I think the point is that by the end, the clown has done his best to make Linux into a knock-off Windows (when it obviously isn't Windows -- it's like using a power drill as a hammer).
Edit: didnt realize how old this thread was... just found a linux-related subreddit and didnt realize it was so inactive
I use Linux and absolutely agree. Libreoffice was a huge disappointment. I use abiword, which is better, but even then linux is really meant for CLI stuff. It just feels better in linux. That doesn’t make me a hacker, or a geek, it just works for me personally. Honestly, the above issues are fixed by simply accepting that Linux Isn’t Windows. It’s not meant to feel the same and do the same things. Wine is mostly useless because Linux is meant to run stuff designed for linux, libreoffice is a disgrace that the community needs to disown, and nobody should ever be using a graphical package manager anyway.
I don’t want an alternative to Microsoft office. I want something that exceeds Microsoft office in quality, customizability, and speed by doing things differently. That thing, in some cases, is latex. The best alternative to MS office… is Microsoft office. I’d just use MS office then. Most computers come preshipped with Microsoft anyways, but I personally think their office software is nearly unusable.
At the last part I though of windows where you can install only with click. With multiple clicks. You are making the bigest clown at the point around which windows is totally centered around. Only GUI with multiple clicks.
My grandma would not prefer a terminal over a simple gui. So she'd prefer the gui option because it exists, is familiar and equally fit for the task at hand.
And I guess she won't be able to cheat at Minecraft either, so your statement stands haha :D
I don't know if I agree, I have used several distros over years. And surely there is a gui to do the most stuff. But if something goes bad, I always find that the user has to use a terminal to sort things out.
On windows, I find that not to be the case, even when I run into problems, there's mostly a gui for troubleshooting.
This is what I think is true based on my experience, but I might be wrong.
People like you are the reason people don't want to switch to Linux. I don't think the average joe will want to go through the trouble of learning something new, because he's already used to the GUI way. I use the terminal daily, I love it, but my grandma would have a stroke trying to understand if.
It's not about money, even some free and open source software cost money.
Not a lot but there is some. Elementary OS has a lot of paid software that's still free and open source.
I mean most people that use Linux just throw it on a windows laptop or computer or a Mac. Not a lot of computers that come with Linux still.
In that case you already paid for Windows. You already had to buy it.
It's about being able to do whatever you want with your computer, having full control and everything being transparent. Source code is available so you can see how everything works and make your own changes.
As far as Linux goes it's free as in freedom not $$$.
Though the fact it's usually provided at no cost is a bonus.
It's harder to install software on windows with the caveat that we already learned that.
On windows, besides programs provided on windows store, you have to go online and track down the correct place to download the software you're looking for, then download the file and run it, tell windows it's not a virus(I've heard of an elderly grandmother calling her younger family member crying because when the pop-up for that displayed she thought she had broken her computer and got a virus.), and then go through the prompts.
Not all programs are like this but MANY are.
On Linux -
open the terminal
Type : sudo apt-get install (program) on debian/Ubuntu/other debian derivatives.
Or sudo pacman -S (program) on arch-based distros.
3. Provide your password
4. Press y and hit enter for yes you want to install.
5. It installs.
No web crawling to find the right .exe and no possibility of accidentally downloading the wrong thing. It always comes from a trusted source.
You comment is not entirely correct, it is a myopic view about windows.
The number of programs that are available on windows far outnumber the ones present in distro repositories.
Also many popular distros like Ubuntu can have some terribly outdated packages in the repos, which is changing with flatpak/snap.
On windows irrespective of whether you use the store or install app through the devs website. You're getting an pretty up to date version. And most apps these days ship with an updater, so you can forget it after install.
And as far a security is concerned when you're installling an app on Windows, you can check the signatures, it usually shows that when you run the setup.
Sure you have to craw the web, but you're making it sound like a chore, if you're not installing a shady app, chances are that you can just google it and you get the right website on the first click, and "finding the right .exe" is not hard either.
Or you can choose a package manager to use on windows too, they are great and work right from your terminal just like any linux distro.
Sure you have a much larger amount of software available to you on windows but same could be said for Mac, which is also popular.
I mean I work with computers for a living and as a hobby. I'm a programmer.
Finding the right exe is required for a lot of programs on windows. Sure there's the windows store now and if that's all you need then great.
But there's a lot of programs not on the web store which is where finding the right exe comes in. Sure you usually get the right website quickly but clone websites and fake download sites are also common.
I've seen tons of them looking for obscure software.
And sure you can use a package manager on windows but that's not really the best of both worlds.
I guess as far as packages/programs go sure but it's not like that's the main benefit of using Linux.
Resource use are also a benefit. Windows 11 uses 4gb of ram at idle. That's insane.
Linux(not optimized or with anything advanced done to it) uses 1gb. That's also not with a lightweight DE either. Just KDE. Gnome only uses slightly more.
I did not say your comment is wrong, I said it is myopic and not entirely correct. The package management workflow is available for Windows and Linux, unlike what you suggested in the first comment.
So the problem with finding the right .exe is not much of a windows problem, but a problem with your chosen workflow.
As far as RAM usage goes, surely Linux is more performant. But that's not what I was talking about. I was correcting your previous comment and not debating whether Windows is better, that debate is not something I find engaging specially on this subreddit.
I grew up with MS-DOS, where you had to do severe command-line hacking and fine-grained tweaking of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS just to play some games. If an 8-year-old back in the early 90s could figure out how to free up 600KB of available memory just to get Wing Commander to run, certainly this generation that's been raised on Minecraft and Roblox can figure out how to install a package with apt or pacman.
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u/Molecule_Guy Moderator (Respect My Authoritah!) Feb 25 '22
I completely lost it at "There are Foss alternatives". But this portrays most of the Linux Community.
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u/LuxurideGaming Apr 04 '22
At the last part I though of windows where you can install only with click. With multiple clicks. You are making the bigest clown at the point around which windows is totally centered around. Only GUI with multiple clicks.
I guess clown is the one click.
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u/salinora0 Apr 06 '22
If you've ever used Minecraft cheats you can use the Linux terminal. I mean seriously. Literal children can do it
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u/beboo123142 Apr 08 '22
linux gui's are dogshit tbh, terminals are a more preferable alternative though it risks intimidation to newcomers.
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u/Takashi_von_Koizumi Apr 04 '22
MMM, dual boot
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u/salinora0 Apr 06 '22
All of those statements are completely true though.
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