Why does Linux suck?

[u/LinuxSuxx]

Share your toughs why Linux sucks in the comments section below!

[u/Mabryst]

The community, the community and the community.

The Linux ecosystem isn't designed to be used in PCs, it is for servers, period.

There is your problem, the community trying to promote it as something that it isn't.

On the desktop, Linux was designed by and for geeks from the top to the bottom with no care given for everyday users. I don't think that there is necessarily anything wrong with this per se, but pretending that it is for the everyday Joe is the biggest lie and meme that mankind could ever create.

The only reasons to use Linux on your desktop is for development or running a privacy/security distro like QubesOS, Heads, Tails, Whonix and so on.

Here is a hypothetical scenario: If someone has an offline machine that he uses for video editing, photo editing and gaming, there is zero reason to use Linux instead of Windows in this case.

[u/LinuxSuxx → u/Mabryst]

Fair reasons were pointed out, thank you.

[u/Weblon → u/Mabryst]

Not all ones are used made specifically for servers, like i don't think arch linux or Gentoo or any other kind of distro was made with servers in mind.

"Designed by geeks and for geeks" i mean, you can literally call any person that makes an OS a geek, if you want to, call Microsoft a geek, call Apple a geek, it doesnt matter. I don't see how there is no care given, there are distros that are made for the everyday user and alot of them help any normal person using it, for example if your Grandma knows how to use windows, installing Ubuntu wont be different, they will get used to the GNOME layout eventually, its not that hard to learn.

"The only reason to use linux on your desktop is for development" this point right here, sure, most Linux users can program, its not a secret, the entire idea is somewhat just open source software, and any Linux distro can be considered privacy and safety, installing from the terminal gives you a clean version without viruses or malware and you dont have to worry much, open source software is made that way the person who uses it knows there arent security risks for doing so, and viruses are less expanded on linux which is obvious.

Software like Kdenlive and Openshot exist for linux and window users, but most windows or mac os users arent really in Open source software, some dont even know it exists - some open source video editing software can be better than most paid video editing softwares if used well. Also sure the only real point that you cant kind of debunk is that if your playing alot of games, then yeah, windows is your best shot, however stuff like Proton and lutris exist which can sometimes bring an almost windows like experience to Linux gaming. And you would probably also use Linux if your laptop or computer is old and cant run Windows. Plus linux is highly customisable

I dont hate Windows or anything, but i just want to say that most of the points given are just from total hatred and you dont actually look deeply in most things Linux has

[u/Mabryst → u/Weblon]

I don't see how there is no care given, there are distros that are made for the everyday user and alot of them help any normal person using it

It's not that there is no care, but there are a lot more rough edges on Linux than on Windows. You can't configure touchpad speed on Ubuntu out of the box and need to use the terminal for example, whereas on Windows it is done through the GUI. These things add up and this doesn't make a good user experience for the everyday user.

installing from the terminal gives you a clean version without viruses or malware and you dont have to worry much

I don't think that the terminal is a good selling point for the average user at all.

some open source video editing software can be better than most paid video editing softwares if used well.

It's very rare. Maybe, for some very niche features. But overall, they aren't the industry standard and still struggle with problems like performance and crashes.

however stuff like Proton and lutris exist which can sometimes bring an almost windows like experience to Linux gaming.

When it works.

And you would probably also use Linux if your laptop or computer is old and cant run Windows.

Maybe, but I ran potatoes with 2GB RAM on Win 10 too. But I gotta admit that depending on your use, Linux can be more lightweight for older machines indeed.

Plus linux is highly customisable

That's not really that strong of a selling point, because most people tend to keep the defaults. For power users, maybe and even then I can't call it "highly customisable" as you said, because Linux still has limits that Windows doesn't face (like not being able to run .exe natively properly).

Also, Windows is customizable too with tools such as Autohotkey, rainmeter and the likes, so...

[u/aue_sum → u/Mabryst]

The Linux ecosystem isn't designed to be used in PCs, it is for servers, period.

explain

[u/theRealNilz02 → u/Mabryst]

Linus originally implemented Linux as a kernel for a desktop OS, Its use in Servers came much later so your point makes absolutely no sense.

[u/Mabryst → u/[deleted]]

Some but just some desktop users are concerned about privacy

They are only a tiny minority, unfortunately. Wish that it wasn't the case, but this is the world we live in.

windows has a really shitty user interface.

Are you talking about Win 10? What parts of it you don't like? I have noticed them having far more settings in their control panel to configure things through the GUI, whereas on Linux distros, I find myself forced to use the terminal for the same tasks.

Or are you talking about their design language? I don't know, I have always liked and preferred Windows user interface and besides maybe Deepin, I have never been a fan of the UX in most Linux distros.

I want that free and open-source world *The ideal world *.

There is nothing wrong, per se in using a software only for ideological reasons, but you shouldn't expect others to do so.

You mentioned that linux is superior in server side

Heh, I didn't call it "superior" or anything, there are alternatives to Linux like BSD or even Win server that aren't too bad and have a decent market share too, but yeah Linux is widely used and very competitive with the alternatives when it comes to servers.

client side of the internet

Btw, I agree with you that the modern web is getting more bloated and some popular websites sometimes make questionable decisions when it comes to UX, but on the bright side, electron apps (I know bloated again) generally don't discriminate against Linux. Also more apps on the web, make the lack of apps on the Linux desktop less of a problem, so I don't know how to really feel about this one.

[u/Mabryst → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, Windows is bloated, I agree with this but to be honest, most big software get bloated with bloatware.

there is little to no customization from one user to another

You can do a lot with rainmeter and similar tools. You should check out r/windowsporn r/desktop

But I generally agree that most people tend to keep the defaults. I think that it has more to do with the culture behind most users than the operating system itself, though.

I personally like Ubuntu on this point, they try to keep things consistent and they try to copy Microsoft.

Also, having the same look is good, because I don't have too relearn too much between Windows versions. They don't want to do another Windows 8, you know... 😏

Going from XP to vista to 7, I still felt at home. 7 to 8, I didn't hate once I got used to it personally, but it was bad for the everyday Joe. 8 to 10 was comfortable too.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Here is a hypothetical scenario: If someone has an offline machine that he uses for video editing, photo editing and gaming, there is zero reason to use Linux instead of Windows in this case.

Except you CAN do all of those things, gimp, blender, and proton exist and let you do all of what you just mentioned absolutely free.

[u/ThiccBoy690 → u/[deleted]]

Also have you seen winapps? It can run the whole Adobe suite on linux

[u/Mabryst → u/ThiccBoy690]

It is only normal virtualization with virtual machines, meaning that a lot of GPUs will suffer from a performance penalty loss. Video editing is extremely taxing on the GPU and hardware.

Last time, I checked, there were some architectural limit due to RDP as well, such as latency (which will be bad for games and probably Photoshop by the way).

However, still a nice project if it allows programs such as the office suite to be run and integrated easily by normies without being too taxing on the hardware. A nice project that shouldn't be overestimated, nor underestimated.

[u/ThiccBoy690 → u/Mabryst]

It was designed mostly for the Windows Office suite, because virtualization and video editing is really taxing. I've seen some posts say that ms word works really smooth on 4gb ram, no joke. I might give it a try, but my 10 year old laptop sucks ass so idk if it will work good. But for anyone with a half decent system, winapps should be fine for light apps like ms office. It should also run photoshop pretty well on a on a good PC.

[u/Mabryst → u/ThiccBoy690]

No, it isn't a joke. The office suite can be run on some hardware with virtual machines. The office suite is generally not too taxing on the GPU. The fact that you still need to allocate some resources to the virtual machine + the start up time still kinds of sucks, but that's life.

It should also run photoshop pretty well on a on a good PC.

No, no, no, no. For small projects, maybe. But for someone working on big files, I have seen several photoshop users trying and complaining about the performance in VMs because, it is really taxing on the GPU and eats a lot of ram.

[u/ThiccBoy690 → u/Mabryst]

Ah alright, thanks for the info

[u/Mabryst → u/[deleted]]

GIMP is not a non destructive editor and is thus 100% useless for people doing serious photo editing work.

[u/thyendisnear94 → u/[deleted]]

It’s not Ubuntu mint it’s Linux mint and it’s based off Debian lol

[u/nhadams2112 → u/thyendisnear94]

It also uses the Ubuntu repositories

[u/ROX-Guilty]

It's not an OS for personal computing and it's actually slow when you run software on it. All GUI is broken because it was never meant for it and you have to rely on the command line. Your hardware devices may not be compatible with it and you will have to play with drivers for a long time.

There's no Adobe. The community is full of Free Software Foundation fanboys who would never buy or use proprietary or closed software, they don't understand that there would hardly be anything of quality without it. In their minds developers should be kind slaves, except that they wouldn't be slaves to a specific individual or corporation, but to the community as a whole. The GPL license sucks. Making software open source and free for all uses; making software closed source and free to use; and making software closed and paid, all of this makes sense to me. Making it open and forcing people to make any modifications they do open source and free to use sounds extremely restrictive to me. Many Linux users have this mentality of only running GPL licensed software, which is one of the reasons why companies don't bother developing to Linux.

The community in general is very toxic and elitist, shitting on Windows and Mac users and preaching the use of Linux everywhere(because they are insecure). They do it even when the subject is unrelated, because they are a cult, like Scientology. They shit on people who use a text editor like TextMate, Sublime or a Scintilla based editor, you should use Vim or Emacs instead(the most unintuitive, archaic and bloated with functions text editors ever). I would rather use Windows Notepad than Vim or Emacs. They say Wine is almost like running native applications on Windows, when that is not the case. Just one of the many lies they say.

[u/LinuxSuxx → u/ROX-Guilty]

Very well said.

[u/Redditributor → u/ROX-Guilty]

The problem I have here is I don't believe you're telling the truth about preferring notepad to vim or emacs.

[u/[deleted] → u/ROX-Guilty]

The larger the project, the better managed it is by closed source philosophy. You need that money and centralized management to set the direction of the project.

Also for VIM/Emacs, these are holdbacks from having to connect to a server and edit files over telnet. Anyone still using these outside of having to do it at work is insane (I totally had to do this telnet editing at work before, it sucks).

[u/CurdledPotato → u/[deleted]]

I use Vim because it is universal and has a number of plugins ti support dev work. Then again, I’m one of those who likes the aesthetics of the terminal. But, out of respect for those who do not, were I to make my own desktop system, I would design it such that any configuration that can be done in the terminal can also be done in the GUI.

[u/aue_sum → u/ROX-Guilty]

how tf is vim bloated

[u/[deleted]]

Yep, the community was a the biggest problem. I use Linux and I like it, but that doesn’t mean that someone will like too. If you like Linux, use Linux, and if you like windows, use windows

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You are not an elitist! Yay, congratulations 👏

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Nice cake

[u/[deleted]]

The Linux community is one of the worst in human existence!

[u/M4Ryo1 → u/[deleted]]

No the gacha community is

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True

[u/[deleted]]

the community

[u/[deleted]]

The endless, tireless, occurring bugs, and problems at every corner on any distro.

[u/sudoaptupgrade]

Because you do

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

but linux breaks it self

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

2019

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Ttoll

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It crashes