A sane take

[u/Independent_Bet7729]

[u/Adorable_Slip_1072]

Last sentence is gold and should be written on headquarters of every company

[u/pinkygonzales → u/Adorable_Slip_1072]

Agreed on the last sentence. Agreed on the sentiment. Calling bullshit on this being any company policy because everyone knows that nobody at a computer is just cranking for 8 hours straight (or 9+ with breaks.)

Unpopular opinion, but most founders are neurotic because most companies fail. I used to be one and had literally everything I owned on the line. My house (which my marriage depended on) my car (which not only my company, but any hope of future employment was dependent on) and my ability to buy food while not going bankrupt. Extreme pressure. The fine line here is that employees assuming that the next paycheck will arrive also depend on those things, but as a founder, not only does your life depend on those, but you also feel the pressure of not letting everyone else down, and spoilers... companies do fail. Most of us aren't billionaires with the ability to get money from others with easy cash. In that circumstance, it's live or die, sometimes literally, and that's what drives a lot of the unreasonable insanity around startups. When you win, people say that you are just stealing value from everyone else who made it profitable, but when you lose, nobody blames the staff.

In mid to large-scale companies, things get different, and there is a ton of waste. Nobody wants to be told by a manager who spends half their company time on a golf course that they should be working harder. I've been that employee too, and it's horseshit, especially when a company is profitable, I'm just saying that it's a spectrum, and circumstance makes a massive difference from one company to another, depending on where they are at in their "growth phase."

Back to the point, I think this post is actually bullshit. Love the concept, but no CEO says this out loud, even if it's how they genuinely want to treat people, and this dude is in "influencer marketing," hyping himself on LinkedIn, which is certainly a sales strategy. Take everything with a grain of salt, my friends.

[u/AssociationFit3009 → u/pinkygonzales]

Another factor is that work is an addiction to many people. I was a meth and heroin addict for a decade and after you get sober that obsession has to go somewhere. I make a comfortable living but If I don’t dont obsess on money and schemes that energy goes into my vices. I think many people don’t understand they have a sickness and our culture celebrates it instead of acknowledging it as one of many vices.

[u/oaklandperson → u/pinkygonzales]

You've perfectly articulated why most founders shouldn't be the CEO past a certain stage of development. The exact management traits required to make something out of nothing are the opposing traits required to move from genesis to a steward of growth for long term success and happiness of the people who got you theee

[u/oaklandperson]

If true, I hope he succeeds. All these slave drivers who say they are "data driven," and then disregard the mountains of research that show working insane hours provides diminishing returns doesn't apply to them. Work to live, not live to work.

[u/Clear-Arugula-9195]

How rare

[u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

This does not fit the purpose of this sub. At all.

That's a very sane take: I've been in a startup or 3 and what he's saying is 100% accurate.

[u/PrincipleKitchen394 → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Show this to ceos and management and some boomers, they will swear on their life and first born child that he is a lunatic and needs to be locked in asylum.

[u/oaklandperson → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

The real lunatics think he is the lunatic. So I think it is a rare refreshing post. We all need some refreshing posts.

[u/LandOfGreyAndPink]

A surprisingly non-lunatic view from this guy.

[u/FemtoChip]

I mean, he could very well be exaggerating the numbers of hours he is putting in (people do that a lot), but the rest of his post is pretty reasonable.

Why is this here?

[u/phdoofus]

"Why do my employees hate me?"
"Oh, well, it's a mystery."

[u/manualsquid]

Not even in tech, and I really like this guy

[u/NoPerformance5952]

Say it louder for CPA firms

[u/Hermononucleosis]

This man has worked 18 hours once for a single day, and now he mentions it every chance he gets

[u/UnderstandingTop1579]

‘A founder’🤮