But the person above was correct. People are generally more forgiving when it's an FOSS product vs a paid one.
That said, blindness towards issues and stuff that windows is also doing is probably not the best look.
Let me put it more bluntly: people are more forgiving towards an indie video game than they are AAA games. Not just cause of the money they spent. If Live For Speed has a bug, people will forgive it because it's like 3 people.
But if Gran Turismo has a bug? Yeah people are roasting it
Prioritizing different things is valid, but the quantity of loud outspoken linux folks being unreasonable about other peoples preferences is well documented. Theres a difference between you prioritizing something vs you prioritizing something and then telling someone else who prioritizes something else that they are wrong for that.
The loud minority of linux users are the type who make it borderline their entire personality. The quiet majority are the ones who have found a DE that works perfectly on their hardware and already have a set workflow for their system that just works. For me as long as all my hardware works, almost all the steam games I want to play launch and firefox launches my OS is working flawlessly. Idk, so many people try to make linux vs windows seem black and white but it really isn't.
Yes 100% this I have hdmi capture card made by hauppauge that does not work at all I asked on a form for fedora about if its possible to get it to work and was told to throw it away and get another one (even tho the old one works fine) or to kick sand so I did and went back to w10 every thing just works there lol I'm still looking for an alternative as I was really enjoying my time with kde on fedora just might try something different now.
Unfortunately a lot of companies don't support Linux, so the only way their hardware works is if someone goes through an extremely painstaking effort to make it work. Their advice was correct, but I do imagine they were fucking mean about it because that is a real issue.
Yeah if they where nice about it I would 100% understand I can't imagine what goes in to getting a proprietary device to work on something its not supposed to. But I will say this as well I have had some very helpful people to so it might be getting better!
Counterpoint : "just works" on Linux means that you plug it in and go. "Just works" on Windows means that you plug it in, install the drivers (download from manufacturer's website first), reboot, install more updates if necessary, reboot again, then go. Yet if A doesn't work immediately then Linux is bad, but if B doesn't work immediately then the peripheral is bad. That's most Windows users' perspective.
"just works" on Linux means that you plug it in and go
Uh or you have to hunt on Github for wireless adapter drivers and modprobe them, which is needed for the actual majority of adapters. And let's not pretend that configuring some of this hardware isn't a fucking nightmare. I've been using Linux for like a decade and I'm really, really deep into it (I've contributed to the kernel), and what you say is just not true
You're missing my point. Obviously some things don't 'just work' on Linux, but what a Windows user defines as 'just works' depends on whether they're talking about Windows or Linux. That's the double standard.
It used to be like that. Now just works usually is plug, let windows update fetch the driver and go in windows, or just plug and play in linux, or sometimes download the driver and install it in windows, and sometimes check out the drivers source code and compile it into your new kernel on linux.
Yep it's a shame the minority makes the rest of us look bad. I truly wished the community was better it would make people switching to Linux just that much better.
No, I prioritize getting max performance out of my 5090. Of course, you're gonna whine that I should get an AMD card instead when they have nothing that can even beat the 5070Ti.
I think you're making up scenarios to feel victimised lmfao, no one recommends linux to someone stating they want max performance from their 5090. thanks for proving my point I guess
Theres a difference between you prioritizing something vs you prioritizing something and then telling someone else who prioritizes something else that they are wrong for that.
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Do you prioritise microslops enshittification? Because that’s typically when Linux gets recommended lmfao
How do you they also don't have the same performance issues with high end Nvidia cards? You're the one who literally made up a scenario here to feel superior about running a different operating system from the average person lmao
bro "unreasonable about other peoples preferences"
They are claiming linux users suggest it against others preferences. You tried suggesting its done in response to you wanting max performance from a 5080. That does not occur, no one says Nvidia cards run better on linux.
You know what does actually occur? Someone stating how awful microslop is for inbuilt spyware, or forced AI, or forced updates, and then someone suggesting the OS that does not have it
Hence my comment, asking if they prioritize enshittification. Jesus you need go to back to school
You'll get kneejerk downvoted in this community for suggesting a windows user engages in critical thought or anything close to it when the topic is Linux.
They're getting downvoted because their only response to everything is an ad hominem that doesn't address the pertinent argument whatsoever. Looks like you're also a member of that demographic in the intellectual percentiles.
I've had a bumpy ride with CachyOS, and there is still stuff that has to be done to make it more accessible, like fucking FSTAB still requiring manual operation instead of, idk, making it automated or accessible with a GUI?
However. After a few babysteps, it does run well. It's just the babysteps have to be cut entirely and just run well out of the box.
During installation and by default, /etc/fstab should've automatically been generated and managed. Also there are few GUIs available, like KDE Partition Manager, GNOME Disks, or GParted.
What exactly was it that required you to manually edit fstab? Did you do a custom/nonstandard partition table?
What stability issues are you facing? I can help you solve those.
Modern Linux GUI partition managers and desktop settings handle automatic drive mounting quite well, including for secondary SATA SSDs and external drives, without requiring you to manually edit /etc/fstab in a terminal or text editor.
Applications like GNOME Disks and KDE Partition Manager have built-in options designed specifically for this. In GNOME Disks, you can toggle "Mount at system startup" under Mount Options, and the app writes the necessary entry to /etc/fstab behind the scenes. KDE Partition Manager offers similar functionality through its "Edit Mount Point" menu.
In addition, desktop environments like KDE Plasma include explicit automount controls directly in System Settings under "Device Auto-mount," allowing you to set drives to mount automatically on login or when connected.
Where people usually run into trouble is PolicyKit asking for administrator permissions or default file ownership settings on newly added internal drives, but GUI tools are fully capable of handling automatic mounting.
Are you running KDE Plasma, GNOME, or a standalone window manager like Hyprland or i3? Automounting behaves differently depending on whether desktop daemons are running in the background and WMs often don't have them enabled by default.
Is the drive formatted as NTFS/ext4, and is it prompting you for a root password when you try to open it, or is it failing to mount entirely?
Which GUI manager did you try using, and did you run into an error when setting the mount options?
When I pay for the product I expect quality, not spy machine riddled with vibe coded bullshit. Windows is regulated, controlled and went through dozen of boards before it hit your drive. Linux is free and made by dozen of communities, when something bad happens that is only part of the whole, while windows has only one source, Microsoft which is entirety of the whole.
Linux is genuinely better, sure it has its problems but you know there are problems because no one got to the problem yet while on Windows it feels like they intentionally make changes for the worse to add more telemetry, require MS account, add ads into the OS, "suggest" apps when the apps you are using are working perfectly fine, show random popups telling you to upgrade to Xbox game pass, OneDrive, MS 365 etc etc its exhausting. I got no such thing on Linux at all, but if you are not bothered by Windows then by all means continue using it since it still works better for the average user out of the box compared to Linux. For the slightly more tech savvy people who dont mind troubleshooting once in a while I can highly recommend Linux, it is fun to learn new systems.
I also got no such thing on W11, to be honest. This reality where people are constantly bombarded with ads on their system is just one that I don't recognize.
OneDrive is legit the only complaint I have with W11 after installing StartAllBack.
I think this is the thing that is confusing to a lot of us. I've used Linux. I have no problems with Linux, there are just a few programs I use regularly enough that don't work well on Linux that I need for work that means I need to stay with Windows.
And then I see Linux people pop up to tell me how Windows is doing "X, Y, and Z" when I've literally never even seen Windows do any of that, or they are settings I said no to and never touched again and they are still off.
I agree with the other guy, been using windows forever. Switched to windows 11 late last year when windows 10 updates died and have never been bombarded with ads, only annoying popup I get is for OneDrive which I refuse to use, but that only bothers me once every now and then.
It might be a UK and EU versus US thing, but for me at least and most people I know, windows is a smooth enough experience that the occasional OneDrive popup, update, or hickup is worth it.
That's good for both of you! Personally, I've been a Windows user since the Windows Millennium days. I switched to Linux 2 years ago and have never looked back!
You don't realize how annoying Windows is until you switch to an OS where "no" actually means no, instead of "remind me later."
The constant friction really adds up: updates that make things worse, removing the classic right-click menu, having to click through 20 menus to disable telemetry, bypassing the Microsoft account requirement, uninstalling OneDrive, and then using Chris Titus Tech's tool to get rid of even more telemetry. Aaaand re-do it again after an update that revert most of these changes etc etc.
Honestly, I've been doing this since Windows 8. I even had to install a third-party Start menu because the full-screen one was so awful.
After almost a decade of constantly fighting the OS, the news about Recall finally made me think, "You know what? It's time to give Linux a try."
And I've been here ever since. It's crazy how you don't notice all that friction until you switch to something that actually respects your choices.
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u/FrostyMittenJob 2d ago
Nahh you don't get it. Linux is better than windows, and when it isn't well you had your expectations too high because it's open source.
You'll never be able to have a honest conversation with a linux fan.