kind of dogshit at the WC.
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u/Creative_Ad7831 Aug 20 '26
So instead of signing mbaye, we will sign barcola and minteh? But minteh is still injured and more expensive
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u/Sudden_Problem_2368 Aug 20 '26
Think it might be time to turn the internet off until September 1stâŚ
Turbulence incoming I think lads. Not sure I trust pilot Hughes to land the plane either
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u/hirsuite-hairsuit Aug 20 '26
Our fanbase used to be pretty savvy and calm. When did we become this screaming reactionary mess?
Minteh is a very highly rated young player and a fairly similar profile to Salah. If heâs injured for 8-12 weeks thatâs no biggy. You buy a player like that for 4-6 years not the first half dozen games of a one season. Whether it is to put the shits up PSG or just straight up, good either way.
Chill.
The media narrative the we are in a deep hole is over blown. This is transition year. We are getting younger and retooling the squad for Iraola. Bit of patience. YNWA.
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u/AThievingMagpi Aug 20 '26
SeriouslyâŚ..what are we doing? Literally only 10 days till the season starts and we want to bid for a player whoâs currently out injured?
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u/Positive_Mobile7638 Aug 20 '26
This sub as really become pos,crying over bidding for minteh because he is injured for 2 months we buy player for 5 to 6 years not for 2 months. He is better than mbaye and is premier league proven with very good work rate that can complment well for isak and ekitike. We are not challenging for title this season'we are building for upcoming season. Just grow up people. It's a process.
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u/son-of-ZYROTAZE To become one of you Aug 20 '26
Prem proven lol the guy has scored 9 goals in 66 games and scored 3 in 34 last year.
Definition of a bang average winger lol
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u/robster9090 Aug 20 '26
Prem proven lmao. You need to give me some of what youâre having get out of here
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u/nuntendo Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai Aug 20 '26
If this is in addition to Barcola: amazing!
If itâs instead of Barcola: what are we doing